mathis50262
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Nolva 30/20/20/10 mg, PCS 2 Caps A.M./2 Caps P.M. Dhea 200/200/100/100 mg, Fenugreek 3/4/5/6 caps, 1 scoop cycle support.
1st M Drol Cylce
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Nolva 30/20/20/10 mg, PCS 2 Caps A.M./2 Caps P.M. Dhea 200/200/100/100 mg, Fenugreek 3/4/5/6 caps, 1 scoop cycle support.
Jayhawk34
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I know what you mean. I was the same way. A couple times I would have to go sit down for a bit because I couldn't hardly stand. This next time I'm going to try to prevent it as much as possible. Have either of you run into joint pain so far? I really don't want to go back through the whole thread again lol. I have some pretty bad shoulders and didn't load up enough before I started the hdrol I think. At times my shoulders were giving me some serious pain (DB Shoulder Press) to the point where I stopped early. I'm in need of surgery, but am holding off for as long as possible. I did get some bulk cissus part way through to add to my gluco/chond and didn't notice much change. I'm not on a multi with added joint support and they seem to be a bit better in general, so I'm hoping that with a pre-load of others it won't be quite as bad. This again was probably in the 5th week or last.
guapitomark
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Where are the pix? B4 & after????
mathis50262
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No i didn't take one either! I keep thinking about it, kicking myself in the ass. I was too excited to get started.
mathis50262
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Day 22
Well I think I would have had the same results if I would have ran 20/20/30. The majority of my gains came in the 1st two weeks. I'm still holding a 211, so I'm +14, but haven't put any more weight on for about 5 days or so. I feel great other than some back pumps and my boys are pretty shutdown. I think I'm going to run until this weekend, if I dont post a pound or two, I'm going to save my organs the pain and hit up PCT. It will only be cutting it short by a few days, but if I'm not putting on anymore weight, I don't see any point in my body through the undue stress. Any thoughts??
It would be nice to get some lebido back!!
Well I think I would have had the same results if I would have ran 20/20/30. The majority of my gains came in the 1st two weeks. I'm still holding a 211, so I'm +14, but haven't put any more weight on for about 5 days or so. I feel great other than some back pumps and my boys are pretty shutdown. I think I'm going to run until this weekend, if I dont post a pound or two, I'm going to save my organs the pain and hit up PCT. It will only be cutting it short by a few days, but if I'm not putting on anymore weight, I don't see any point in my body through the undue stress. Any thoughts??
It would be nice to get some lebido back!!
angel77
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that's what I did bro. I was shooting for 4 weeks but my weight stopped climbing and i noticed a few more blood pressure spikes as well as lower back pumps. no sense in hurting yourself if gains aren't climbing. cheers..
mathis50262
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How is your pct going? How far in are you? How were the 1st couple days? Hold your weight?
angel77
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weighed in at 205 last night. haven't dropped very much at all so far. You'll lose a few lbs of bloat & water and it actually feels really nice. Strength is still there. I've actually went up on most lifts. today is day 6 of PCT. Next weeks lifts will determine how much I'll keep. I have cut back on my carbs as well. I'm leaning out for summer so I know I'll lose a little strength but I want to be shredded.
Boyders
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Mathis I was thinking the same thing. 28 days would bring me at and including Monday but I am going to hit arms today and legs tomorrow with some hard core squats, or vice versa then start pct on saturday. My libido and nuts are toast. DHEA is making me tired in the morning again. But mostly, my appetite is totally waning which is definitely a sign that I need to cut it short. I also am getting that "your body is getting used to it" feeling like I'm building a tolerance or something. Anyways.. gonna start my diesel test tomorrow am and nolva tomorrow night instead of my last pm dose of mdrol.
mathis50262
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I know exactly what you mean! I could defanitly got the full 28, but I feel there is no point. Save my body for another cycle this winter. Well lets keep the log going with pct progress. I just tore up the back and bi's! I will start pct in the morning, and take the next to days rest. I am up to 211 as of this morning, +14. I am going to fight with every last breath to keep 10. Ya I know crazy, but I'm going to give it hell!
Boyders
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The way I see it, the last week of more gains is still important because I think it solidifies the gains. We'll see I guess but I reckon we'll both be plus 10 at the end of pct. If I drop below that I'm hoping it is because the lean xtreme I have will help slim down some bf % points. I fully plan on sharing my progress through pct and see how you do. I look forward to feeling normal again. OH YEAH!! o man ok so the last few days I have been completely emotionally unstable. I cried like a bitch during the last 30 minutes of Benjamin Button 2 days ago and even watching bolt that cartoon movie gave me a bit of a stir. I dunno wtf is going on with that. but man 1 minute I'll feel the primal aggression then the next I'll be a delicate flower. I hope this isn't a small peak of pct!
mathis50262
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Damn bro, that sucks. Did you ever read that thread that Monsterbox did?? He got all ****ed up off mdrol and pplex.
mathis50262
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Ya, ya I know. Time to cut. Trust me it's coming right after pct. I have been bulking for about 6 months. Start the cut, shave the chest, and start to tan for the summer. 211 now, want to cut to around 195 or so..
