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Thanks Boro... for what its worth, when I started on ap pf prime and recreate I gained ten pounds in two weeks. then in a month I love that plus twenty. and my bf is down 16% based off calipers....

Also will it hurt me if I run it for four months straight... not the prime that would be three. but the ap pf and RC can I run it at four days straight, the last two at 7day doses? or would I lose my benefit.
 
I would do the weights first then the cardio - just my opinion. Supp regime is spot on - used it a number of times with great results :thumbsup:
 
Thanks Boro... for what its worth, when I started on ap pf prime and recreate I gained ten pounds in two weeks. then in a month I love that plus twenty. and my bf is down 16% based off calipers....
That is excellent! Wow! Great work!

Also will it hurt me if I run it for four months straight... not the prime that would be three. but the ap pf and RC can I run it at four days straight, the last two at 7day doses? or would I lose my benefit.
Four months, 12 weeks; is the maximum duration. I am not sure what you mean by the last sentence, please elaborate.

Thanks!
 
i meant to say I've been on pf ap and rc for two months now, and prime for one. I have enough to go two more months, and dont want to stop unless it will stop benefiting me, or hurt me. should I stop or could I take the two more months worth? Also, I take my pf and prime 7 days instead of 5 on 2 off, I have been doing it this way for a month now. Am I good to keep going?
 
i meant to say I've been on pf ap and rc for two months now, and prime for one. I have enough to go two more months, and dont want to stop unless it will stop benefiting me, or hurt me. should I stop or could I take the two more months worth? Also, I take my pf and prime 7 days instead of 5 on 2 off, I have been doing it this way for a month now. Am I good to keep going?

I would cap the use around 12 weeks, take 4 weeks off and continue at that point depending on your goals.

As far as the 7 days per week, I would advise at-least 1 day off per-week for PowerFULL. Anabolic-Pump and PRIME are great at 7 days per-week, but with PowerFULL we recommend at least one day off per week to remain sensitive to the effects.
 
so getting ready to order this stack but I do fasted training, well kinda
right now I am on a lean xtreme dcp lipodrene stack and finishing up a six week run.

looking to stack recreate/anabolic pump/dcp
I am concerned with cortisol backlash from the constant suppression of lean xtreme though, what do you think?

I train in the morning and this is what I take now before training:

5g of glutamine with 10g of powdered complex carbs
1 lean xtreme
1 lipodrene
3 cre-02

post workout
1 lean xtreme
3 dcp
1lipodrene
with my MRP 42/50/10

How should I run this six pack stack? Is my preworkout regimen still considered fasted training?
Not quite sure if anabolic xtreme is ok to take on an empty stomach and should I be doing that?

I'm 6'1
205(down from 221 10 weeks ago)
40/30/30
my diet is clean I follow a modified zone type diet with almost all carbs coming from low glycemic fruits and veggies while I am cutting.

I still have a pad I'm trying to get rid of. I am trying to tear down as much as possible so I can bulk in peace knowing I can lean up in 8 weeks. At 217 I looked like **** due to a long lay off from the gym

Training sessions are
6 days a week
10 minutes of highest incline/resist on elliptical low rep to warm up
80 minutes of weight training standard split system
then 20 minutes of cardio same as above.
ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!
 
so getting ready to order this stack but I do fasted training, well kinda
right now I am on a lean xtreme dcp lipodrene stack and finishing up a six week run.

looking to stack recreate/anabolic pump/dcp
Killer stack.

I am concerned with cortisol backlash from the constant suppression of lean xtreme though, what do you think?
This is something I am not educated enough on, Please bring this up with an AX rep.

I train in the morning and this is what I take now before training:

5g of glutamine with 10g of powdered complex carbs
1 lean xtreme
1 lipodrene
3 cre-02

post workout
1 lean xtreme
3 dcp
1lipodrene
with my MRP 42/50/10

How should I run this six pack stack? Is my preworkout regimen still considered fasted training?
I would not use the carbohydrate supplement. Also, I would add some BCAA with a priority of Leucine into your pre-workout shake, in addition to the Glutamine.

