Promagnon Is Back!!! Introducing CEL PMag

celc5 said:
AXapct. IF the gyno stays at bay, I'll just run Sustain.

If the gyno flares up, I'm gonna do a longish EOD run with Torem to get rid of it once and for all.

Edit: btw, I'd run Hyperdrol but for whatever reason it wrecks my stomach. I ran it once just fine but have had trouble with it since the latest batches. I've had a few friends who ordered it before and liked it. Then picked up another bottle last fall and couldn't tolerate it... it was weird :think: ???
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aPCT...no sheet...that's what I'm going with next PCT too. :)

I ran the HDX2 myself last year and had a tab bit of the squirts...not too bad. It's the Forskolin in it. I kinda got used to it after a week though, but still going with the aPCT.

I was looking around for other 6-Bromo sources, but I just trust AX. I did notice IDS had a Bromo out, but than again do I "trust" them anymore.
 
What are expected gains for Promagnon type stuff? I looked up some old p-25 reviews and one received no gains while the other only received 3-4 lbs. They also recommended it with Max-lmg on one of the logs I read.
 
DJ,
After rereading my reply to you, don't necessarily interpret "newbie friendly" as less productive. I fully expect to gain something 6 or 8 lean pounds on this cycle with minimal negative effects. It's a win win situation IMO.

GotTest,
I've dabbled with AX aPCT before and it kicked almost like hyperdrol. I've never ran it for pct but expect it to be just fine.

Day 5

Tuesday, April 21, 2009

3 Cap P-Mag
1 x 2 pumps CEL Formestane
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Fellas I gotta say that libido has increased steadily over the past 2-3 days. My girl made a comment tonight that we have went at it every night since Friday, which was day 1 of the cycle. That's more than usual, maybe more like EOD typically. I've also been noticing women and oggling like a creep more than usual too.

I suspect the TD form is the culprit for the libido boost, even though I'm dosing pretty darn low. At the same time, there's a handful of people who report a libido boost from promagnon so it could be either one or the combo.

Muscle fullness was noticable today, but nothing drastic. I worked a really looooooong day today and plugged away nicely. I hope that mental clarity stays sharp later in this cycle. I think I had a bit of "fogginess" with quick decision making at the end of my Pheraplex run.
 
celc5 said:
DJ,
After rereading my reply to you, don't necessarily interpret "newbie friendly" as less productive. I fully expect to gain something 6 or 8 lean pounds on this cycle with minimal negative effects. It's a win win situation IMO.

GotTest,
I've dabbled with AX aPCT before and it kicked almost like hyperdrol. I've never ran it for pct but expect it to be just fine.

Day 5

Tuesday, April 21, 2009

3 Cap P-Mag
1 x 2 pumps CEL Formestane
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Fellas I gotta say that libido has increased steadily over the past 2-3 days. My girl made a comment tonight that we have went at it every night since Friday, which was day 1 of the cycle. That's more than usual, maybe more like EOD typically. I've also been noticing women and oggling like a creep more than usual too.

I suspect the TD form is the culprit for the libido boost, even though I'm dosing pretty darn low. At the same time, there's a handful of people who report a libido boost from promagnon so it could be either one or the combo.

Muscle fullness was noticable today, but nothing drastic. I worked a really looooooong day today and plugged away nicely. I hope that mental clarity stays sharp later in this cycle. I think I had a bit of "fogginess" with quick decision making at the end of my Pheraplex run.
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h-drol makes me randy as an old goat, well i am an old goat. anyways, i guess the effects might be similar. btw this is a potent batch of formestane, very good stuff even at low doses.
 
Hey Celc5, I wanted to ask you how many calories your taking in and carbs and protein your getting also? I just got off an awesome 90 day run where I went from 256 to 204 so I have lost a bunch of fat and I want to add a little size but at the same time keeping my fat the same or better peeling off my last 10lbs or so. So I wanted to see what you thought of how many cals I should hit daily to peel off some bf and add the lean muscle?? Also I workout early in the mornings with circuit training where its a cardio based weight lifting. Do you think that that will work well with the pmag? Thanks for any insight you can give me!
 
buster0371 said:
ive heard of people getting bunk batches of hdrol? any truth to this?
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No truth to it at all. A couple people posted bad reviews over at BN, but there were alot of people that came right back with positive reviews on the same batch. Also, that batch had been tested by proviant and RTP both and had tested out fine both times.

