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1st PH Cycle H-DROL Need HELP

WOW GYNO FROM HDROL !!!! sorry about the caps but i did not really think it gave users gyno i might even consider not running hdrol now ....

Tony im also shocked your saying you look fat on your chest i thought the hdrol was cut for making dry lean gains and to help cut is your diet abit rough ???????

And yeah i think you should stop your cycle at once before the gyno could get worse even if it is gyno ........

and if your serm doesnt get rid of it i have heard doing a cycle of ibe epistane is good for reducing or getting rid of gyno :0 :) :) :)
 
Gym4Life said:
WOW GYNO FROM HDROL !!!! sorry about the caps but i did not really think it gave users gyno i might even consider not running hdrol now ....

Tony im also shocked your saying you look fat on your chest i thought the hdrol was cut for making dry lean gains and to help cut is your diet abit rough ???????

And yeah i think you should stop your cycle at once before the gyno could get worse even if it is gyno ........

and if your serm doesnt get rid of it i have heard doing a cycle of ibe epistane is good for reducing or getting rid of gyno :0 :) :) :)
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Some people have gotten gyno from h-drol but it seems awfully rare. I bet it happens more from crappy PCT than from the h-drol.

Do NOT take Epistane/Havoc for gyno treatment. Lots of people have gotten gyno from it. I bought Havoc first but decided to use h-drol because of all the horror stories I heard with Havoc -- especially gyno.

Some people with gyno have seen temporary reduction while on cycle but it always returns and sometimes it comes back worse. I would say that if Tone got gyno from h-drol he should avoid any epi based gear at all costs if gyno is a concern.

Did the gyno crop up when you bumped your dose up to 100?
 
LAGear said:
Some people have gotten gyno from h-drol but it seems awfully rare. I bet it happens more from crappy PCT than from the h-drol.

Do NOT take Epistane/Havoc for gyno treatment. Lots of people have gotten gyno from it. I bought Havoc first but decided to use h-drol because of all the horror stories I heard with Havoc -- especially gyno.

Some people with gyno have seen temporary reduction while on cycle but it always returns and sometimes it comes back worse. I would say that if Tone got gyno from h-drol he should avoid any epi based gear at all costs if gyno is a concern.

Did the gyno crop up when you bumped your dose up to 100?
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hmm wise words i aggree with you i dont know much about epistane i just thought it was good for being gyno free but i guess i am wrong ....

i didnt know people had got gyno from it and in that case you are right tone should not use it. i was considering using hdrol or epi for my first cycle but now i dont think i will use either.

La gear do you know how good The One is with gyno ??? i was considering using The One for my first Cycle.
 
Gym4Life said:
hmm wise words i aggree with you i dont know much about epistane i just thought it was good for being gyno free but i guess i am wrong ....

i didnt know people had got gyno from it and in that case you are right tone should not use it. i was considering using hdrol or epi for my first cycle but now i dont think i will use either.

La gear do you know how good The One is with gyno ??? i was considering using The One for my first Cycle.
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I don't know much about The One. But I do know that if you are considering your first cycle it's had to beat h-drol to break in. The odds of getting gyno from h-drol are really low. But nothing in this game is risk free, so if you want to go down this road you have to accept that there is always some risk and then do what you can to minimize the risk.

We're jacking this thread so I'd encourage you to start a new thread or research past threads for more info.
 
LAGear said:
I don't know much about The One. But I do know that if you are considering your first cycle it's had to beat h-drol to break in. The odds of getting gyno from h-drol are really low. But nothing in this game is risk free, so if you want to go down this road you have to accept that there is always some risk and then do what you can to minimize the risk.

We're jacking this thread so I'd encourage you to start a new thread or research past threads for more info.
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fair enough sorry if i have hijacked the thread abit was not my intention i have just learnt alot from tonys thread and its great to ask questions on things that has happernd in his thread.

anyway i will shut up now and keep a close eye on this thread still to see what happens with tonys possible gyno good luck tone.