My current fasted-conditioning/GPP protocol is as follows:
30 minutes prior:
3 USPowders Refresh
2 USPlabs Recreate
2 USPlabs SuperCissus Rx
1 USPlabs PowerFULL

As I start 45 minutes of GPP style training [Sled dragging, Tire Flipping, Truck Pushing, Axe/Tire swings, etc.]:
1 USPlabs Anabolic-Pump
10g NP Bulk BCAA
3 scoops of USPowders DominATP
2 scoops of Nimbus Nutrition Poseidon

Immediately Post-training
1 scoop Whey Protein Isolate
1 scoop NP Kwik Karb
1 32oz Gatorade RTD


Not quite sure if anabolic xtreme is ok to take on an empty stomach and should I be doing that?
Please consult with an AX Representative.

I'm 6'1
205(down from 221 10 weeks ago) Great Progress!
40/30/30
my diet is clean I follow a modified zone type diet with almost all carbs coming from low glycemic fruits and veggies while I am cutting.

I still have a pad I'm trying to get rid of. I am trying to tear down as much as possible so I can bulk in peace knowing I can lean up in 8 weeks. At 217 I looked like **** due to a long lay off from the gym

Training sessions are
6 days a week
10 minutes of highest incline/resist on elliptical low rep to warm up
80 minutes of weight training standard split system
then 20 minutes of cardio same as above.
ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!

I would also add that although your cardio schedule is 'adequate :dunno: ', I would recommend adding GPP style work into your layout. Check out this article by world known strength and conditioning coach, Jon Doyle: Invalid Link Removed

Although you may not be an athlete, this style training in combination with the fasted protocol as listed is an unmatched combo. I promise.

Best of luck and let me know if you need anything else...
 
How about my supplementation questions regarding the stack i.e. anabolic pump on an empty stomach?? cortisol backlash? My pre workout supplentation program currently! Need some direction as I am felling a little lost and don't want to waste any more time than i have to cutting, so looking to maximize the next 6 weeks and hopfuly I can get to where I need to be, 6% BF or less.
also what about the other pre workout stuff I'm taking? Is my Pre-workout regimen still considered fasted? I will incorporate gpp type exercises into my cardio routine but in that link you sent it is more principles and not really a routine do you have any more info or links that show different exercises or routines?weighted/non weighted? Does hitting a bannana bag/muay thai kickboxing style qualify as this type of exercise? I don't want to get off topic since I am first and foremost cancerned with my upcoming cycle. Thank you for all your help man
 
Is my Pre-workout regimen still considered fasted?

My only question is: why the 10g complex carbs in the mix?
So no, IMO this is not the optimal set-up if you are trying to do FT..even a small amount of carbs skews this, and will draw blood to the gut for digestion..
AP prior to BCAA/EAA consumption only will help facilitate fatty oxidization for your energy source in the schematic.
 
How about my supplementation questions regarding the stack i.e. anabolic pump on an empty stomach?? cortisol backlash?
No cortisol suppression from Anabolic-Pump, therefore, there will be no cortisol rebound.

My pre workout supplentation program currently! Need some direction as I am felling a little lost and don't want to waste any more time than i have to cutting, so looking to maximize the next 6 weeks and hopfuly I can get to where I need to be, 6% BF or less.
If you are speaking about the "lean xtreme dcp lipodrene stack", i personally cannot comment on it as I have never used LX or LipoDrene.

also what about the other pre workout stuff I'm taking? Is my Pre-workout regimen still considered fasted?
No. No carbohydrate. Stick to the glutamine only or take my pre-workout schedule.

I will incorporate gpp type exercises into my cardio routine but in that link you sent it is more principles and not really a routine do you have any more info or links that show different exercises or routines?weighted/non weighted? Does hitting a bannana bag/muay thai kickboxing style qualify as this type of exercise? I don't want to get off topic since I am first and foremost cancerned with my upcoming cycle. Thank you for all your help man

As far as a routine, there are literally tons of things you can do. I NEVER plan my GPP work. I work my weaknesses and what feels like I am getting the most from that particular day.
 
