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Super Cissus RX vs Supraspinatus tendon tear EXPERIMENT/Case study
A lot have been said about this product. As such I am inclined to give it a test under strict conditions. The reason being - I feel I am the perfect candidate for this job, drug free for live and supplement free for the past one year. In the past I have only taken Creatine, Protein and tried sida cordifolia on an irregular basis. Been training without any supplement aid for the past year. I will only be taking Cissus RX for the duration of this experiment.
The test subject: (as described by the my Oestopath, with minor editing)
Date: 16 Feb 2009
Mr D is a 25 year old PhD student who is an exceptionally active mixed martial artist (kickboxing, karate, Muay Thai and MMA) and weight lifter. He seems to have good systematic health. He came to see me on 11 Feb to discuss two problems. This included a one year history of left anterior knee pain as well as a six month history of anterior left shoulder pain, which was more acute.
Mr D trains heavily in the gym on at least six days a week and he is extremely muscular, if not over developed in the deltoids, chest and other anterior muscles. There are no neurological symptoms and he has no head or next pain.
On examination it seems likely to me that he has bicep tendonitis, particularly affecting the long head (MRI results later revealed that bicep tendon seems normal), and that this is probably due to over use and his anterior shoulder position. Mr D also has an unstable A/C joint which he can sublux easily.
With regard to the left knee, the original injury seems to have been a hyperextension kick, and while he has full range of motion and there is no report of locking or giving way, the history suggests a meniscal problem. On examination, McMurry’s test was negative but there is a palpable lateral anterior horn bulge on full flexion of the knee. In addition there is patella-femoral crepitus and roughness on translation. Meniscus lesions are obviously outside the scope of the osteopath and I would consider sending him for an orthopaedic opinion.
Date : 4 March 2009 AM (as Described by Consultant Orthopaedic Surgeon)
Mr D is a pleasant 25 year old PhD student who has left shoulder pain and left knee pain. His left shoulder pain has been insidious in onset over the last few months whilst he has been doing heavy weight training. He describes pain on overhead activity which limits his movements and he has a dull ache (slight burning or tired sensation) generally within his shoulder. He describes his left knee pain as starting a year ago whilst he was kickboxing. He had an extension type injury and felt immediate pain over the retropatellar area of his knee which took some time to settle down. However it then improved for a while year before there was slight recurrence of his symptoms, again while kickboxing. He does not describe any effusions, instability, hip pain or groin pain.
On examination there is no effusion within his knee. He has tight iliotibial band with poor patellofemoral mechanics. He has some retropatellar tenderness. He has no tenderness over the joint line. Cruciate and collateral ligaments are intact.
Examination of his left shoulder shows a good shoulder countor. There is some minor tenderness over the biceps tendon on deep palpation and some midly positive impingement signs but there is nothing terribly spectacular. Othewhise his shoulder examination shows a full range of movement which is relatively pain free.
I am confident that he has anterior knee pain on the left side but not entirely sure wheather he has true bicep tendonitis or not. We are organizing an MRI scan of his left shoulder and we will see him again once this is done. I will organize physiotherapy for his knee. ( I am still convinced that my knee is not right and I might need the MRI as well which he did not suggest for the knee, but he’s the expert not me)
Date: 4 March 2009 PM (as described by Consultant Radiologist)
MRI on Left shoulder
Clinical details: Painful shoulder, tender biceps ? cause
Findings: The alignment of the glenohumeral joint is within the normal range. The supraspinatus tendon is irregular and atrophic (****! Atrophic!!!) There is little evidence of any significant residual high signal associated with the tendon but the appearances are abnormal and are likely to be consistent with a tear of the supraspinatus tendo. (Does that mean they can’t see my tendon?, is it a full or partial or tear?, where is the tear located? near the humerus? ). The tendon of subscapularis appears within the normal range as does infraspinatus. The signal characteristics at the head of the humerus and glenoid are within the normal range with no evidence of any significant abnoramality. The longhead of bicep is seen to life within normal anatomical position with no detectable abnormality. No other abnormality is seen.
The doc rang me up and said I have a tear on my supraspinatus (rotator cuff), but i forgot to ask him if it is a full or partial tear.
Cissus RX is my last hope before a cortisone shot or surgery. I have tappered down my training since Christmas as the pain gradually got worse. Have not lost a lot of weight but lost a lot of strength probably a few pounds of muscle. Now that I can't train it will be interesting to see how long I can keep my shape. For the past one year I was training hard without breaks and supplements, 6 -7 times a week at the gym, but I am paying the price now. It is depressing as I am lacking the feel good hormones I get everyday when I look forward to a good lifting session
any advise on the dosage? or my shoulder and knee? I have spent well over a thousand dollars in private health care, something which I cannot afford as I am a student but probably only fellow anabolic heads can understand my predicament as we all value our training and performance to the point that it's almost impossible to put a monetary value on it. Any shoulder and knee specialist and radiologist? I have digital copies of my MRI
Will keep you posted,
A lot have been said about this product. As such I am inclined to give it a test under strict conditions. The reason being - I feel I am the perfect candidate for this job, drug free for live and supplement free for the past one year. In the past I have only taken Creatine, Protein and tried sida cordifolia on an irregular basis. Been training without any supplement aid for the past year. I will only be taking Cissus RX for the duration of this experiment.
