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First H-drol cycle - Please review!

sciatic nerve

You freaking hit the nail on the head!

This feels different from previous times I experienced sciatica because those times the pain shot down my leg, which is not happening this time. But I did some online research about sciatica and based on my symptoms I'm pretty that's what's going on.

Today or tomorrow I'm going to hit the gym and see what I can do without causing discomfort. Even if I have to go light I'd rather get some sets in as long as I can do it without causing irritation.

I have another appointment with the chiropractor on Monday so that will hopefully help too.
 
You freaking hit the nail on the head!

This feels different from previous times I experienced sciatica because those times the pain shot down my leg, which is not happening this time. But I did some online research about sciatica and based on my symptoms I'm pretty that's what's going on.

Today or tomorrow I'm going to hit the gym and see what I can do without causing discomfort. Even if I have to go light I'd rather get some sets in as long as I can do it without causing irritation.

I have another appointment with the chiropractor on Monday so that will hopefully help too.

I do physical therapy on patients every single day that have these problems, they get a lot of Muscle Stimulation and High Volts. *edit* ask for that at the chiropractors office - most chiropractors do.... at least the good ones (like where I work)

It will take a long time to heal regardless of what you do, I would stay away from Squats and Deadlifts especially - everything else should be ok, as long as you don't push it.

Biofreeze before workouts - After workouts ICE ICE ICE

Good luck
 
I do physical therapy on patients every single day that have these problems, they get a lot of Muscle Stimulation and High Volts. *edit* ask for that at the chiropractors office - most chiropractors do.... at least the good ones (like where I work)

It will take a long time to heal regardless of what you do, I would stay away from Squats and Deadlifts especially - everything else should be ok, as long as you don't push it.

Biofreeze before workouts - After workouts ICE ICE ICE

Good luck

I don't know what High Volts is, but at my first session I did get muscle stimulation.

Never heard of Biofreeze but walgreens.com says they have it in stock a few blocks away so I'll pick some up today.

The chiropractor gave me transdermal ibuprofen gel. I wasn't sure if it was any good but I read up on it and lots of studies show the gel works as well oral ibuprofen. I've been using the gel and taking orals too, don't know if that's OK to do.

Is it OK to run with sciatica or should I stick to the eliptical? What about cable rows or lunges? Last time I tried them it felt like it was a bad idea.

Thanks, bro. I feel a lot better knowing what the heck is going on.
 
High volt is a mix between muscle stim and an ultrasound, gets really deep into your tissue and helps break up inflamation, and heal cells faster, plus will take away a lot of the stiffness/soreness that comes with sciatica.

Im not so sure you should really do much running - im sure a DR would advise you not to do anything.... BUT, if you take care of yourself and stretch, don't push it, you should be fine with JUST lifting, I wouldn't do much cardio, if any at all.

That transdermal Ibuprofen is alright, works just as well as regular but doesn't hurt your stomach, or kidneys and what not.... would be ok to use IMO for swelling....
 
So now that the pain has subsided a bit I don't think it's my back I hurt after all. The pain is down a lot and now it's mainly localized on my upper glut, just below my back. For the first few days I think the pain was so bad that it radiated from my glut to my lower back so I thought I tweaked my back.

Either that or I did actually hurt my back and now the back pain is gone but my glut (on the same side) is sore from walking funny to ease the back pain. But I very much doubt that.

If the pain keeps going down I may try to squeeze a workout or two in before I leave for my vacation!

This is not good my friend. . . Sounds to me like you have the same injury that a have a HERNIATED Disc! I would go to a Physician immediately before it gets worse, I made the mistake of waiting to long to do anything about it. By the time I got it checked out and stopped lifting I could barely walk. DO NOT stop lifting completely though as the bloodflow is highly beneficial you just need to be careful in your exercise choices. Just avoid any excercise that will compress the spine, anything seated, overhead, any bending over, or heavy compound movements. DO NOT do situps either , abs become limited to planks and Hanging knee raises.ALSO, DO NOT RUN. Look into the Mckenzie stretches for some good relief though. If you have any questions feel free to ask
 
Don't go to a physician... IF you have that herniated disc you will need some decompression therapy. You can get that at your chiropractor - i recommend it, depending on where you live though it could be really expensive, we charge $40 a time at our office, but in Like LA where I believe you live its like $300
 