My only question is: why the 10g complex carbs in the mix?
So no, IMO this is not the optimal set-up if you are trying to do FT..even a small amount of carbs skews this, and will draw blood to the gut for digestion..
AP prior to BCAA/EAA consumption only will help facilitate fatty oxidization for your energy source in the schematic.

BCAA/EAA consumption? Call me ignorant but what is this? I know bcaa is branch chain aminos but what is the other thing EAA? Should I be taking this pre workout with anabolic pump? Got it, I'll cut the carbs. Thanks and keep the help coming.
 
What is your opinion on going from my current stack lipodrene/dcp/leanxtreme
to my next stack recreate/ap/dcp? chances of cortisol backlash? Is it safe to go from one stack to the next? been on my current stack for 6-7 weeks. let me know.
 
BCAA/EAA consumption? Call me ignorant but what is this? I know bcaa is branch chain aminos but what is the other thing EAA? Should I be taking this pre workout with anabolic pump? Got it, I'll cut the carbs. Thanks and keep the help coming.

essential amino acids -- the other 5 aminos (plus the 3 BC's) that the body cannot produce on it's own..
My protocol:
AP upon rising
15min later, begin sipping BCAA/EAA drink (Xtend, Purple Wraath, Core ABC, etc.)
15min following, begin training
**by the start of your training, you should have consumed @1/3 of the drink..this drink will be based on the following formula: .2g BCAA/EAA per LB of BW..so, for a 200lb'er, we're talking 40g
by the halfway point of training, another 1/3 of this drink should have been consumed
save the last 1/3 for the end of the workout, take w/ another AP
follow @20min later w/ your postWO meal, with a generous portion of carbs (complex/simple mix)
 
essential amino acids -- the other 5 aminos (plus the 3 BC's) that the body cannot produce on it's own..
My protocol:
AP upon rising
15min later, begin sipping BCAA/EAA drink (Xtend, Purple Wraath, Core ABC, etc.)
15min following, begin training
**by the start of your training, you should have consumed @1/3 of the drink..this drink will be based on the following formula: .2g BCAA/EAA per LB of BW..so, for a 200lb'er, we're talking 40g
by the halfway point of training, another 1/3 of this drink should have been consumed
save the last 1/3 for the end of the workout, take w/ another AP
follow @20min later w/ your postWO meal, with a generous portion of carbs (complex/simple mix)

the bcaa/eaa mix probably a dumb question but is there a pill I can take? If not which do you recommend for cost/benefit? 40g a workoutx6 workouts a week will add up really fast!!! thanks for the explanation and help.
 
essential amino acids -- the other 5 aminos (plus the 3 BC's) that the body cannot produce on it's own..
My protocol:
AP upon rising
15min later, begin sipping BCAA/EAA drink (Xtend, Purple Wraath, Core ABC, etc.)
15min following, begin training
**by the start of your training, you should have consumed @1/3 of the drink..this drink will be based on the following formula: .2g BCAA/EAA per LB of BW..so, for a 200lb'er, we're talking 40g
by the halfway point of training, another 1/3 of this drink should have been consumed
save the last 1/3 for the end of the workout, take w/ another AP
follow @20min later w/ your postWO meal, with a generous portion of carbs (complex/simple mix)

Also where does the recreate fit into this or does it?
 
the bcaa/eaa mix probably a dumb question but is there a pill I can take? If not which do you recommend for cost/benefit? 40g a workoutx6 workouts a week will add up really fast!!! thanks for the explanation and help.


which one do you think?
 
the bcaa/eaa mix probably a dumb question but is there a pill I can take? If not which do you recommend for cost/benefit? 40g a workoutx6 workouts a week will add up really fast!!! thanks for the explanation and help.
Nah, not a dumb question man..I just gave you my personal protocol. There's a reason I take that amount of BCAA's pre/intra/postWO. I didn't come up with .2g/lb bodyweight out of thin air..you can do what you like dosage-wise.
And you can do tablets if you want, just make sure it's a quality source. I prefer powder -- easier to work with, efficient, and really more cost effective IMO, plus you're not having to swallow 30+ pills or something thru the workout. Right now I'm using both Xtend & PurpleWraath.
 
