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Fedor Emelianenko vs Brock Lesnar.

I think the double standard as you perceive it is due to natural weight difference. I think they are fan boys for both who are completely out of touch.

I think if Anderson would move to 205 permanently and dominate then he is #1.

Regarding Fedor, he needs to be more active, that is his only draw back. He has beaten everyone who "matters" outside of barnett, and that will happen soon enough.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I think GSP has a shot at being considered #1 P4P if Fedor does not sign with the UFC and face stiffer, and more frequent, competition.

By no means would GSP be the GOAT, or the best fighter in the world, but the P4P until such time where Fedor faced better competition.
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I will agree that right now GSP has started showing real proof of being one of the best p4p, but he'll never have the undefeated record fedor does. GSP did slip against early Matt Serra but has made it back.

I just think he needs more fights, cause it's hard keeping your belt against tuff competition, but I feel like it's near damn impossible never making a costly mistake after 30 some fights and never getting caught like Fedor has done.
 
IMO, the P4P is like this:
1. Fedor (he has not lost a fight; if you dispute this, then you have never seen the vid or know the rule of that org.)
2. GSP (his loss to Serra, although flukey, keeps me from putting him at #1)
3. Andy (division is too thin)
 
AE14 said:
I think the double standard as you perceive it is due to natural weight difference. I think they are fan boys for both who are completely out of touch.

I think if Anderson would move to 205 permanently and dominate then he is #1.

Regarding Fedor, he needs to be more active, that is his only draw back. He has beaten everyone who "matters" outside of barnett, and that will happen soon enough.
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I am not so sure it is regarding weight, but; rather, due to BJ's aura of natural ability.

I agree with all the rest, though.
 
Rodja said:
IMO, the P4P is like this:
1. Fedor (he has not lost a fight; if you dispute this, then you have never seen the vid or know the rule of that org.)
2. GSP (his loss to Serra, although flukey, keeps me from putting him at #1)
3. Andy (division is too thin)
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Agreed.
 
Rodja said:
IMO, the P4P is like this:
1. Fedor (he has not lost a fight; if you dispute this, then you have never seen the vid or know the rule of that org.)
2. GSP (his loss to Serra, although flukey, keeps me from putting him at #1)
3. Andy (division is too thin)
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My thoughts exactly. And yeah, he has lost a fight, but due to having to move a fighter up the tournament, and also due to an illegal blow... So I don't know how much I can hold that against him seeing he was winning that fight.
 
The Serra fight is most certainly flukey, however, he got caught and lost. I gotta agree with Rodja here, that does hold him back, as that never happens to fedor....amazingly
 
Jessep76 said:
'Poopy pants' :D

I think I laughed so hard I pooped...

just a little
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The funniest thing about Sylvia is that the only fighters he has ever lost to are the elite of the elite HW's. Even now, all of his losses (AA, Fedor, Nog, Mir, Couture) are amongst the top-5 HW's in the world. Yes, he is a goofy bastard and I am not a fan, but I do acknowledge that he is a very, very good fighter.
 
He's goofy but likable. The last time he beat AA his battle cry was "wassup NOW" with a look on his face like he just chugged a beer. Hilarious.

Tim 'frank the tank' silvia
 
I might be wrong, I just think Randy took part of his soul.
Rodja said:
The funniest thing about Sylvia is that the only fighters he has ever lost to are the elite of the elite HW's. Even now, all of his losses (AA, Fedor, Nog, Mir, Couture) are amongst the top-5 HW's in the world. Yes, he is a goofy bastard and I am not a fan, but I do acknowledge that he is a very, very good fighter.
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anderson silva announced he wants to fight fedor as a heavy weight. if he can get the swolls he has a chance to take down fedor.
 
no he dosent, fedor would take anderson down hard. like the guy said above, he is complete package dont belive it youtube some videos. though AS is good verrrrrrry good and deserves his success
 
bla55 said:
Even if, and I'd put a big if, he's just a genetic freak that achieves 285lbs with no sort of gear, ever, he's still fighting at 285 against 230, 245lb guys.

He's a great wrestler, yes, but he uses his brute strength a lot more than fighting skills. Same thing I mentioned about BJ and GSP. BJ is a great at takedown D, and a black belt in Jiu Jitsu. Yet, GSP just dominated him. Do I think GSP is a better fighter than BJ? Yes. Do I think having more skills was the only thing that dictated that fight? No. The 20, 30lbs difference between both fighters played a HUGE role there as well. Hence why they are in different weight classes.

When a fighter has 50lbs on another it's never going to be a fair fight. Do I blame Lesnar for being huge? No. But I don't think it's fair to have him go against someone who may be just 210lbs (just as an example). He's going to have a HUGE edge. Lesnar is not one to blame here, the UFC is for allowing this huge disparity between fighters. And that's why they wouldn't create a 225lb class, because if they did noone would give a damn about 225+ as it would be pretty much a weight class of Lesnar and... Lesnar...

And ok, I didn't know he was 285 at college, but heck, just look at football players. Some of them more than obviously take gear and never get caught. One that has recently brought up those "rumors" is Cushing from USC. Invalid Link Removed

All I'm saying is, weight difference is a huge factor, and fighting smaller fighters is a huge edge already.
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Considering the UFC doesnt handle the testing (The NSAC does) theres really no way for Lesnar to get around the testing outside of HGH. Not to mention Lesnars physique now is one that isnt nearly as tight as it was when he was with the WWE.
 