And thanks again la gear.
 
Gym4Life said:
fair enough sorry if i have hijacked the thread abit was not my intention i have just learnt alot from tonys thread and its great to ask questions on things that has happernd in his thread.

anyway i will shut up now and keep a close eye on this thread still to see what happens with tonys possible gyno good luck tone.

And thanks again la gear.
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Oh man, I hope I didn't come across as the thread jack police!

I'm just sensitive to log threads because people spend weeks on them and it sucks for the OP if the thread gets totally derailed.
 
Don't worry about hijacking guys, any information that has to do with Hdrol, pct, and whatever else is always welcome here. So, and Update is due:

DAY 31

Yesterday had a GREAT chest workout, I went up and set a PR in bench again - I feel like I am a kid again went it comes to libido, I honestly only lasted about 3 minutes last night, not sayin thats a bad thing, hahahah, thats all the longer it takes my girl anyway, but It was interesting.

As far as strength I know I am way up since I started, mood has been about normal with a few outbursts of rage but nothing serious. A few break outs and headaches still.

The whole gyno situation is still starting to scare me a little bit sometimes, but then I'll look at it other times and think its not as bad as I may be making it out to be, considering I think I had a slight case of it before I started I don't think it has gotten worse but maybe showing up more since I am getting leaner.

I am getting pretty vascular all around around, especially up in my shoulders/neck area and my arms. Been tired a lot lately, I think a 5 week cycle is right where I want to be, Im glad I didn't decide to do a 6 week.
 
Gym4Life said:
WOW GYNO FROM HDROL !!!! sorry about the caps but i did not really think it gave users gyno i might even consider not running hdrol now ....

Tony im also shocked your saying you look fat on your chest i thought the hdrol was cut for making dry lean gains and to help cut is your diet abit rough ???????

And yeah i think you should stop your cycle at once before the gyno could get worse even if it is gyno ........

and if your serm doesnt get rid of it i have heard doing a cycle of ibe epistane is good for reducing or getting rid of gyno :0 :) :) :)
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I did not get my gyno from Hdrol - It was from a long time ago, I believe when I took andro with no PCT at age 19 (dumb) and the hdrol is starting to flair back up again -so i didn't develop it with hdrol, but it is starting to make it a little more puffy...... and only in my left nipple, whats up with that????
 
Tone said:
I did not get my gyno from Hdrol - It was from a long time ago, I believe when I took andro with no PCT at age 19 (dumb) and the hdrol is starting to flair back up again -so i didn't develop it with hdrol, but it is starting to make it a little more puffy...... and only in my left nipple, whats up with that????
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wow thats good to hear that you dont think it was the hdrol. anyway ...

Hdrol could cause gyno to flare up again any steriod/ph would make it flare up i beleive ... once you got it i think you need nolva or clomid if it dont go surgery is only option.

if its not to bad maybe it might go away my mate got a case of gyno from using superdrol .... obviously alot worse but after about 4 months it actually just went i have no idea how or why.

very intresting to see you could only take 5 weeks did you bump up to 100mg in week 5 ??? if you had stayed on 75 or 50 do you think you could of made 6 weeks.

i think i will continue with hdrol and furazadrol cycle but i dont think i will be able to start it untill 2 months time sight cuz of work.

its a shame so many steriods or ph's cause tiredness cuz it seems to be the main side effect and thats the last thing u need to get your ass in the gym.

1 of my friends has been using THE ONE with good results but has been getting very tired he is using RPM to combat it and he says its doing the world of good.

Maybe hdrol with SX by ax or RPM would be a good stacker ?

you should consider using pct assist by cel :) :) for pct and make sure u got a good corstal blocker like lean fx :) :)

Good luck can wait to see your final pics and before and after can you still do them look forward to it mate ? :)
 
I bumped up to 100 in week 4, but only for like 3 days because of the gyno scare i went back down to 75!!!!! I could do 6 weeks, as I am doing 5 and 1/2 this time.