This is not good my friend. . . Sounds to me like you have the same injury that a have a HERNIATED Disc! I would go to a Physician immediately before it gets worse, I made the mistake of waiting to long to do anything about it. By the time I got it checked out and stopped lifting I could barely walk. DO NOT stop lifting completely though as the bloodflow is highly beneficial you just need to be careful in your exercise choices. Just avoid any excercise that will compress the spine, anything seated, overhead, any bending over, or heavy compound movements. DO NOT do situps either , abs become limited to planks and Hanging knee raises.ALSO, DO NOT RUN. Look into the Mckenzie stretches for some good relief though. If you have any questions feel free to ask
I very much appreciate the warning but the pain is waaay down already. I've gotten some workouts in without too much trouble (being careful not to do things that will aggravate things).

I am getting better, not getting worse so I don't think I'm going to digress to a point where I can barely walk. Anyhow, I trust that a chiropractor will be able to diagnose a herniated disc; I have another appointment on Monday and we'll see what he says. If I've got something serious like a herniated disc I will go see a real doctor (I don't know why chiropractors call themselves doctors because they have neither MDs nor PhDs.) but I've had sciatica before and I'm fairly confident that's what I've got here.

Don't go to a physician... IF you have that herniated disc you will need some decompression therapy. You can get that at your chiropractor - i recommend it, depending on where you live though it could be really expensive, we charge $40 a time at our office, but in Like LA where I believe you live its like $300
I am in L.A. where everything costs a fortune. I had one chiropractor quote me over $300/hr. I gasped and hung up the phone.
 
LAGear,

Just joined this forum and am thinking of doing an EPI cycle. I have found this thread incredibly helpful - thanks so much! I don't have any experience with EPI or a PCT and, like you I do a lot of research before taking action. After reading through this and a few other threads were you discuss your cycle/PCT, it seems you made some on-the-fly adjustments in terms of products, dosing and start/finish dates. Any chance you could give us a step-by-step run-down of all products you took, and provide a week-by-week play-by-play of what you took, how much you took, when you started/stopped a product - from the very beginning of your cycle through the end of your PCT? Based on the very methodical way you approached it, I (and probably a lot of others) would find extreme value in a post with all this data in one spot.
 
Was wondering about Torem and Tamox (prefer Torem). I went to ar-r.com and see they sell Tamox but in a form that must be injected. Don’t want to do injections. Anyone know where to get Torem (or Tamox) without a prescription in a form that doesn’t have to be injected? Again, prefer Torem, as it seems to be easier of the liver, etc. - unless this is not true?

By the way, what are people’s thoughts on Novedex XT in lieu of Torem or Tamox? Please don’t use acronyms, I don’t know what all of them stand for.

Thanks.
 
Hugo- no asking for sources in here bro. And Novedex XT is junk. A quick google search for "research chems" or even "SERMs" can turn up all of your needs for a SERM.
 
LAGear,

Just joined this forum and am thinking of doing an EPI cycle. I have found this thread incredibly helpful - thanks so much! I don't have any experience with EPI or a PCT and, like you I do a lot of research before taking action. After reading through this and a few other threads were you discuss your cycle/PCT, it seems you made some on-the-fly adjustments in terms of products, dosing and start/finish dates. Any chance you could give us a step-by-step run-down of all products you took, and provide a week-by-week play-by-play of what you took, how much you took, when you started/stopped a product - from the very beginning of your cycle through the end of your PCT? Based on the very methodical way you approached it, I (and probably a lot of others) would find extreme value in a post with all this data in one spot.

Thanks bro, glad I could help out.

As I changed things up I actually kept the info in the first post updated with the changes. I just went back to clarify a few things (and delete I3C which I didn't use). But what you see in the first post is exactly what I took, when I took it and how much I took.

If you still have any questions feel free to ask away, I'm happy to help with whatever info I can provide.
 
I very much appreciate the warning but the pain is waaay down already. I've gotten some workouts in without too much trouble (being careful not to do things that will aggravate things).

I am getting better, not getting worse so I don't think I'm going to digress to a point where I can barely walk. Anyhow, I trust that a chiropractor will be able to diagnose a herniated disc; I have another appointment on Monday and we'll see what he says. If I've got something serious like a herniated disc I will go see a real doctor (I don't know why chiropractors call themselves doctors because they have neither MDs nor PhDs.) but I've had sciatica before and I'm fairly confident that's what I've got here.