Two things to remember - a batch for us is several thousand bottles. Just because a couple people dont respond well to a certain product doesnt make a batch bad. Individual response varies with everything including ph's. Also, anyone can leave a review, whether they actually take the product or not.
 
DJ,
I like the 1.6g pro/lb bw rule. That's what science recommends for positive nitrogen balance. I lose muscle real fast any time my pro gets any lower than that.

I match my carbs gram for gram with protein most of the time. So yesterday was about 315 each for example. I don't keep track of fat but I don't shy away from steak, pork, eggs either. Plus I take a few grams of fish oil per day. So I'd guess fat to swing from 50g most days to 80g maybe 2 or 3 times per week.

I've had a much different path than you body composition wise. I'd pretty much be built like Beavis and Butthead if I didn't eat like this all year round and workout regularly :laugh: Therefore, I can't in good conscience recommend a specific diet for you.

CEL,
IMO the negative posts were suspicious. That was my initial thought when I saw them anyhow.
 
Day 6

Irish,
Glad ur in brozilla :head:

Day 6

Wednesday, April 22, 2009

3 Caps P-Mag
1 x 2 CEL Formestane
Cycle Assist
Taurine

No beating around the bush, I'm flat out fried from my work schedule over the past 2 weeks. Motivation to lift tonight was poor. But, dang I plugged away and had a really decent lift. I suspect that the compound is starting to "kick in" just a little already and helped with during workout drive.

Muscle fullness and vasularity were up a little today. And despite my whiney pansy asss mood, I had real nice mind muscle connection on a few lifts that aren't my forte. For example, I decided to throw in a preacher machine for this cycle, which I normally don't really get a good burn from. I was pleasantly surprised that I really nailed that particular lift tonight.

There is also a slight aggression increase. I found myself going out of my way to be confrontational in general conversation. I must have did it 2 or 3 times before I caught myself. I stood in the corner for a timeout and snapped out of it :D
 
are you as amazed as i am with the quick reactions we seem to be getting from these new cel products? wasn't expecting to get much first week. think maybe it's the formestane, i really reacted well to it when running solo.
 
Hey this might sound dumb but I actually have a bottle of h-drol and p-mag and wanted to know if I use the p-mag and then use the h-drol for the second part of the cycle, would that be ok? Or it would it just be better to pick up another bottle of the p-mag??
 
BigT,
with the TD form and Xtren, I'm not surprised at all with quick response. I don't think the P-Mag is in full effect yet, but I'm starting to look tighter in the mirror in the chest and abs. Arms look full but I'm not sure it's a muscle pump full or maybe some water retention. I'll get out the calipers this weekend and I think the skinfolds will show if there's some bloat.

DJ,
I've heard your Pmag/hdrol idea quite often so I'm gonna say it's not as dumb as you suggested in your post :D But, to be honest, I'm just not seeing the novelty. In my opinion, just pick up 2 bottles of one or the other.

I suspect that people think that stacking causes an additive gains effect. I'm not convinced that will occur with these 2 compounds. I also think that even the popular stacks increase gains slightly, but doesn't sound like it's worth the more difficult recovery in my personal opinion.
 
djwalto said:
Thanks, that is what I wanted to know. So in your opinion is the pmag the better one to choose?
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Whoops, i meant to say it's NOT as dumb (I just edited the post) since other people are thinking the same thing LOL Sorry bout that if the typo sounded harsh brotha DOH!

IMO choose Pmag if mass is your priority. Choose Hdrol if cleaning up bodyfat is your priority. Both should be really close both in terms of mass and fat loss though. Win win IMO.

Day 7

Just a quick update.