I found out the reason I was so tired all the time was from lack of sleep... If I got my solid 7-9 hours I would be set, lots of energy but If I got anything less than 7 thats when the lethargy would really come into play, there for awhile I wasn't getting my sleep and I was getting completely run down.... now that im back to getting sound sleep I feel my energy coming back, especially in the gym.
 
for pct i am running Formex, PCT Assist, Lean FX, Fenugreek, and I also have some nolva now, on hand since my gyno has started to stop flairing up i may not use the nolva and just keep it for another cycle.
 
Tone said:
for pct i am running Formex, PCT Assist, Lean FX, Fenugreek, and I also have some nolva now, on hand since my gyno has started to stop flairing up i may not use the nolva and just keep it for another cycle.
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If you go over five weeks I would give extra thought to using the Nolva. As I understand it five weeks is the tipping point. When you stop natural test production for more than five weeks getting things started again is a lot harder, even if you're on something mild.

I don't know that this is a fact, it's just something I've heard repeated many times and I've not heard anyone challenge it. This is one of the main reasons I was reluctant to go from four to five weeks in the first place and why I wouldn't go to six weeks even though I would have liked to. I still used a SERM anyway, I just like to play it safe.

How much longer you got? You should be about ready to start PCT by now aren't you?
 
LAGear said:
If you go over five weeks I would give extra thought to using the Nolva. As I understand it five weeks is the tipping point. When you stop natural test production for more than five weeks getting things started again is a lot harder, even if you're on something mild.

I don't know that this is a fact, it's just something I've heard repeated many times and I've not heard anyone challenge it. This is one of the main reasons I was reluctant to go from four to five weeks in the first place and why I wouldn't go to six weeks even though I would have liked to. I still used a SERM anyway, I just like to play it safe.

How much longer you got? You should be about ready to start PCT by now aren't you?
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I'll think about it... starting PCT on Friday.... have you kept most of your gains so far??? what are you about a week into your pct?
 
Tone said:
I'll think about it... starting PCT on Friday.... have you kept most of your gains so far??? what are you about a week into your pct?
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Today is day 6 of my PCT. So far I've kept all my gains, whatever they are.

My cycle was more recomp than anything and it's hard to know exactly what happened without accurate BF readings. I added about 3lb total, and I think I lost 2-3lb fat. So I'm guesstimating that I put on about 5-6lb of muscle. That's a good result for me since I was looking to cut and started out fairly lean.
 
Ok so I am going to just straight up come out and say it.... I was the man in the weight room today, I was throwin around weight that I have never thrown around in my life, well not since I played football 7 years ago. I think since its my last go around for each split I am pushing everything to the limit and I am finding that I have that little extra, I have that extra 5 lbs or extra 2 more reps in me. I honestly don't think I have been pushing myself hard enough until now. Too bad this is my last week :( but I am going to get stuff done during my PCT and hopefully GAIN!!!!! Thanks for all your help, its been a good run so far, I will have picture on Thursday night when I am done. and I will keep posted during my PCT as well....
 
Tone said:
Ok so I am going to just straight up come out and say it.... I was the man in the weight room today, I was throwin around weight that I have never thrown around in my life, well not since I played football 7 years ago. I think since its my last go around for each split I am pushing everything to the limit and I am finding that I have that little extra, I have that extra 5 lbs or extra 2 more reps in me. I honestly don't think I have been pushing myself hard enough until now. Too bad this is my last week :( but I am going to get stuff done during my PCT and hopefully GAIN!!!!! Thanks for all your help, its been a good run so far, I will have picture on Thursday night when I am done. and I will keep posted during my PCT as well....
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same for me too...I thought about it the other day, "why do we only push ourselves that extra bit when we're on cycle?" so now, all natural, Im pushing myself to the limit like never before, I mean heavy @ss weight, drop sets, static holds, and Im feeling great and realizing I have more in me than I thought
 
Good work! Hope you are happy with your gains and make more during PCT!