I am in L.A. where everything costs a fortune. I had one chiropractor quote me over $300/hr. I gasped and hung up the phone.

Just be really careful man. . . Having a High grade Herniated Disc is not something I would wish on someone who is passionate about Bodybuilding. It took 1 year off my life essentially, didnt lift, didnt really go out, couldnt drive.( Not fun being 21 years old and havign a hernaited disc) JUst make sure you take it really easy because while your at the gym you will feel no pain as endorphins are high and you have great circulation resulting in no Pain. I tried 2 different chiropractors the didnt even properly diagnose me because you cant see a herniated disc in an x-ray! I went to and Osteopath got an MRI, Got an epidural, and Did 4months of Pt!( I did this 2 times)Still not 100%. IF you have insurance get it checked out Asap
 
kdpboa - okay, thanks for the advice. Apologies, I didn't know not to ask. I mean, the stuff can be bought on-line and legally, so didn't think asking posed a problem.

Obviously, my real concern is I don't want to end up being a statistic. I found vendors in China and Mexico, but don't know if they are to be trusted. Recently read in MD that a lot of these sources sell bogus or contaminated products. Would it be okay to ask about sources I should definitely stear clear of?
 
LAGear - if you suspect a herniated disc, my strong recommendation is to go see your real doctor and DO NOT allow a chiropractor to adjust the area. Have your PCP send you to an orthopedic surgeon who can prescribe an MRI (an X-ray will not identify a soft tissue injury like this). If the MRI confirms the injury, your orthopedic surgeon will likely recommend either: (a) physical therapy and/or meds; or (b) a fusion procedure (whereby, they remove the blown disc and fuse the vertebrae above and below). My advice would be not to go down the surgery path unless the meds don't help and the pain is persistent and chronic (like every day chronic) and extreme. The surgery simply stresses the discs above/below the fused area and this undue and unnatural stress on these discs often leads to their herniation as well. I wish you the best...
 
I'm not really worried I have a herniated disc.

Given the symptoms that just seems crazy. The pain is down and today I had a pretty robust workout. Not pushing my luck with exercises that might aggravate the injury but today I did heavy close grip lat pulldowns, hammer curls, arnolds, hanging leg raises and DB check presses. Back was pretty much trouble free throughout. I tried to do some wide grip lat pulldowns and I could tell that was going to give me some trouble so I skipped them.

Tomorrow I leave for my vacation and we'll see how that goes. The hotel actually has a decent gym and it's open 24 hours so I should be able to do enough to maintain. But I've got so many freaking pills packed it's like I've got a drugstore. And I have to keep them in my carry-on because I can't risk my PCT getting lost in baggage so I hope I don't get too much questioning about it in security.

I took some new pics today which is Day 14 of PCT. I'll post them if I get a chance before I leave.
 
LAGear,

Just joined this forum and am thinking of doing an EPI cycle. I have found this thread incredibly helpful - thanks so much! I don't have any experience with EPI or a PCT and, like you I do a lot of research before taking action. After reading through this and a few other threads were you discuss your cycle/PCT, it seems you made some on-the-fly adjustments in terms of products, dosing and start/finish dates. Any chance you could give us a step-by-step run-down of all products you took, and provide a week-by-week play-by-play of what you took, how much you took, when you started/stopped a product - from the very beginning of your cycle through the end of your PCT? Based on the very methodical way you approached it, I (and probably a lot of others) would find extreme value in a post with all this data in one spot.

Thanks bro, glad I could help out.

As I changed things up I actually kept the info in the first post updated with the changes. I just went back to clarify a few things (and delete I3C which I didn't use). But what you see in the first post is exactly what I took, when I took it and how much I took.

If you still have any questions feel free to ask away, I'm happy to help with whatever info I can provide.

Crap. I just realized that the PCT I've got posted is way off. The Formex, a critical part of my PCT is not in there. And I think there's other inaccuracies. I'm on vacation so can't fix it now because I don't have a copy of the PCT I laid out with me here, but I'll update as soon as I get back.

I had a little SERM accident while on vacation which is what made me realize my listed PCT is incomplete. Here's what happened - Invalid Link Removed (I listed my PCT to the best of my recollection in that thread but it's not exact).
 