The test subject: (as described by the my Oestopath, with minor editing)
Date: 16 Feb 2009
Mr D is a 25 year old PhD student who is an exceptionally active mixed martial artist (kickboxing, karate, Muay Thai and MMA) and weight lifter. He seems to have good systematic health. He came to see me on 11 Feb to discuss two problems. This included a one year history of left anterior knee pain as well as a six month history of anterior left shoulder pain, which was more acute.
Mr D trains heavily in the gym on at least six days a week and he is extremely muscular, if not over developed in the deltoids, chest and other anterior muscles. There are no neurological symptoms and he has no head or next pain.
On examination it seems likely to me that he has bicep tendonitis, particularly affecting the long head (MRI results later revealed that bicep tendon seems normal), and that this is probably due to over use and his anterior shoulder position. Mr D also has an unstable A/C joint which he can sublux easily.
With regard to the left knee, the original injury seems to have been a hyperextension kick, and while he has full range of motion and there is no report of locking or giving way, the history suggests a meniscal problem. On examination, McMurry’s test was negative but there is a palpable lateral anterior horn bulge on full flexion of the knee. In addition there is patella-femoral crepitus and roughness on translation. Meniscus lesions are obviously outside the scope of the osteopath and I would consider sending him for an orthopaedic opinion.
Date : 4 March 2009 AM (as Described by Consultant Orthopaedic Surgeon)
Mr D is a pleasant 25 year old PhD student who has left shoulder pain and left knee pain. His left shoulder pain has been insidious in onset over the last few months whilst he has been doing heavy weight training. He describes pain on overhead activity which limits his movements and he has a dull ache (slight burning or tired sensation) generally within his shoulder. He describes his left knee pain as starting a year ago whilst he was kickboxing. He had an extension type injury and felt immediate pain over the retropatellar area of his knee which took some time to settle down. However it then improved for a while year before there was slight recurrence of his symptoms, again while kickboxing. He does not describe any effusions, instability, hip pain or groin pain.
On examination there is no effusion within his knee. He has tight iliotibial band with poor patellofemoral mechanics. He has some retropatellar tenderness. He has no tenderness over the joint line. Cruciate and collateral ligaments are intact.
Examination of his left shoulder shows a good shoulder countor. There is some minor tenderness over the biceps tendon on deep palpation and some midly positive impingement signs but there is nothing terribly spectacular. Othewhise his shoulder examination shows a full range of movement which is relatively pain free.
I am confident that he has anterior knee pain on the left side but not entirely sure wheather he has true bicep tendonitis or not. We are organizing an MRI scan of his left shoulder and we will see him again once this is done. I will organize physiotherapy for his knee. ( I am still convinced that my knee is not right and I might need the MRI as well which he did not suggest for the knee, but he’s the expert not me)
Date: 4 March 2009 PM (as described by Consultant Radiologist)
MRI on Left shoulder
Clinical details: Painful shoulder, tender biceps ? cause
Findings: The alignment of the glenohumeral joint is within the normal range. The supraspinatus tendon is irregular and atrophic (****! Atrophic!!!) There is little evidence of any significant residual high signal associated with the tendon but the appearances are abnormal and are likely to be consistent with a tear of the supraspinatus tendo. (Does that mean they can’t see my tendon?, is it a full or partial or tear?, where is the tear located? near the humerus? ). The tendon of subscapularis appears within the normal range as does infraspinatus. The signal characteristics at the head of the humerus and glenoid are within the normal range with no evidence of any significant abnoramality. The longhead of bicep is seen to life within normal anatomical position with no detectable abnormality. No other abnormality is seen.
The doc rang me up and said I have a tear on my supraspinatus (rotator cuff), but i forgot to ask him if it is a full or partial tear.
Cissus RX is my last hope before a cortisone shot or surgery. I have tappered down my training since Christmas as the pain gradually got worse. Have not lost a lot of weight but lost a lot of strength probably a few pounds of muscle. Now that I can't train it will be interesting to see how long I can keep my shape. For the past one year I was training hard without breaks and supplements, 6 -7 times a week at the gym, but I am paying the price now. It is depressing as I am lacking the feel good hormones I get everyday when I look forward to a good lifting session
any advise on the dosage? or my shoulder and knee? I have spent well over a thousand dollars in private health care, something which I cannot afford as I am a student but probably only fellow anabolic heads can understand my predicament as we all value our training and performance to the point that it's almost impossible to put a monetary value on it. Any shoulder and knee specialist and radiologist? I have digital copies of my MRI
Will keep you posted,