Looking forward to PCT updates.

I had the opposite experience than you guys. I pushed so hard all through my cycle that I was mentally exhausted when it was over. I obsessed about everything I ate, drank, lifted, etc. When you're talking about 5-6 week cycle I don't think it's healthy to be pushing 100% the entire time. But that's my Type A OC personality, so even knowing this I'd probably end up doing the same thing again.

Because of how intense I was during my cycle I'm not eagerly looking forward to doing another. If I do another cycle it probably won't be until Feb/March of next year.
 
Ok, here are a few before and after pictures... check the left peck, is this gyno or what?? notice I did have it before cycle as well...
 

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Thanks guys... hell yeah i hope its not gyno, i think its just a little more fat on my left side than on the right side, not sure why... So far I have gained 5lbs... and I have lost some BF as you can tell a bit from the photos. I am now into PCT 2nd day of that and am going to take another photo after PCT to compare.... I better get biggger!!1

NOTE: My diet wasn't near to what It should have been, I wasn't eating very healthy, I have no excuses for that, just lazy which I am pissed about because if my diet was spot on like I wanted it to be my gains would have been WAY better. Will not do another cycle until I am mentally ready to stay comitted to the diet I lay out.

NOTE #2 I am on my 2nd day off cycle, I have a TON of energy.... I haven't had this energy for a long time, HDROL definitely made my energy drop completely.... Libido is dragging though, that should change in a few days!!!!! I'll keep you posted
 
nice gains

Tone said:
Ok, here are a few before and after pictures... check the left peck, is this gyno or what?? notice I did have it before cycle as well...
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tone you have had great sucess if you ask me...

You do not have any gyno what so ever mayve your chest looks like you may have a little water retention but thats about it and it looks good you have built up well.

Your shoulders chest and even your arms are looking alot bigger / leaner and ya look alot harder. stomach looks alot more solid aswell well done mate and thanks for a great log.
 
Gym4Life said:
tone you have had great sucess if you ask me...

You do not have any gyno what so ever mayve your chest looks like you may have a little water retention but thats about it and it looks good you have built up well.

Your shoulders chest and even your arms are looking alot bigger / leaner and ya look alot harder. stomach looks alot more solid aswell well done mate and thanks for a great log.
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thanks man, i really appreciate the input
 
LAGear said:
How PCT going bro?
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PCT is going solid so far. I started on Friday and yesterday was my first full workout and I have seem to not lost any gains so far. Not feeling as hard, or as pumped as while on cycle, so that is a bummer. Other than that things are going great. I am still hoping to keep all my gains, if not gain even more strength. Weight is the same, and so far I don't feel shut down at all - libido is up from my last week of hdrol so Im feeling content and probably not going to use my SERM.
 
Speaking of not using my SERM this time, I am starting to do some reserach on my next steriod. Right now I am thinking of doing something a little stronger and I am leaning towards M-drol or 1 androsterone - any advice?
 
thats why Im questioning not using one on my next cycle, but Im using a stack this time, so Im a little unsure
 
Oh, yeah If I am using anything else I will DEFINITELY use a SERM.... But now I already have it on hand so its making me get excited for my next cycle. I will probably do a 4 week mdrol around septemeber or october this year. At least that is what I am leaning towards now.
 
Tone said:
Oh, yeah If I am using anything else I will DEFINITELY use a SERM.... But now I already have it on hand so its making me get excited for my next cycle. I will probably do a 4 week mdrol around septemeber or october this year. At least that is what I am leaning towards now.
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have you done anything else other than Hdrol, this is your first cycle, right?
 
If you have the SERM it's not a bad idea to use it. I've read about at least one person who felt fine after h-drol but had bloodwork done and everything was in the shitter. Personally, I prefer to play it safe than sorry, won't do any kind of cycle without a SERM.