LAGear,

Hey just posted on your Formex thread. I read through the PCT on this thread like you advised earlier and got hooked. I was wondering what you thoughts were on the cycle thus far into PCT?

And I also suffered from a lower back injury. It fits your descriptions exactly! I took some time off from lifting and constantly heated and stretched. My lower back was back to normal in two weeks but the pain seemed to transfer to my left sciatic nerve. I don't know how, but it just transferred from my lower back to my left leg. It sucked I remember I couldn't do the simplest things like getting into the car or sitting on the sofa.

Hows your injury healing up? And is there any way to get rid of an aggravated sciatic nerve since you've had it before? My sciatic nerve pains seems to shoot down my leg from my hamstring to my cavs.
 
Sorry to take so long to reply I was on vacation and still trying to get caught up.

LAGear,

Hey just posted on your Formex thread. I read through the PCT on this thread like you advised earlier and got hooked. I was wondering what you thoughts were on the cycle thus far into PCT?

And I also suffered from a lower back injury. It fits your descriptions exactly! I took some time off from lifting and constantly heated and stretched. My lower back was back to normal in two weeks but the pain seemed to transfer to my left sciatic nerve. I don't know how, but it just transferred from my lower back to my left leg. It sucked I remember I couldn't do the simplest things like getting into the car or sitting on the sofa.

Hows your injury healing up? And is there any way to get rid of an aggravated sciatic nerve since you've had it before? My sciatic nerve pains seems to shoot down my leg from my hamstring to my cavs.

Today is Day 27 of PCT.

My thoughts about the cycle at this point are a bit mixed. Without accurate BF testing it's hard to know exactly what's going on. As I said before I suspect I gained a few pounds of muscle and lost a few pounds of fat during the cycle. So there was a mild recomp. But at this point I don't know how much I've retained. My weight has fluctuated quite a bit during PCT but overall it has been steadily dropping back down. I think it'll be another couple of weeks before I know where my weight will settle down. I'll post another weight chart when I've baselined.

As far as strength is concerned I don't feel like it shot through the roof during the cycle but it definitely went up. I do not feel like I've lost any strength during PCT so that's great.

I am happy to report that my back is nearly back to 100%. I've started doing some medium-distance runs without any trouble and did squats for the first time in a few weeks on Thursday. I did the same weight as during the cycle and had no pain but I got serious DOMS in my quads the next few days because of the layoff from leg work. I also did bent over BB rows which was the straw that broke the camel's back (no pun intended) without any discomfort. This weekend I went to the batting cages and went all out, I didn't even think about my back until about an hour later when I realized that my back wasn't bothering me. I still feel a little pinch when I bend over to touch my toes so I'm a bit reluctant to go all out with deads but I'm confident that it's just a matter of time before I'm totally pain free.

My experience with sciatic nerve aggravation is that it fully recovers with rest. I'm convinced both times I had it before were caused by sitting on my fat wallet. Both times I switched my wallet to the other back pocket and the the pain went away after some time (don't recall exactly how long). In hindsight I'm not so sure the pain I've been having is sciatica. I didn't get the shooting pain down my leg that I had before and the lingering pinch I feel in my lower back is different than I remember having with sciatica. But the pains I had in my upper glutes was just like the pain I had with sciatica. Who knows...

I definitely hit the wall in the last week of my cycle when I reported struggling to finish my workout. That same routine came up again last Thursday and I finished it with plenty of energy. In fact, I am feeling more energy and motivation than I have in weeks. The vacation probably helped with that; I lifted while away but was limited in what I could do in the hotel gym so my workouts weren't nearly as intense as they are at home. As of this week I'm also going back to my standard three workouts per week routine. Up until I left for vacation I was lifting 4-5 days a week -- usually five.

In general I've not experienced any of the lethargy or motivation issues during PCT that many others report. In fact, I probably feel better during PCT than I did during the cycle. I was really stressed out during the cycle because I pushed myself to the limit in every workout and put a lot of pressure on myself to keep diet perfectly clean. I'm still busting my ass but feel a lot more relaxed now.

