CEL H Drol PCT.

i have a question, i noticed some people are running 4 weeks cycle, which means they are only using 1 bottle. Some are running 5 to 6 weeks so they use 2 bottles, am i correct?:dunno:


age:28
190-195 lbs
bf??? 10?
workout experience 3 years consist (hardcore most of the time)


I am seriously considering about do hdrol cycle very soon but need to gather all information together.

I am thinking about do either 4 to 6 weeks on hdrol 50/75/75/75 or 50/50/75/75/75 ( not too sure yet). While im on hdrol i plan to take cycle support and Diuretic Extreme Water Loss. While on cycle, whey, creatine, multi-vitamins, bcaa and liver support.

as for PCT i am still working on it...

post cycle by powerlabs or maybe aPCT, Blue -up, and Inhibit-E?? i am still unsure about PCT stuff but i m aware that i do not need to take SERM.


BTW i apologized if my grammar sucks... if you do not understand please feel free to hit me up!
 
DeafPrideSS said:
i have a question, i noticed some people are running 4 weeks cycle, which means they are only using 1 bottle. Some are running 5 to 6 weeks so they use 2 bottles, am i correct?:dunno:


age:28
190-195 lbs
bf??? 10?
workout experience 3 years consist (hardcore most of the time)


I am seriously considering about do hdrol cycle very soon but need to gather all information together.

I am thinking about do either 4 to 6 weeks on hdrol 50/75/75/75 or 50/50/75/75/75 ( not too sure yet). While im on hdrol i plan to take cycle support and Diuretic Extreme Water Loss. While on cycle, whey, creatine, multi-vitamins, bcaa and liver support.

as for PCT i am still working on it...

post cycle by powerlabs or maybe aPCT, Blue -up, and Inhibit-E?? i am still unsure about PCT stuff but i m aware that i do not need to take SERM.


BTW i apologized if my grammar sucks... if you do not understand please feel free to hit me up!
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1) You need two bottles for a decent 5-6 week cycle. I've read about some people doing a four week cycle but based on everything I've read it doesn't make much sense with h-drol to go less than five weeks.
2) I've never heard of someone taking diuretics on cycle so someone else will have to comment about that. But you do not want to take creatine on cycle. It's good for PCT though.
3) You probably won't need to use a SERM but you might. If anyone's being totally honest with you they'll tell you that you should definitely have one ready just in case. And the more I read the more I understand that even if it's not necessary, using a SERM is the most failsafe way to go. You can probably get away without the SERM but using it won't be counterproductive.

I'm on my first cycle right now and have torem ready, but still trying to decide whether or not I'm going to use it.

Different sites have different biases. Don't rely on just one person or one site. Research in as many places as you can and try to figure it out for yourself so you make an educated decision and do what makes sense to you instead of doing what sounds good, or taking the advice you want to hear.
 
LAGear said:
1) You need two bottles for a decent 5-6 week cycle. I've read about some people doing a four week cycle but based on everything I've read it doesn't make much sense with h-drol to go less than five weeks.
2) I've never heard of someone taking diuretics on cycle so someone else will have to comment about that. But you do not want to take creatine on cycle. It's good for PCT though.
3) You probably won't need to use a SERM but you might. If anyone's being totally honest with you they'll tell you that you should definitely have one ready just in case. And the more I read the more I understand that even if it's not necessary, using a SERM is the most failsafe way to go. You can probably get away without the SERM but using it won't be counterproductive.

I'm on my first cycle right now and have torem ready, but still trying to decide whether or not I'm going to use it.

Different sites have different biases. Don't rely on just one person or one site. Research in as many places as you can and try to figure it out for yourself so you make an educated decision and do what makes sense to you instead of doing what sounds good, or taking the advice you want to hear.
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Thanks fam.. :thanks:
 
you dont need a serm for h-drol man. otc is fine and much better for your body. when halo-50 was sold in the gnc so many people ran no ptc and were just fine.

look into iforce revert
 
qwerty33 said:
you dont need a serm for h-drol man. otc is fine and much better for your body. when halo-50 was sold in the gnc so many people ran no ptc and were just fine.

look into iforce revert
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some people ≠ everybody

Suggesting that it's ok to use halo without any PCT is a really bad idea.

As far as I can tell nolva and torem aren't harder on your body than OTC, but I personally wouldn't touch clomid. Most people who go with OTC do so because they can't get a serm or are afraid to use one from a research company. But I don't think you can make a strong case for effective OTC products being safer than a serm. In fact everything I read suggests that for a non-aromatizing product like halo you are more likely to get gyno from screwing up OTC PCT than from using a serm.

