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Opinion on PCT

TheDarkHalf

TheDarkHalf

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Here's my cycle:

Epi 20/30/30/40/40/40
11-oxo 0/0/0/0/450/450/450/450

PCT:
Activate Xtreme
Powerfull
Lean Xtreme (week 2)
PCS

I know there is no SERM in here - don't feel comfortable ordering one to my residence so don't hang me for that decision. Would appreciate thoughts and comments on what I have listed. I think that the above PCT has my bases covered....but I also could have thought wrong and want opinions. Thanks.
 
First u want to run epi for 6 wks without a serm or AI... I guess PCS has rev in it but that's not good enough. You have said nothing about support supplements on cycle. Why ate u against a serm? You are using an steroid... Don't u want to fully recover and not end up with boobs? And 20mg epi is worthless kinda a wasted wk.
Go 30/30/30-40/40/40 if u want to go over 4 wks with it. What have u run before?
 
Liftingstud said:
First u want to run epi for 6 wks without a serm or AI... I guess PCS has rev in it but that's not good enough. You have said nothing about support supplements on cycle. Why ate u against a serm? You are using an steroid... Don't u want to fully recover and not end up with boobs? And 20mg epi is worthless kinda a wasted wk.
Go 30/30/30-40/40/40 if u want to go over 4 wks with it. What have u run before?
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I definitely have support supps - CEL Cycle Assist, B-Complex, Taurine for both during cycle and PCT.

I just don't like the idea of obtaining something illegally and have it delivered to my house.

First cycle, epi seemed to be the best choice. Great results and little to no sides from what i've been reading.

Was also thinking of picking up some Reversitol and running it like this with the PCS.....

Reversitol 3/2/2/1

PCS 0/0/4/4/4/4

I'd start the Lean Xtreme in Week 2

Not sure when I'd start the Activate Xtreme and Powerfull, probably when the reversitol is done.
 
Serm are not illegal if you are using them for research purpose. I know say u can get away with out them but I have heard of a few people that run onto problems with epi... I am speaking of gyno, well puffy nipps with slight irritation and the serm helped them out. It's your health your dealing with and always smart to have a serm onhand even if u don't use it.
 
texastweeter said:
Serm not really illegal, just buy the right stuff and be done with it.
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Liftingstud said:
Serm are not illegal if you are using them for research purpose. I know say u can get away with out them but I have heard of a few people that run onto problems with epi... I am speaking of gyno, well puffy nipps with slight irritation and the serm helped them out. It's your health your dealing with and always smart to have a serm onhand even if u don't use it.
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That's great and all, but still doesn't answer my original question. Either way this is what i'm going with for PCT -

Reversitol 3/2/2/1
PCS 0/0/4/4/4/4
Start Lean Xtreme with PCS
Start Powerfull and Activate Xtreme after Reversitol

If I do start to see any flare up, i'll start with 200mg motrin 3x per day. If that doesn't help, then i'll expedite some toremifene.
 
Bro' 6 wks Epi is going to shut you down badly. I saw people including myself being shut down after only 4 wks.

D!ck don't work = no good! :-)

My advice would be: "Use a serm and don't take any chances"

~abuleh
 
I agree 6 wks of epi is a lot esp if I go without a serm and running at 40mg for half the cycle. I would start at 30 and see how u respond. Being ur first cycle u should grow like a weed and may nit need 40 or just the last wk. Do as u wish with the serm just understand u have been warned to keep one on hand always.
 
abuleh said:
Bro' 6 wks Epi is going to shut you down badly. I saw people including myself being shut down after only 4 wks.

D!ck don't work = no good! :-)

My advice would be: "Use a serm and don't take any chances"

~abuleh
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Liftingstud said:
I agree 6 wks of epi is a lot esp if I go without a serm and running at 40mg for half the cycle. I would start at 30 and see how u respond. Being ur first cycle u should grow like a weed and may nit need 40 or just the last wk. Do as u wish with the serm just understand u have been warned to keep one on hand always.
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Again, still not addressing my original question. Maybe I should have titled the thread Opinion on OTC PTC.

Everything you've said thus far are things I already know as I stated in the original post. Not that I don't appreciate your kind words - I understand you're just looking out for me....but these are things I've already read about. I've done my homework and made the decision to not use a SERM. You don't have to like that decision - but it's the one I've made.