The amount of time I spent researching and the amount of money I spent on all the supplements were not a good investment based on results. But they were a good investment based on the knowledge and experience I gained. I would not do another h-drol cut cycle though. If I do another cycle I might try PP's 1-T or try h-drol again with the goal of bulking. This first cycle has given me the confidence to try something a little stronger but I don't think I'll ever get into the hardcore stuff. I have a bottle of Havoc that I'm tempted to use but my research leads me to believe using epi is Russian Roulette. Some people do everything right and get horrible sides like gyno, while some people run minimal OTC PCT and come out fine. I'm not willing to take that chance. If anyone wants to make a trade for an unopened bottle of Havoc let me know.

I have two sets of PCT pictures to post but I haven't had time to pick out the best ones and resize them for AM. I'll try to get that done in the next day or two.

Any questions ask away!

LA-how are you dosing Formex? 50/50/25/25??

I finally have my PCT in the first post correctly reflecting my PCT. I ended up dosing my Formex with Torem this way:

Weeks 1-5 H-drol Cycle
Weeks 6-9 Torem 120 x 3, 90, 60 x 3 / 60 / 60x4, 30x3 / 30 - Split dose w/ higher dose at night
Weeks 6-9 Formex 25 EOD/25/50/50/25/25

I would not dose Formex this way without a SERM though. If I were to use Formex without a SERM I'd go 50/50/25/25 and possibly a fifth week 25 EOD if it doesn't require an additional bottle.
 
Im pretty sure my PCT is going to consist of Nolva, Formex, Retain, Creatine Mono, maybe Reversitol, maybe some little things, not sure on the dosages either, but I have time
 
I had a good workout today. Today's schedule had 2x25 of all sets and it was a perfect day to test out my back because I had deads, dynamic db lunges and weighted db step ups today. No back pain with any of those exercises, but of course at 25 rep sets I wasn't using a ton of weight. However, even with the back issues I had more strength than the last time I did this same workout somewhere around week four of my cycle.

I did reverse incline crunches at the end of my workout and that didn't go so well. I had to cut my second set short because I had some back pain. But I finished up with intervals on the eliptical and a short jog and had no back problems at all.

Based on the last few workouts my strength is up from the cycle which is great news. I didn't weigh myself on vacation but since I've been back my weight has been all over the map so I have no idea if I've maintained or not, the answer changes day by day.

Im pretty sure my PCT is going to consist of Nolva, Formex, Retain, Creatine Mono, maybe Reversitol, maybe some little things, not sure on the dosages either, but I have time

Formex or Reversitol but not both -- they're both AIs. You might consider a natty test booster too.
 
yea, thats why I said maybe lol...for a natty idk which one is best

DTHC and Blue Up seem to be the most popular. I used DTHC.

sorry to hear your still having back issues

Thanks but it's really a heck of a lot better. I was worried the pain would drag on for weeks because back injuries are notoriously slow to heal. I'd like to be 100% pain free but I'm quite pleased with the progress :)
 
I had a good workout today. Today's schedule had 2x25 of all sets and it was a perfect day to test out my back because I had deads, dynamic db lunges and weighted db step ups today. No back pain with any of those exercises, but of course at 25 rep sets I wasn't using a ton of weight. However, even with the back issues I had more strength than the last time I did this same workout somewhere around week four of my cycle.

I did reverse incline crunches at the end of my workout and that didn't go so well. I had to cut my second set short because I had some back pain. But I finished up with intervals on the eliptical and a short jog and had no back problems at all.

Based on the last few workouts my strength is up from the cycle which is great news. I didn't weigh myself on vacation but since I've been back my weight has been all over the map so I have no idea if I've maintained or not, the answer changes day by day.



Formex or Reversitol but not both -- they're both AIs. You might consider a natty test booster too.

You could easily run Formestane and Resveratrol. Were you talking about IForce's reversitol or the actual ingredient resveratrol?
 
You could easily run Formestane and Resveratrol. Were you talking about IForce's reversitol or the actual ingredient resveratrol?

KG said Reversitol so that's what I was talking about.

I don't know if Formex + Reversitol would be harmful together but it's definitely overlap so I don't think there's any benefit to using both simultaneously.

I don't think there's ever a bad time to take a resveratrol supplement whether you're on or off cycle.
 
Today is Day 36 of PCT and time for an update and progress pictures.