Nah, not a dumb question man..I just gave you my personal protocol. There's a reason I take that amount of BCAA's pre/intra/postWO. I didn't come up with .2g/lb bodyweight out of thin air..you can do what you like dosage-wise.
And you can do tablets if you want, just make sure it's a quality source. I prefer powder -- easier to work with, efficient, and really more cost effective IMO, plus you're not having to swallow 30+ pills or something thru the workout. Right now I'm using both Xtend & PurpleWraath.

What would be your reason for taking that much? Is that ok to take while on a cut cycle? I do not want to inhibit my fat burning results. What is the science behind the dosage and what will it exactly do while I'm on a fat burning cycle? I am all in, but if you could explain it to me, I would appreciate it.
 
What would be your reason for taking that much?
As a natural athlete, I try to maximize everything that will lead to staying in a positive nitrogen balance..the science of mass BCAA dosing surrounding the workout session is that you can get somewhat of a 'steroid-like' effect for growth & recovery..I've tweaked this process to my own liking, but the idea of BCAA supplementation is tried, true, and not new..
Is that ok to take while on a cut cycle? I do not want to inhibit my fat burning results.
this is the ideal protocol for such a goal! not only does this protect & feed muscle tissue while you're in a fasted state, it encourages lipolysis!
What is the science behind the dosage and what will it exactly do while I'm on a fat burning cycle?
wow, you ask a lot of questions! :lol: the dosage is based on my own research & experimentation, but it has been based in part by Canadian strength coach Charles Poliquin (among others).. you should do some research on the topic, there's lot's of material on the subject..
I am all in, but if you could explain it to me, I would appreciate it.
hope that helps!

And one thing I might add: PowerFULL would be a good addition to your aresenal, def help toward your goals (and fits in perfectly with your planned schematic)..maybe do a bit of reading on that supp as well. :)
 
Maaan, Thank you very much. I ask alot of questions i know. Here comes one more. Do you know what the half life of taking that much aminos in a short period of time is? Basically want to know if it would be toxic on my liver and kidneys at that high of a dosage.. I did something similar in college while playing ball. The strength coach put me on l arginine, ornitihine, and alpha keto glutarate, it was raw and it tasted like death but I definitely gained lean muscle, improved my endurance and got alot stronger. Is this the same concept? At that time the reasoning behind that supplementation was to get bigger. Thanks for your help and patience.
 
Maaan, Thank you very much. I ask alot of questions i know. Here comes one more. Do you know what the half life of taking that much aminos in a short period of time is? Basically want to know if it would be toxic on my liver and kidneys at that high of a dosage.. I did something similar in college while playing ball. The strength coach put me on l arginine, ornitihine, and alpha keto glutarate, it was raw and it tasted like death but I definitely gained lean muscle, improved my endurance and got alot stronger. Is this the same concept? At that time the reasoning behind that supplementation was to get bigger. Thanks for your help and patience.

All right..first of all, just for further understanding of aminos (specifically BCAA/EAA) and their function, let me put up an excerpt from an article by Derek Charlebois:
Amino Acids & Exercise

Only six of the 20 amino acids are directly metabolized by muscle. These six amino acids are: alanine, aspartate, glutamine, isoleucine, leucine, and valine [21, 57]. These six amino acids are metabolized at accelerated rates during exercise [57]. They are also imtermediates that regenerate the aerobic-TCA energy cycle [57.] During exercise, the carbon atoms from these amino acids are unbidden by protein degradation. The Brain Chain Amino Acids (BCAA) and glutamine are then used to synthesize intermediates for use in the TCA cycle.

This is not good for muscle anabolism because the cellular levels of these amino acids greatly impact growth. Therefore when the supply is depleted, growth significantly suffers. Of these six amino acids, alanine, aspartate, and glutamine are nonessential, but isoleucine, leucine, and valine are the essential branch chain amino acids (BCAA), which serve an even greater role in energy metabolism and muscle growth.