Fellas, gyno is most definately down as of last night and this morning. I've been down this road before with getting my hopes up as it seems to roller coaster. But seriously, this is the most noticable decrease in lump size that I've had in a 2 day period. CEL's TD form is the real deal, no doubt about it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Mood is excellent too btw :D
 
good luck with this one man. promag was my first cycle ever and i absolutely loved it no joke...i was depressed whe i found out they banned it. but im so stoked again! great job cel. i know it was my first cycle but i gained close to 20lbs of weight and minimal fat gain. and felt AWESOME the whole time i was on it. ive tried mdrol and im currently running tren but i think promag will always have a special spot in my heart...that said ill be running 2 bottles worth for my next cycle, only sides i got from it were great pump, tighter shirts, and alittle shedding(my dads almost bald anyways so im prone haha)
 
Hey celc I didn't take offense I knew what you meant man!! But yeah I think I will just go with the p mag and then later on use the hdrol with something else. After you finish a pct do u wait for another cycle, is it about the same length as the cycle u were on, that u need to wait for? Like a 6 wk cycle with 4 wks pct so u would take off 10 wks before another cycle?
 
Thanks for the feedback Nasty. From what I've seen, it's pretty close to almost all positive reviews on the compound. And I agree... I think either H-drol or P-mag are excellent first cycle choices. I have some cycle experience, but honestly prefer the mild ones with easy recovery and low incidence of sides.

One side note, Promagnon25 was never banned. I don't think it was ever purposely dicontinued either. I'd assume that a company was thrown together just because they got a good deal on a big batch of the raws. ...or maybe they were offiliated with a company that didn't want to have a ph reputation for some reason :think: But anyways, I'd just assumed they probably just ran out of their supply... just my thoughts and opinions on what could have possibly happened. And now who cares? The CEL clone seems legit so far :thumbsup:
 
celc5 said:
Thanks for the feedback Nasty. From what I've seen, it's pretty close to almost all positive reviews on the compound. And I agree... I think either H-drol or P-mag are excellent first cycle choices. I have some cycle experience, but honestly prefer the mild ones with easy recovery and low incidence of sides.

One side note, Promagnon25 was never banned. I don't think it was ever purposely dicontinued either. I'd assume that a company was thrown together just because they got a good deal on a big batch of the raws. ...or maybe they were offiliated with a company that didn't want to have a ph reputation for some reason :think: But anyways, I'd just assumed they probably just ran out of their supply... just my thoughts and opinions on what could have possibly happened. And now who cares? The CEL clone seems legit so far :thumbsup:
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o ok. thats cool. im def gonna be running it after my tren cycle is over and pct is over. i have awesome memories of those pink star shaped pills. ive messed around with hdrol but cut it short due to no gains. i think i just reponded alot better to promag. GL with your cycle though! ill be checking back in to see what your results are
 
Hey guys, I take sizeOn and superPump250 daily, I think I was ready not to take ore workout drinks and creatine while on cycle, is that correct?
 
DJ,
The popular broski plan is:
Time ON + PCT = time off

However, IMO this is waaay too short of a time period and leads to erratic hormonal issues. I suspect this to be the biggest cause of my mild gyno, of course next to using SD. IMO 1-2 cycles per year is still pushing it. If I were a competitive athlete, I'd push a cycle as often as possible. I'm not, so I don't.

Regarding creatine, I don't use it on cycle. But many use it on cycle and do just fine. I do highly recommend creatine for pct though.

Regarding stims, I TRY not to use them all year unless I'm cutting. Pfft, ask me how that's going LOL (in other words, I probably use them more than I plan to, especially for work). But seriously, ph + stim isn't such a great idea, especially for the 99% who don't actually monitor their blood pressure. Also, I have found that I maintain my gains a lot more easily in pct when I'm not using stims.

Those are all personal preferences and not necessarily backed by science, just what has worked for me.
 
sometimes u gotta use stims to get going when on though...tren is actually making me really tired for some reason. i thought i read most people were kept up during the night with tren....im sleepin like a baby for like 10 hours haha. but yea...if your not taking blood pressure supps dont even think about using stims while on.

im ready for that day 8 update...thats weird that u had a flare up. i never had any problems with promag. o man...i missed where you said mood is awesome...thats one of the whole reasons why i loved it so much. i was in a euphoric daze for like 3 and a half weeks while on promag. mood lift is indeed very awesome.

and btw...you avi creeps me out. and i know you use it on every message board your a member of.
 