I'm thinking of using Dermacrine or 1-T for my next cycle.

I have a bottle of Havoc and was so set to use it but that **** is nasty. I'm tempted to use it since I've got it but I can't let myself go there.
 
LAGear said:
If you have the SERM it's not a bad idea to use it. I've read about at least one person who felt fine after h-drol but had bloodwork done and everything was in the shitter. Personally, I prefer to play it safe than sorry, won't do any kind of cycle without a SERM.

I'm thinking of using Dermacrine or 1-T for my next cycle.

I have a bottle of Havoc and was so set to use it but that **** is nasty. I'm tempted to use it since I've got it but I can't let myself go there.
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I was thinking about 1-T as well possibly - I was searching for threads with it and couldn't come up with any, i think because of the 1 in the front. If you know of any good ones post them for me would ya.
 
Tone said:
I was thinking about 1-T as well possibly - I was searching for threads with it and couldn't come up with any, i think because of the 1 in the front. If you know of any good ones post them for me would ya.
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Check the PP company forum here at AM, you'll probably find some there. Also try doing your searches with quotation marks like this "1-T"
 
Am into my PCT almost 2 weeks now. Feeling very "small" my pumps do not last at all. I am feeling like a PUSSY walking around except for right after my workouts, and even then my pump isn't nearly what it was. I am missing my hdrol already!!! Strength gains have not deminished, although motivation, and ambition for working out has gone WAY down. I have started to use an Ephedrine/Caffeine stack in the morning, just started that yesterday but has seemed to really bump up my energy/mood during the day!!! It has also been very raining and gloomy here for the entire week so far and it isn't going to quit for a few days yet so that is also putting me in a bad mood. I hope im not having withdrawls :) j/k.... I am really excited to do another cycle though in a few months.... PCT is going for another 2 weeks and I would have to say that my libido is back up to norm --- but i honestly am not sure I am fully back to normal yet.
 
Tone said:
Am into my PCT almost 2 weeks now. Feeling very "small" my pumps do not last at all. I am feeling like a PUSSY walking around except for right after my workouts, and even then my pump isn't nearly what it was. I am missing my hdrol already!!! Strength gains have not deminished, although motivation, and ambition for working out has gone WAY down. I have started to use an Ephedrine/Caffeine stack in the morning, just started that yesterday but has seemed to really bump up my energy/mood during the day!!! It has also been very raining and gloomy here for the entire week so far and it isn't going to quit for a few days yet so that is also putting me in a bad mood. I hope im not having withdrawls :) j/k.... I am really excited to do another cycle though in a few months.... PCT is going for another 2 weeks and I would have to say that my libido is back up to norm --- but i honestly am not sure I am fully back to normal yet.
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this is sometimes the downfall of a cycle, the psychological effects it has on you. just stay focused and keep your goals in sight, which should help with the motivation factor. your mind is the strongest element to you as a whole, without that you are truly weak. remember you did gain strength, so your not weak, you want to lean towards the easier route (being lazy, having negative feelings) then prevailing and pushing through hard times, its ok, its human nature, but like the Spartans say, "never give up, never surrender" :wave2:
 
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this is sometimes the downfall of a cycle, the psychological effects it has on you. just stay focused and keep your goals in sight, which should help with the motivation factor. your mind is the strongest element to you as a whole, without that you are truly weak. remember you did gain strength, so your not weak, you want to lean towards the easier route (being lazy, having negative feelings) then prevailing and pushing through hard times, its ok, its human nature, but like the Spartans say, "never give up, never surrender" :wave2:
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Thanks bro - needed that!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey Tone, I definately felt like you in my first week on PCT ( I am currently in the second). My first two workouts pretty much sucked and didnt know why. Like KgTomCat said its all psychological because all my strenght was still there. But another thing that really helped me was the fact that i bought myself a tub of White Flood that **** is aswome it got me back in the gym with great focus and pumps. If you are not taking a pre-workout supp you should consider WF.
 
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