I feel much better since I got back from my vacation. I've upped my calories and reduced my training. Strength is sound. Some lifts are stronger, some are the same and some are very slightly down. So overall I can't complain.

I would say at this point that my back is 100% sound but my knee is still having some issues that only rear their heads when running. Squatting, deadlifts and lunges have been pain free.

In terms of weight, I'm about back to where I was when the h-drol cycle started. Here is a chart of my weight change with the cycle notated:

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Even though my weight ended up where I started I had some definite recomposition. Here are body change stats from Day 1 of the Cycle to Day 65 (PCT Day 30):

Stomach -5/16"
Waist -12/16"
Hips -3/8"
Thigh +1/16"
Bicep +9/16"
Chest -1/4""
Weight -0.2lb
BF -0.6% (probably not accurate)

If you compare the pictures below (taken Day 66 / PCT Day 31) with my before pictures in Invalid Link Removed it looks to me like I got quite a bit leaner. My goal for this cycle was cut/recomp and I definitely accomplished that.

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These are pics from Day 66 / PCT Day 31:

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This is probably going to be my last update for this log. I'll continue to answer any questions if people post them here. And in a few weeks I may post another weight chart or revised body measurements if there's anything notable to discuss.

If you want to follow what I'm up to these days you can read my sponsored Lean Fuel Extreme log which is here - Invalid Link Removed
 
good job with the graphs, shows that you keep track of everything really well, so are you saying the Formex and Reversitol at the same time wouldn't be a good idea?
 
Diesel Test AND Formex AND THEN PC Support?...you just wasted 120$...go with a bottle of Reversitol by iForce and call it a day. 45$, an entirely sufficient PCT for H-drol.
 
Diesel Test AND Formex AND THEN PC Support?...you just wasted 120$...go with a bottle of Reversitol by iForce and call it a day. 45$, an entirely sufficient PCT for H-drol.
PC Support is a big ???. Ive never tried Reveristol, so dont know, thanks man.
 
good job with the graphs, shows that you keep track of everything really well, so are you saying the Formex and Reversitol at the same time wouldn't be a good idea?

Well, I don't know if it would hurt to take them both together but they are both AI's so I don't think there's any benefit to taking both together. And it may be detrimental to take both; someone else will have to comment on that.

Diesel Test AND Formex AND THEN PC Support?...you just wasted 120$...go with a bottle of Reversitol by iForce and call it a day. 45$, an entirely sufficient PCT for H-drol.

YUP! And Torem too!

Different people respond to h-drol different ways. There is no harm with taking extra precautions. And it's not like these products are JUST for PCT. They are designed for stand alone use. So they are still useful even if your opinion is that they are not necessary.

The one thing I might eliminate from PCT next time around is Lean Xtreme. I'm not at all convinced there is any benefit to using a cort blocker.
 

1. There doesn't seem to be anything supporting the idea that stress/diet/etc. increase cortisol levels to a level where there could be negative consequences. At least not for a HEALTHY person. There are conditions some people have that can cause them to experience negative consequences from cortisol but healthy people aren't suspect.

2. Even if raised cortisol was an issue for healthy people, there's not evidence that these cortisol blockers do anything.

3. The argument for using a cort blocker post-cycle is that steroids can raise your cortisol levels high enough to have undesirable effects on your body. but I haven't seen anything to support this. If this is true then it's the ONLY time I think it makes sense to use a cort blocker, and that's ASSUMING they work.

4. Users on sites with no/low rep activity don't advocate cort blockers nearly as much as sites like AM with heavy rep activity.
 
1. There doesn't seem to be anything supporting the idea that stress/diet/etc. increase cortisol levels to a level where there could be negative consequences. At least not for a HEALTHY person. There are conditions some people have that can cause them to experience negative consequences from cortisol but healthy people aren't suspect.

2. Even if raised cortisol was an issue for healthy people, there's not evidence that these cortisol blockers do anything.

3. The argument for using a cort blocker post-cycle is that steroids can raise your cortisol levels high enough to have undesirable effects on your body. but I haven't seen anything to support this. If this is true then it's the ONLY time I think it makes sense to use a cort blocker, and that's ASSUMING they work.

4. Users on sites with no/low rep activity don't advocate cort blockers nearly as much as sites like AM with heavy rep activity.
good point, Im just going to use one because Im stacking, and dosing Hdrol semi-high
 
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