Well, I was more referring to actually taking your bp. I think most take BP preventive supps but I'm not convinced that they always work for everyone.

P-Mag didn't really aggravate the gyno. It was there before hand. But, I swear the TD form has it almost gone as of this morning (day8).

Sweet! Glad you like my avi. I'm a fan of badasss villians and it seemed like a cool switch from my old Magwai (Last of the Mohicans) avi.
 
celc5 said:
Well, I was more referring to actually taking your bp. I think most take BP preventive supps but I'm not convinced that they always work for everyone.

P-Mag didn't really aggravate the gyno. It was there before hand. But, I swear the TD form has it almost gone as of this morning (day8).

Sweet! Glad you like my avi. I'm a fan of badasss villians and it seemed like a cool switch from my old Magwai (Last of the Mohicans) avi.
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well im convinced that they work man. ive had high bp even before cycling and i didnt run bp herbs with my first cycle and i know it was high at times. since then ive always used hawethorne berries and celery seeds and never had any issues. i went to the doc the other day when i was sick and my bp was high (checked by the doc AND i knew it was high because i could feel it), started taking celery seed that night and it was completly better by the morning. so, if you ever run into problems with it def run some celery seed, it promise it will help. i always preload hawethorne berries too b4 my cycles
 
Alright Celc I just got my pmag, now am I supposed to take it with food or no? And I work out usually early in am like 5am, do I need to take it before workout or after?? Does it matter?
 
djwalto said:
Alright Celc I just got my pmag, now am I supposed to take it with food or no? And I work out usually early in am like 5am, do I need to take it before workout or after?? Does it matter?
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Doesn't matter. It's methylated so there's no difference from what I understand. I've dosed methyls with and without food personally and don't think it makes any difference IMO.

I think I get a bit of an aggression boost but that's a good 1-2 hours after dosing. It's tough to tell if it's the Pmag or the TD Form, or the combination.
 
Hey celc also did u start out with like one in the am, then one in th pm? Also I see that you are now taking 2 in the am and one later. Is that better than taking 3 all separate throughout the day??
 
I follow the 4 hour rule. Some think that liver supps including milk thistle, and especially Sam-E, can possibly interfere with methyl absorption while protecting the liver. The theory suggests that it takes about 4 hours for a methyl to clear the liver. In which I dose like this as an application of that theory:

First ph dose 8am
First support dose somewhere between 11am and 1pm
Second ph dose between 3pm and 5pm
Second liver support dose before bed around 9-11pm

At 200 pounds, most people who run P-Mag-esque compounds respond well at 75mg as the "sweet spot" for dosing in terms of good gains with minimal sides. So I dose 2 caps for my am dose, and 1 cap for my second dose.

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Edit: Day 9 Stats are up. Page 1, Post #2
 
celc5 said:
I follow the 4 hour rule. Some think that liver supps including milk thistle, and especially Sam-E, can possibly interfere with methyl absorption while protecting the liver. The theory suggests that it takes about 4 hours for a methyl to clear the liver. In which I dose like this as an application of that theory:

First ph dose 8am
First support dose somewhere between 11am and 1pm
Second ph dose between 3pm and 5pm
Second liver support dose before bed around 9-11pm

At 200 pounds, most people who run P-Mag-esque compounds respond well at 75mg as the "sweet spot" for dosing in terms of good gains with minimal sides. So I dose 2 caps for my am dose, and 1 cap for my second dose.

