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Jotan said:
Hi,

I wondered if Trauma/Eric could be kind enough to comment on my query concerning the XHMS and hCG as I have ordered and plan to use them soon (I also have nolva but don't plan on using unless needed). I'm new to this so
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Steriod section perhaps?
:dunno:
 
1HP said:
Although I'm not convinced/have not seen evidence that transdermal trans-resveratrol leads to high blood plasma levels of trans-resveratrol (hint pp? I think It would greatly boost your sales towards the anti-aging crowd), I must say SA is a very high quality product you will actually feel working very fast. One of the best libido/well being boosters I've tried, not the strongest but it never fails, whether being on pct or not. A sure shot so to say ;)
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Cool. Are you cycling this stuff or using resveratrol as an everyday supplement?
 
Jotan said:
Hi,

I wondered if Trauma/Eric could be kind enough to comment on my query concerning the XHMS and hCG as I have ordered and plan to use them soon (I also have nolva but don't plan on using unless needed). I'm new to this so please excuse any obvious oversights.

Having read the articles on Primordial (Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side and hCG - Unraveled) I decided to use the TRS stack after 1-t tren (2 tubes, 6 weeks) and have nolva on standby just in case.

The hCG article states LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. I have followed many 1-tt logs and some users are reporting testicular atrophy which in my limited understanding is indicative to a loss of function; this is whilst using SA as directed.

I ordered hCG powder to administer sublingually @ 100iu daily with my theory being I can avoid any shutdown/atrophy - damage.

I also read this anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/125140-definitive-guide-post.html#post1951681 which states hCG isn't needed for a cycle less than 6 weeks.

How can damage begin to the testes after 2 days yet hCG which prevents damage is not needed unless your cycle is over 6 weeks?

Can you please advise the use of hCG with the XHMS and if it isn't needed why? I'm only 26 and I'd like children in the future...

Thanks
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Because your testes can withstand a certain amount of desensitization before they become too far gone to come back fully. It appears that 6 weeks is point for most men... and if you go out further you risk desensitization that you wont be able to get back.

-Eric
 
matthias7 said:
Right that makes things a bit different. What you are saying is even I'm in a sort of PH sort of cycle and need PCT. I'm a bit surprised because the US anti-aging market is completely nuts about DHEA, so I didn't think it would make much difference - I'm just not that old.
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A little oral DHEA wont suppress you too bad... but it probably isnt doing much either.

-Eric
 
matthias7 said:
Dermacrine (Primodeal) - (DHEA and pregnanolone transdermal) is being lumped together with a prohormone (Lean Xtreme). Perhaps its really potent, okay well my perspective of DHEA as an "anti-aging" supplement appears to have taken a 'knock on the head'.

Okay you are classing DHEA as a 'cycle'. I can understand why pregnanolone is considered 'in cycle'.

Actually the pro-hormone content o "Lean Xtreme" is probably low.
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I dont feel like "Lean Xtreme" should really be considered a "cycle" but it should atleast be avoided for PCT because of possible interaction with the HPTA.

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
A little oral DHEA wont suppress you too bad... but it probably isnt doing much either.

-Eric
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Why?

Why is transdermal better in this instance. Normally transdermal works when the liver is chewing up a supplement. Transdermal will of course eventually hit the liver but not before it hits most of places.
 
matthias7 said:
Why?

Why is transdermal better in this instance. Normally transdermal works when the liver is chewing up a supplement. Transdermal will of course eventually hit the liver but not before it hits most of places.
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Your skin contains a higher amount of steroidogenic enzymes (3b-HSD and 17b-HSD) that are required for conversions to target hormones. The DHEA will encounter them through the dermal environment and convert at a better rate vs. oral (GI tract) conversions.

Transdermal delivery also allows for a higher percentage of the active to be absorbed in comparison to nonmethylated orals which suffer metabolism secondary to the hepatic "First-pass" effect prior to systemic involvement.
 
matthias7 said:
Why?

Why is transdermal better in this instance. Normally transdermal works when the liver is chewing up a supplement. Transdermal will of course eventually hit the liver but not before it hits most of places.
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Better?

Well more gets into the body with TD, so it gives more results, and more suppression.

-Eric
 
thebigt said:
explain ginormous? at any rate there is i cut off point that you can raise natural test levels too, but if you use effective pct products like trs you will see an increase above baseline. lots of products used for pct are also used as standalone test boosters. and vise versa-lots of test boosters are used for pct. i don't understand your disagreement.
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explain "imagine what it will do with normal test levels. " Not trying to be argumentative but is there lit you can provide to show how much increase in T in active normal males? As it is, resve as a SERM is still highly debatable. The pathways for recovery from a cycle vs increasing test is not equal. Feeling 'great' coz you recovered from cycle will lead you to erroneously 'imagine' what it can do in a normal homogeneous environment. Recovering from T=20 vs raising T from 575 is a big difference imo.
 