Will someone that has OTC PCT experience after an Epi cycle please comment on what I have above?
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Again, still not addressing my original question. Maybe I should have titled the thread Opinion on OTC PTC.

Everything you've said thus far are things I already know as I stated in the original post. Not that I don't appreciate your kind words - I understand you're just looking out for me....but these are things I've already read about. I've done my homework and made the decision to not use a SERM. You don't have to like that decision - but it's the one I've made.

Will someone that has OTC PCT experience after an Epi cycle please comment on what I have above?
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Well I would add in DTH, I always add that in my PCT and some DHEA would be good for the first 2 weeks.

I really hate that you are not using a SERM. i did HAVOC for 8 weeks and I think i went 2 weeks without popping a woody.....and I am married. Nolvadex is not illegal and I get the notion you may live with your folks, hence why you do not want it delivered? I am just guessing and could be totally off. You have no idea how badly you need that serm, with the serm you should keep a majority of your gains. Without it ...well you know where I am going with this. Your test levels are going to crash and it will take you forever to recover.

If your hang up is the delivery method get a PO Box or some external mail service or have it mailed to a buddy. How did you get the EPI? I would think it would be the same hang up. The Feds are not going to look for you because of a single order of Nolvadex/Clomid. I know you don't want to hear it but this will hurt you, trust me I know from experience.
 
ALJD0812 said:
Well I would add in DTH, I always add that in my PCT and some DHEA would be good for the first 2 weeks.

I really hate that you are not using a SERM. i did HAVOC for 8 weeks and I think i went 2 weeks without popping a woody.....and I am married. Nolvadex is not illegal and I get the notion you may live with your folks, hence why you do not want it delivered? I am just guessing and could be totally off. You have no idea how badly you need that serm, with the serm you should keep a majority of your gains. Without it ...well you know where I am going with this. Your test levels are going to crash and it will take you forever to recover.

If your hang up is the delivery method get a PO Box or some external mail service or have it mailed to a buddy. How did you get the EPI? I would think it would be the same hang up. The Feds are not going to look for you because of a single order of Nolvadex/Clomid. I know you don't want to hear it but this will hurt you, trust me I know from experience.
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Well you guessed incorrectly. Have my own apt and financially independent. If I was to get any kind of SERM, i'd get Toremifene. I may in fact end up buying one after all, just to have on hand just in case as epi is a mild compound and may or may not need a SERM. Still have plenty of time to get one. Also looking ahead, after being about a week and a half into PCT i'll be flying somewhere for a week - so i'd be without a SERM as i'm not flying with that **** and will have to go OTC anyways. I appreciate your words, I know everyone is just looking out for my best interests.

But can anyone on here read? I'm not asking for a lesson on what could happen when not using a SERM. I am well aware. I want to know how my OTC PCT for an epi cycle looks.
 
Dude, the reason you're not getting the answer you're looking for is that nobody would recommend you otc pct for a cycle like this and nobody wants to take the blame when you f*ck up your endocrine sytem.

But if there were no serms I would recommend you to use:

4wks
PCS 2x2 ed spread out
Cycle support 1x ed
I3C 200mg 3x ed

wk 5-8
something like 6-oxo (or other good AI) tappered down 4-2 ed 1 eod
Activate Extreme 2x2 ed

Most of it can be read at otcpct.com

I have not used this PCT myself but this is what I would use if serms disappeared from planet motherf*cking earth.

Anyway- Good luck

~abuleh
 
i have an otc pct experience with a six week epi run and my **** wasnt 100 percent function for about 6 months, so have fun with that cuz i sure as hell didnt
 
Serm's are great, and work wonders in post cycle, but its not the end of the world like everyone is making it seem. Your pct looks decent, but I would personally drop the powerfull, and run sustain alpha(works wonders for post cycle libido), and a bottle of DTHC. If you have the money for all of it even better but I would really try and incorporate those two supps. And if you take six months to recover from 6 weeks of epi, then you did something wrong or you have some girlie ass nuts.
 
james1 said:
Serm's are great, and work wonders in post cycle, but its not the end of the world like everyone is making it seem. Your pct looks decent, but I would personally drop the powerfull, and run sustain alpha(works wonders for post cycle libido), and a bottle of DTHC. If you have the money for all of it even better but I would really try and incorporate those two supps. And if you take six months to recover from 6 weeks of epi, then you did something wrong or you have some girlie ass nuts.
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Thanks james. I've talked to a few others that think the same thing and also feel that the few weeks that I am on 11-oxo will be benefical for recovery as well and that I would be fine without PCT. But I may get some toremifene just to have on hand incase any sides pop up during PCT.