MacTruck33 said:
I love Fedor but in MMA anyone can be beat. I think Lesnars size and power would pose a problem depending on how good Lesnars Jitz defense is.
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Not very good judging by his outing with mir, and fedor has sambo, not just any submission skills, but possibly the best.
 
russianstar said:
Not very good judging by his outing with mir, and fedor has sambo, not just any submission skills, but possibly the best.
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It's not just his grappling (although he has a sambo background, he has adopted many BJJ techniques as well) that makes him so dominant, it's his burst, cardio, and ability to adapt to each fighter.
 
russianstar said:
Not very good judging by his outing with mir, and fedor has sambo, not just any submission skills, but possibly the best.
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I think Lesnar would lost just based on Fedors submissions. Fedors just as good on his back as he is standing and would be right at home wrapped around the arm of Brock.

See Mark Coleman fight for what would happen.
 
I think Lesnar poses problems for any heavyweight out there, just based on size and athleticism for that weight. With that said, his sub defense will have to be better to beat Mir (who I think he was well on his way to beating the first time, prior to the stoppage), and if he were ever to fight Fedor, it would have to be a strength and not an aspect that still needs to grow.

If they met now, I dont think that fight lasts 2 minutes, prior to fedor subbing him
 
As much as I like Lesnar and am hopeful of his potential, in the world of MMA fighting talent, Fedor is:

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Granted at Lesnar's size and strength, anyone can be KO'd by a timely (or randomly flailing) punch by Lesnar, but Fedor isn't just a good fighter talent wise, he's a smart fighter too. I think a Lesnar/Fedor fight, would look like Lesnar bulldogging around and looking like the aggressor for the first 2 min and once Fedor has assessed his opponent and developed a strategy, then it'll be all downhill.
 
VolcomX311 said:
As much as I like Lesnar and am hopeful of his potential, in the world of MMA fighting talent, Fedor is:

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Granted at Lesnar's size and strength, anyone can be KO'd by a timely (or randomly flailing) punch by Lesnar, but Fedor isn't just a good fighter talent wise, he's a smart fighter too. I think a Lesnar/Fedor fight, would look like Lesnar bulldogging around and looking like the aggressor for the first 2 min and once Fedor has assessed his opponent and developed a strategy, then it'll be all downhill.
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couldnt agree with you more
 
u cant hate on a guy for being big....hes been tested as much as anyone else....if he is on gear...hes good enough not to get caught....if not then hes a genetic freak...either way, lesnar may not be the best, but dont bash on him for using his size to his advantage.....thats like saying a guy with a great stand up only wins cause he knocks people out
 
mytime09 said:
Tell me you wouldnt wanna see this fight happen. Fedor would lay a beating on Lesnar and expose him like the joke he is. Fedor needs to be in the UFC and needs to end this Lesnar parade. . Dana should definitely look into this one.
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danas tried to get fedor in the ufc but he has failed numerous times. fedor never likes the contract that dana offers. im not sure if its a bad contract offer or if fedor doesnt want to be in the ufc. but i would like to see him lay a beating on lesnar.
 
im definately biased lol, n i would say that fedor is the best fighter at his weight right now let alone any weight. i know that brock might be a good bit heavier thn him, but i really don't thnk that really matters. idk if that fights ever going to happen, n i actually dont want fedor to come to the ufc for a couple reasons but thats besides the point. i know weight plays a roll but, i kno people that ive beat that were 40-60 lbs heavier thn i was whn i wrestled. fedor's definately the man n i dont have to say that, but im also a brock fan withn the ufc. if they do fight im rootin' for fedor just because but i guess we'll see lol
 
dana imo is doing to lesnar as the shaw kid did to kimbo(sorry for mentioning his name)...picking fights to gain credibility, also fedor isn't as marketable as lesnar is and they wouldn't make as much money with fedor as champ imho
 
its nothing like kimbo. kimbo faught shitties. lesner beat hearing and cotoure. yeah u can say hes old but he was in good shape and rocked both of them. lesner might not be that good but u cant compare him to kimbo. i dont think dana has a hardon for him asmuch as he does for like rampage and gsp
 
seabass said:
dana imo is doing to lesnar as the shaw kid did to kimbo(sorry for mentioning his name)...picking fights to gain credibility, also fedor isn't as marketable as lesnar is and they wouldn't make as much money with fedor as champ imho
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Wow thats a tad ludicrous. Imagine putting Kongo against Lesnar. Or any top 10 UFC HW against Lesnar. Sure people will want to see it.
Now imagine putting any top 10 UFC HW against Fedor. You wanna talk about marketability ? You are talking quadruple the numbers and thats being conservative IMO. Fedor has the power to keep 1 company above water.
Just one fighter.
 
Jessep76 said:
Maybe Chuck can get out of his contract by Aug 15th and pack on more weight and get a go at him.
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this has to be some inside joke im missing out on right!? you can't be serious. that would be the worst/most one-sided fight of all time. could this in any way be an entertaining fight for anyone other than chuck haters who just want to see him instantaneously dismembered in the ring? :dunno:

chuck needs to stop assaulting my eyes w/ his inability to do anything but an overhand right. i got it 3 years ago, and i get it now. he might as well just stand there twirling his f$cking arms like a helicopter and daring people to come get him.
 
Serious in that he'll only get fight's once he's out of his contract should he choose to continue fighting and companies like Strikeforce/Affliction(if it lasts)/maybe Dream(though they seem to have good fighters so I'd advise against this),etc will be his only avenue's to go to. Obviously this match up would be almost impossible weight wise let alone ability. Although Dream had some crazy weight match ups so you can't say never:D But nobody is implying that chuck would give Fedor a run for his money. Say for shits and giggles that Chuck did join Affliction... you can't tell me that they wouldn't entertain the thought of this match up. It might just be the fight that saves their shirt selling asses.
 
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