I`m also interested in the transdermal bio-availability of resveratrol explanation, can you guys put some light on the subject?
thanks
 
nunes said:
I`m also interested in the transdermal bio-availability of resveratrol explanation, can you guys put some light on the subject?
thanks
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The RES is probably penetrating at around 30-35% and then skipping immediate liver deactivation so its going to be a bit more ‘bio-active’ for a period of time.
 
steam said:
explain "imagine what it will do with normal test levels. " Not trying to be argumentative but is there lit you can provide to show how much increase in T in active normal males? As it is, resve as a SERM is still highly debatable. The pathways for recovery from a cycle vs increasing test is not equal. Feeling 'great' coz you recovered from cycle will lead you to erroneously 'imagine' what it can do in a normal homogeneous environment. Recovering from T=20 vs raising T from 575 is a big difference imo.
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explain 'big difference'? raising test is raising test no matter what level you start at.
 
steam said:
explain "imagine what it will do with normal test levels. " Not trying to be argumentative but is there lit you can provide to show how much increase in T in active normal males? As it is, resve as a SERM is still highly debatable. The pathways for recovery from a cycle vs increasing test is not equal. Feeling 'great' coz you recovered from cycle will lead you to erroneously 'imagine' what it can do in a normal homogeneous environment. Recovering from T=20 vs raising T from 575 is a big difference imo.
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res/atd/6oxo/formestane they are all just used in pct -right? none of these have ever been used to boost test? are you getting your info from muscletech? the pathway for recovering from a cycle is increasing test.
 
thebigt said:
res/atd/6oxo/formestane they are all just used in pct -right? none of these have ever been used to boost test? are you getting your info from muscletech? the pathway for recovering from a cycle is increasing test.
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me: i need a test booster...
you: sure, use atd, 6oxo, form

u call that good advise? good grief!
 
Primordial Perf said:
The RES is probably penetrating at around 30-35% and then skipping immediate liver deactivation so its going to be a bit more ‘bio-active’ for a period of time.
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Are there any plans for getting actual blood plasma levels tested at some point? I'm now either cycling or stacking transdermal and oral dosages of Tres (SA + bulk resv), If you can back this up with hard figures I'm convinced your sales will go up ;)
 
Primordial Perf said:
Because your testes can withstand a certain amount of desensitization before they become too far gone to come back fully. It appears that 6 weeks is point for most men... and if you go out further you risk desensitization that you wont be able to get back.

-Eric
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Thank you for your quick response. Honestly, I don't want any desensitisation! Could you please answer my second query too?

Can you please advise the use of hCG with the XHMS stack?

:thanks::thanks::thanks:
 
steam said:
me: i need a test booster...
you: sure, use atd, 6oxo, form

u call that good advise? good grief!
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haha, yeah you are right. there is absolutely no evidence or studies showing atd/6oxo/form raise test. sorry man, but i am done with this.:dunno:
 
Jotan said:
Thank you for your quick response. Honestly, I don't want any desensitisation! Could you please answer my second query too?

Can you please advise the use of hCG with the XHMS stack?

:thanks::thanks::thanks:
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The Invalid Link Removed is a 6 week cycle of 1-T TREN, so you wont need hCG for this. (anything longer and you would need hCG)

It includes the TRS, and thats all you need for PCT.

-Eric
 
1HP said:
Are there any plans for getting actual blood plasma levels tested at some point? I'm now either cycling or stacking transdermal and oral dosages of Tres (SA + bulk resv), If you can back this up with hard figures I'm convinced your sales will go up ;)
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bump for Primordial Performance
 
1HP said:
bump for Primordial Performance
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2nd'ed

What tests need running? I might be able to get blood work done. It will be my first cycle just using the xhms, however I plan on using hcg anyway.

Just because my testes can probably withstand 6 weeks abuse, doesn't mean I want to subject them to it. I'm not bashing PP, I highly rate their products hence me purchasing and using them, I'm just being cautious :dunno:
 
Jotan said:
2nd'ed

What tests need running? I might be able to get blood work done. It will be my first cycle just using the xhms, however I plan on using hcg anyway.

Just because my testes can probably withstand 6 weeks abuse, doesn't mean I want to subject them to it. I'm not bashing PP, I highly rate their products hence me purchasing and using them, I'm just being cautious :dunno:
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I very much doubt you can get this tested, but interested in blood plasma levels of trans-resveratrol after transdermal application of Sustain-Alpha.
 
1HP said:
I very much doubt you can get this tested, but interested in blood plasma levels of trans-resveratrol after transdermal application of Sustain-Alpha.
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I think your assumptions are correct. I'm going way off topic so I'll drop a PM
 
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