Ya, ya I know. Time to cut. Trust me it's coming right after pct. I have been bulking for about 6 months. Start the cut, shave the chest, and start to tan for the summer. 211 now, want to cut to around 195 or so..
Jayhawk34
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Haha that is exactly how I'm feelin. I actually got a little carried away with the trimmer this morning and shaved it all off. I am whole lot more wooly than that though lol. But I do need a tan as bad or worse than you. You both are having me a bit worried with the shutting down right now. I was actually going down pretty good at the end of my 6week halo. I think my last 4 weeks were at 75 though which might have been why. At least this time I'll know in advance to not depend on all OTC for pct.
mathis50262
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Nah, you shouldn't shutdown two hard at all, if you have a solid pct. Your run is not near as harsh as mdrol. Did you make some nice gains??
Ya, I'm not too wooly, but it just grows in random places. It's either f ucking grow, or be gone!!! It's annoying
mathis50262
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Oh man it's nothing like that. I'm stable. Sometimes those movies kinda get to me, I have to be honest. This time it just seemed a little extreme. But in no way am I tweakin out to the monsterbox level.. that cat got messed the f up.
BTW that hair is nothing, you should see me
Ya he did. That was f ucking nuts!! I think it was all the perscription sh!t that he was taking with it. Who knows though.
mathis50262
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Ha! I know exactly what you mean!! I just do feel right!! Like all my manhood is gone!
Jayhawk34
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Well my next is probably going to be mdrol here soon. I made very nice gains on hdrol last time and was considering running it again, but would like to give this a go first. I had some awesome strength gains while on it. I kept probably 8 pounds or so after pct but should have kept more I think if my natural test had come back to normal sooner. I'm hoping that it won't be much worse with the shorter cycle of mdrol. Honestly I would rather just run some test but there are few reasons keeping me from that right now lol.
mathis50262
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Would recommend running it 10 for the first few days, if all is well go to 20/20/30. I think with this compound 3 weeks would be primo!
mathis50262
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Hey boyders, how are you dosing your Nolva?
mathis50262
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Day 1 PCT
Nothing to note, he he he..... Lets keep it that way
Nothing to note, he he he..... Lets keep it that way
ibanezman08
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clomid ran like this will get your libido back in good shape
100/100/50/50
100/100/50/50
mathis50262
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Your running mdrol 8 weeks?
mathis50262
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Ya it does taste pretty s hitty! I just mix it with a little oj in a glass, and then chase it with oj or my protien shake. Its starting to do the trick though, slowly the boys are coming outta hibernation.... Bloat has started to subside as well.
mathis50262
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Ya, a few months out. Just got back form the gym, strength is still holding, pushed 275 bench like nothing. So I tried 315, just barley couldn't get it!! F uck, oh well.... Weight is up to 213!!! Up another pound, and losing bloat!!
Edit: my balls are droping as well.
Edit: my balls are droping as well.
Jayhawk34
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I think I might start that way. I've been reading quite a few others that went for 3 also.
Jayhawk34
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Would you take that over Nolva for this? Or would you be using both at some point? I have seen you on another forum and in some other threads and you really seem to know your stuff. Diet, cycles and pct encyclopedia! Don't remember the name of the other forum but the thread was about dbol and orals in general and not just using them as a jumpstart.
Jayhawk34
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Scratch those previous questions of mine. Just looked back at the first page and noticed you had answered BOTH of my questions already lol.
mathis50262
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Im telling ya man, just listen to your body. If you handling 10mg ok, go to 20mg, dont just jump to 30mg just because ibenezman said to. I would try 10/20/30. Bet you gains come in the first two weeks, and the will be no need to run it longer than three weeks.
mathis50262
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PCT Day 4
OMG, WTF!!! You have got to be kidding me!!!!! Ok, so I thought this was post cycle thearpy????? So I went and hit the bench today.. My bench last week was 285x3. Tried 315 Saturday, couldn't push it.... Today, 315x3!!!!!! Seriouly what is going on? Not complaint, I f ucking love it. My skull crushers, they went from 90 lbs, s hit today I pushed 110 lbsx8... Appetiete, Great!!! Libido, coming back slowly. Balls, dropping. Back pumps gone. Dropped down to 30mg nolva today. So all is GREAT!!! I bet I could have maxed around 325 or so!!! I'm just going to keep the cals up and lifting as heavy as possible and keep all these gains!!