I'm not saying that OTC PCT won't work or is insufficient. OTC should be fine for halo but based on my research a serm is the only foolproof way to go and probably safer than OTC if you use nolva or torem.
 
I've done two cycles of hdrol now, and planning my third for this summer. I know a lot of people are unsure about the SERM with it, but I use torem strictly because I have it and figure better safe than sorry. If you have access to it why not use it if it can bring you back to normal the best? OTC may be fine but torem has brought 'the boys' back quickly and aside from some occasional mood changes on it, I had no sides.
 
badjuju said:
I've done two cycles of hdrol now, and planning my third for this summer. I know a lot of people are unsure about the SERM with it, but I use torem strictly because I have it and figure better safe than sorry. If you have access to it why not use it if it can bring you back to normal the best? OTC may be fine but torem has brought 'the boys' back quickly and aside from some occasional mood changes on it, I had no sides.
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That's exactly my rationale for using torem.

Can you please elaborate on the dosing you used, and if you used anything else with torem in your PCT, like cort control or a test booster?

Also, you mentioned torem bringing the boys back. From what I read most people don't have that much suppression from halo. How much did you use and for how long?

Thanks!
 
My hdrol dosing was 50x4 my first time and 50/75/75/50 my last time through it.

Now, hdrol didn't really suppress me at all my first cycle, but my second cycle there was definitely minor suppression.

Like I said before though, the torem may not be necessary, but I'm paranoid for sides like gyno, so I figured since I had access I might as well use it. I dosed it at...

120 x 3 days
90 x 4 days
60 x 1 week
30 x 1 week

I also ran 6-oxo at 600/300/300 starting in week 3 of the torem. Here is a better layout of my PCT.

torem - 120to90/60/30
6-oxo - 0/0/600/300/300
 
badjuju said:
My hdrol dosing was 50x4 my first time and 50/75/75/50 my last time through it.

Now, hdrol didn't really suppress me at all my first cycle, but my second cycle there was definitely minor suppression.

Like I said before though, the torem may not be necessary, but I'm paranoid for sides like gyno, so I figured since I had access I might as well use it. I dosed it at...

120 x 3 days
90 x 4 days
60 x 1 week
30 x 1 week

I also ran 6-oxo at 600/300/300 starting in week 3 of the torem. Here is a better layout of my PCT.

torem - 120to90/60/30
6-oxo - 0/0/600/300/300
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I have 6-oxo and torem. I was going to use both but I really don't see the need for both for halo.

Did you have a specific reason for adding the AI or were you just trying to play it really safe?

Using 6-oxo in addition to torem adds a lot of cost to PCT and it might increase the risk for gyno and definitely increases hair shedding if you are prone.

I'm planning to use torem, diesel test hardcore and possibly lean xtreme. I have 6-oxo but the more I research the less need I see for it. I'm not completely sure I need lean xtreme either, but I have it. For sure I'm going to use torem and DTH though.

Any other opinions out there?
 
I was just playing it really safe by having the 6-oxo as well. I actually got lucky and caught it on a big sale so that was probably another motivating factor in taking it.

I also think I went with 6-oxo because it seems to be the most widely used for a pct, thus more information was available in terms of dosing and results. What's a good replacement for 6-oxo with PCT?
 
badjuju said:
I was just playing it really safe by having the 6-oxo as well. I actually got lucky and caught it on a big sale so that was probably another motivating factor in taking it.

I also think I went with 6-oxo because it seems to be the most widely used for a pct, thus more information was available in terms of dosing and results. What's a good replacement for 6-oxo with PCT?
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I was in a rush to get started with my cycle but wanted to make sure I had everything I needed for PCT before I started. I wasn't 100% set on my PCT protocol when I started but at least I had everything in hand so I'd be ready.

I bought 6-oxo to use in PCT because it seemed to be held in high regard. But that depends on what site you're on, if you go to tnation people there think 6-oxo is absolutely worthless. In any case, the more I read about hdrol PCT the more I start to think that an AI is not necessary if using a serm. If I was going to use something other than 6-oxo I'd lean towards Formex but it's so new and there isn't enough history for me to use it. I think the best AI option is topical formestane but topicals are high maintenance products and too hard for me to use reliably.

There are lots of people who recovered from halo without a serm or AI and some without any kind of PCT at all. I really think torem will have you covered with respect to recovery from any kind of shutdown without gyno risks. And a natural test booster will help you get production started and keep your gains in PCT.

Which brings up another question, after your two cycles did you lose any of your gains in PCT?

Anyone have some opinions for using a cort blocker in PCT for halo? If you do can you give some explanation rather than just yes/no answer? Would be very helpful to me. Not sure if I should use the Lean Xtreme I bought or if i should ditch it.
 
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