Can't really drop the powerfull as I already have it. I already have the reversitol so I can't see myself picking up sus alpha either. But I do appreciate the good looks and will probably give those two products a shot later on down the road as I wouldn't be doing another cycle for about 4-6 months after this one.
 
yea thats what I mean you can recover from this cycle without a pct, would suck, but you would recover. Yea didn't know you were running reversitol as well. You will be fine man, and getting the tore is a smart idea. Im running x-tren/ havoc for 6 weeks at 120mg/50mg, and will be running an otc pct, but like you said will have a serm on hand, in my case clomid. The only thing with the otc pct's is I get bloodwork every two weeks, so I know what kind of artillery is appropriate lol. No sweats man you will be fine goodluck
 
as stated in the other thread.....i think the 11-oxo bridge will greatly benefit recovery....that stuff is very mild....but you will really have to listen to your body when it comes down to deciding wheter or not to use the torem....i remember when we set this up you wanted a mild first cycle and that is exactly what this is....will you need the serm for sure? who knows....now i know you really dont want to use it...but listen to your body...if your shut down at the end of the 11-oxo run then its time to use the torem
 
james1 said:
yea thats what I mean you can recover from this cycle without a pct, would suck, but you would recover. Yea didn't know you were running reversitol as well. You will be fine man, and getting the tore is a smart idea. Im running x-tren/ havoc for 6 weeks at 120mg/50mg, and will be running an otc pct, but like you said will have a serm on hand, in my case clomid. The only thing with the otc pct's is I get bloodwork every two weeks, so I know what kind of artillery is appropriate lol. No sweats man you will be fine goodluck
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mooch2321 said:
as stated in the other thread.....i think the 11-oxo bridge will greatly benefit recovery....that stuff is very mild....but you will really have to listen to your body when it comes down to deciding wheter or not to use the torem....i remember when we set this up you wanted a mild first cycle and that is exactly what this is....will you need the serm for sure? who knows....now i know you really dont want to use it...but listen to your body...if your shut down at the end of the 11-oxo run then its time to use the torem
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Thanks guys. I appreciate all the advice. I will most likely pick up the toremifene and have it on hand, but will use it only if necessary. I will be logging this bridge, hope you guys will follow along!
 
11-oxo is more of a cortisol control/reducer....6-oxo is the anit-E.

The only time I've seen epi run with an OTC PCT or even no PCT was when it was pulsed. I think the pulse was like 40mgs MWF for two weeks then off for two weeks. It was a twelve week cycle, and bloodwork came back normal. If you are running a straight 6 week cycle, I have yet to see anyone who would say, "naw don't worry about the serm"
 
it seems you just want to hear its all ok.. people here arent goin to tell you that. As for having plenty of time to get a SERM, I have learned the hard way that you should have a pct lined up before you start the cycle because s**t happen with life and shipping. So that said good luck bro I hope it all works out for you.
 
ktatro1 said:
11-oxo is more of a cortisol control/reducer....6-oxo is the anit-E.

The only time I've seen epi run with an OTC PCT or even no PCT was when it was pulsed. I think the pulse was like 40mgs MWF for two weeks then off for two weeks. It was a twelve week cycle, and bloodwork came back normal. If you are running a straight 6 week cycle, I have yet to see anyone who would say, "naw don't worry about the serm"
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I am running havoc at 40mgs for 3 straight weeks, then 50mgs for the next 3 weeks. I am also running the x-tren at 90mg for 2 weeks,120mg for 1 week, and 150mg for 1 week. After this cycle I am going to run an otc pct and will post the bloodwork 2 weeks after pct is finished.
 
james1 said:
I am running havoc at 40mgs for 3 straight weeks, then 50mgs for the next 3 weeks. I am also running the x-tren at 90mg for 2 weeks,120mg for 1 week, and 150mg for 1 week. After this cycle I am going to run an otc pct and will post the bloodwork 2 weeks after pct is finished.
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Cool man post it up on this thread i'd like to see the results.
 
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