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Edit: Day 9 Stats are up. Page 1, Post #2
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I to follow that protocal

good luck man will have to reade from page 1

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Day 9

17amethyl said:
celc...subbed for the long run brother

keep up the good work man
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For those interested in running P-Mag, don't hesitate to reference 17a's threads. This guy absolutely nailed his Promagnon25 log. Honest feedback, no hype no bs. Top notch info that I got from this man :cheers:

Day 9

Saturday, Apirl 25, 2009

3 Caps P-Mag
1 x 2 CEL Formestane
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Leg workout today. I moved real fast through squats, DB SLDL, Extensions, Calf Presses, and an abs superset. I skipped cardio today because I'm still wiped out from the work week. If I have time after the Pen's game, I'm going to round up the most uncoordinated chumps I can find for a little hoops this evening :head: ...the worse they are, the less silly I feel when I dribble the ball off my foot and out of bounds :run:

I didn't go super heavy today since I moved pretty quickly. But I noticed that I nailed almost all my lifts with really good slow control. No wobbly knees or unstable core, even on my third set of squats. I ALMOST puked a few times, but feel a lot better after my post wo shake.

Day 9 pics are up on page 1, post #2.
 
I'm here celc! Thanks for the invite! Now move over and give me some fckin' room! Just kidding...great log and results so far. I'm watching!
 
Hey celc, Nice to hear the Form is working on removing that Gyno...Lets hope it clears it nicely :)

Read some interesting, but mixed views on Pro-mag before, Sounds like your doing well so far. Hope you enjoy the rest of your cycle bro. All the best :)
 
WilteredFire said:
Hey celc, Nice to hear the Form is working on removing that Gyno...Lets hope it clears it nicely :)

Read some interesting, but mixed views on Pro-mag before, Sounds like your doing well so far. Hope you enjoy the rest of your cycle bro. All the best :)
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I have to pay attention to this...I hear Form clears gyno while you use it, but returns after you drop the Form...Have you experienced this before, Celc?
 
Day 10

Wilted,
I agree. I've seen mixed reviews in the past. But, IMO those reviews are suspect. Maybe they had unrealistic expectations :think:

Irish,
Yes and no. I've had gyno reduction with a stack of form, trione, and Novedex. But it never was reduced in 4-6 weeks of that stack like it has reduced in about 7 days of form solo. Anyway, I've had it down 3 or 4 times, but yes it came back every time.

Day 10

Sunday, April 26, 2009

3 Caps P-Mag
1 x 2 CEL TD Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Today was an upper body power day. I saw a 10 pound increase in my 3 sets of 5 for bench. That's a big deal to me since chest is definately my weakest muscle group when compared to the majority with similar stats. So strength effects of P-mag are kicking in. The rest of the upper body lifts were solid, with 1-2 reps or 5 pounds increase here and there.

I had some cramping in my rotator cuff for the second week straight. That happens to me on cycle all the time, probably because I'm a "squeezer" when it comes to controlled movements and hard muscle contractions. I don't think it's a dehydration issue either. I've had about 1.5 gallons of water already today and still plan to take in a few more glasses here and there.

VPX Glucosacream took care of some of the rotator cuff pain for a short term analgesic. But, it's starting to come back. I'll be using that for a few days I guess.
 
Nice jump on bench. Mine just recently went up as well! Very happy about it. Flat Bench BB Press is definitely my weakest compound lift.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Nice jump on bench. Mine just recently went up as well! Very happy about it. Flat Bench BB Press is definitely my weakest compound lift.
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I wonder if it's because I've always had a balanced workout plan, even as a kid in JrHIgh and HS. I sort of wonder if most other guys at that age worked chest more frequently while I was squatting and pulling. Anyway, lucky for me, I've been blessed with a nice shape to my chest and don't really care how many plates are on the bar anyway. I still enjoy doing chest, but only seem to get stronger in that arena when I'm ON.
 
should one be able to barbell row as much as he/she can bench? because my back is definately the dominant muscle in my body while my chest is average. but i cant barbell row 225, i can barbell row max 185, where i can bench max 245. IS THIS WEIRD?
 
buster0371 said:
should one be able to barbell row as much as he/she can bench? because my back is definately the dominant muscle in my body while my chest is average. but i cant barbell row 225, i can barbell row max 185, where i can bench max 245. IS THIS WEIRD?
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You got a nice V with full/balanced looking shoulders in your avi. Who cares if the numbers are weird or typical :laugh:
 
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