EDIT: People keep coming up, "dude, your getting f'ing huge!" :dance:
OMG, WTF!!! You have got to be kidding me!!!!! Ok, so I thought this was post cycle thearpy????? So I went and hit the bench today.. My bench last week was 285x3. Tried 315 Saturday, couldn't push it.... Today, 315x3!!!!!! Seriouly what is going on? Not complaint, I f ucking love it. My skull crushers, they went from 90 lbs, s hit today I pushed 110 lbsx8... Appetiete, Great!!! Libido, coming back slowly. Balls, dropping. Back pumps gone. Dropped down to 30mg nolva today. So all is GREAT!!! I bet I could have maxed around 325 or so!!! I'm just going to keep the cals up and lifting as heavy as possible and keep all these gains!!
EDIT: People keep coming up, "dude, your getting f'ing huge!" :dance:
angel77
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I completely relate. I'm on day 10 PCT Clomid 100mg daily and I saw gains again on bench. Convincing gains. I am definately a fan of Superdrol. What's nice is actually feeling NORMAL after coming off and still being able to press the weight. i feel fantastic. Cheers on your run man. Keep them gains...
mathis50262
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No doubt bro, I'm a definately a huge fan! The best thing about it is, I stopped early.. Basically ran 20/20/30. Sh!t, thats only 3 weeks of pct, even tho I'll run 4. I never imagined that I would be pushing 315 this early, let alone 315x3!! What a euphoric feeling!!! Love it!!
Boyders
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I was just going to comment on this exact same thing. My strength is still way up and I cranked out a few extra pounds on the incline bar tonight. So far pct is a good thing. I had a rough weekend though. I dropped the taurine and dhea soon as I dropped the mdrol but I think it took a couple days to clear my system so I ended up really lethargic and finished the weekend with back pumps and a migraine. Feel great today though. I definitely feel that I've stopped taking mdrol. I think those last few days at 30mg were really taking their toll on me.
I've been taking 4 caps of dthc the last few days but I haven't felt the same things other people report such as aggression and whatnot. Perhaps that is because I'm coming off cycle as opposed to just running it normally. I start my lean xtreme this friday which I'm excited about. As I'd mentioned, I hoping this helps me lean out even more. I decided to start it on the second week of pct because a bunch of people say start at day 15 and a bunch say start at day 1 so I chose the middle ground. If it is suppressive at least I've given my nuts a solid week of recovery.
I only took 2ml nolva for the first two days which is about 30mg active ingredients. Down to 1.5ml a day now which is 20mg (accounting for the less concentrated citrate).
Good call on running it 4 weeks though Mathis. After all, we did run it longer than 3 weeks. I did 25 days all together, how many did you do?
I've been taking 4 caps of dthc the last few days but I haven't felt the same things other people report such as aggression and whatnot. Perhaps that is because I'm coming off cycle as opposed to just running it normally. I start my lean xtreme this friday which I'm excited about. As I'd mentioned, I hoping this helps me lean out even more. I decided to start it on the second week of pct because a bunch of people say start at day 15 and a bunch say start at day 1 so I chose the middle ground. If it is suppressive at least I've given my nuts a solid week of recovery.
I only took 2ml nolva for the first two days which is about 30mg active ingredients. Down to 1.5ml a day now which is 20mg (accounting for the less concentrated citrate).
Good call on running it 4 weeks though Mathis. After all, we did run it longer than 3 weeks. I did 25 days all together, how many did you do?
mathis50262
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I ran my cycle 22 days total. I saved my dhea for pct, starting 200mg. I feel f'ing great!! My libido could come back a little faster, but it is slowly on the rise. Thats one thing nice about my Nolva, 1ml/20mg, and 20mg of citrate contains 20mg of Tamo.. Helps with the math...
mathis50262
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Do it. I would recommend 3 weeks. 10 for a day or two to adjust then 20/20/30.
ibanezman08
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that's how it is
you keep gaining even half way through PCT.......
and then............you CRASH!
get ready to loose some strength but do everything you can not to loose it if you know what i mean. it's gonna happen.
you keep gaining even half way through PCT.......
and then............you CRASH!
get ready to loose some strength but do everything you can not to loose it if you know what i mean. it's gonna happen.
Boyders
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1ml/20mg but 20mg citrate is not 20mg tamoxifen. I am having trouble finding the post but only the tabs are 20mg and though 1ml=20mg, the alcohol suspension dilutes the active ingredients by roughly 50% so you need to dose 1.5ml to get 20mg tamoxifen for example.
mathis50262
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This is straight of where I get it from "Note: The weight of the citrate is taken into consideration and the product is indeed 20mg of tamoxifen per milliliter"