BCAA are of extreme importance. BCAAs are absorbed directly into the circulatory system, bypassing the liver, which allows them to be used for rapid protein synthesis. Studies have shown that BCAA directly supply the nitrogen needed to create and export concentrations of alanine and glutamine produced by muscle [21, 30, 55, 56]. Because of this, BCAA concentrations are lowered from any type of exercise. One study showed that BCAA concentrations were decreased by 30% from aerobic exericise and 8-20% from anaerobic/aerobic exercise [30]. The largest decrease in BCAA concentrations were seen in anaerobic exercise, such as weight training [31]. Of the three BCAA, leucine is of greatest importance during exercise.

Transaminiation of leucine's nitrogen to alanine is doubled during exercise [57]. Leucine is the only amino acid that is capable of being completely oxidized in the TCA-aerobic cycle. Because leucine is an EAA, this oxidation capability is not good for muscle growth, as it can quickly deplete leucine levels. Leucine has been shown to directly stimulate protein synthesis and muscle turnover [43, 53], and without leucine, protein synthesis rates are impaired [11]. To make matters worse, leucine has the shortest half-life of all amino acids in the free pool of 45 minutes. This is compared to the 5-10 hour half lives of the other amino acids [30]. It is constantly being oxidized, leaving little for protein synthesis. Leucine levels need to be increased before protein synthesis can excel.

It should be obvious from examining the above information that the protein source used must contain large amounts of EAA, especially BCAA, and with even more emphasis on leucine. Mero showed that consuming a BCAA supplement, with 30-35% leucine, before or during exercise decreased the rate of protein breakdown, improved both mental and physical performance, and had a sparing effect on muscle glycogen levels [30].

To meet the need for amino acids during exercise, a supplement containing high amounts of EAA and especially BCAA is needed. In order for this protein to be as effective as possible, it needs be a fast absorbing protein. Therefore, protein powders such as casein and milk isolate are discouraged because of their slow digestion rates. Egg protein is another option, but it is still absorbed too slow. These slow digesting protein can create an environment in the intestines that competes with the muscles for blood flow.

Now, I quote this because there are some very good points that I think will help you; while I don't necessarily agree w/ the entirety of that piece (hence why I only quoted that portion), this is on point..
As for half-life of BCAA's, very short..
And to answer your fear of liver toxicity (if the article hasn't already), let me just add that high-dosing BCAA's is an actual medical treatment for individuals with liver cirrhosis! :wave2:

Glad to help.
 
awsome man. Thanks for the knowledge. My purple wraath is on it's way and so is my powerfull. Now with the powerfull how and when do I take this? I train 6 days a week is the 5 on 2 off still what I should do?
 
My purple wraath is on it's way and so is my powerfull.
cool! :thumbsup:
Now with the powerfull how and when do I take this? I train 6 days a week is the 5 on 2 off still what I should do?
no sweat: you'll take PowerFULL 6 days/week, abstaining only on your off-training day..
take 3 caps along w/ AP & Recreate upon rising, and take your second dose (2-3 caps) about 1hr prior to bed, on empty stomach.
I like the plan. :bandit:
 
cool! :thumbsup:

no sweat: you'll take PowerFULL 6 days/week, abstaining only on your off-training day..
take 3 caps along w/ AP & Recreate upon rising, and take your second dose (2-3 caps) about 1hr prior to bed, on empty stomach.
I like the plan. :bandit:

Will this conflict with the zmk and 1-caroxy i'll be taking before bed as well? I don't know if that thing has calcium or not. Thanks
 
Will this conflict with the zmk and 1-caroxy i'll be taking before bed as well? I don't know if that thing has calcium or not. Thanks
ZMK is a blend of minerals..no there's no calcium in PowerFULL..
1-C is a component of PowerFULL..

90 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Capsule
Servings Per Container90

Amount Per Serving

PowerFULL (Proprietary Blend) 750mg *
PureSap™(Engineered Extract Sapogenin/Alkaloids From Chlorophytum Borivilianum)
1C-Decarboxylase™(Engineered Extract From Dolichos Pruriens L.)

* Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Gelatin, Cellulose
 
You can dose ZMK/ZMA with PowerFULL. I have done it in the past with great results.
 
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