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nsmoney's Epistane Cyc

nsmoney1

nsmoney1

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Hey everyone,

I'm starting my first epistane cyc next week.. Could you please criteque if you think I'm missing anything? I appreciate any help you can provide

Epistane- (was going to pre-load cyc support but Im still waiting to get it)
week 1 - 20mg, CYCLE SUPPORT, multi vita, fish oil
week 2 - 20mg, CYCLE SUPPORT, multi vita, fish oil
week 3 - 30mg, CYCLE SUPPORT, multi vita, fish oil
week 4 - 30/40mg, CYCLE SUPPORT, multi vita, fish oil
week 5 - see how I feel, may just shoot for PCT

PCT- (I may run PCT longer but Ive heard its not necessary w/ epi)

week 5 or 6 - Toremifene 90mg, STOKED!, cyc support, multi vit, fish oil
week 7 - Toremifene 60mg, STOKED!, cyc support, multi vit, fish oil
week 8 - Toremifene 30 mg, STOKED!, cyc support, multi vit, fish oil

Ill be upping my daily calorie intake to up around 5000 cal. I'll try to keep it as clean as possible but I will be using True Mass and obviously lots of whey protein to help out.

any suggestions?

thanks!
 
I'd wait till you can preload the cycle support.

I'd also stagger your test booster (stoked in this case) a week . so start it at week 7 and run the whole bottle

I'd also dose Epi at 20/30/30/40. Most people like 30 over 20, so itd be better to get there a little quicker. 40 week is optional...could probably keep at 30 and still make gains so decide on that when u get there. If you're still seeing good gains, keep it at 30 as the sides become a bit more pronounced at 40...so if you can avoid that it might be smart
 
thats pretty hardcore, lol

i think ill start off with like 20 and make my way to 40.. im startin this up wednesday so well see how it goes
 
yes hes right -- not hardcore at all


just finished mine at 50mg last 3 weeks

30/40/40/40/50/50/50
 
im just saying that cause ive never run a ph.. thanks for the heads up though. if I need to up it i def wont be waiting around

Also, I train after work around 6-6:30.. when would you recommend I dose? i was thinking half at like 5 and the other half after at like 8-8:30.. i know your not supposed to dose too late, does it keep you up or something?
 
i'm on day 4 of my cycle and just bumped to 30mg and gonna run that for about 10days or so then bump to 40mg and take it from there. after listen to everybody including Ibanezman - 20mg sounds like its pretty weak but i'm also lot heavier (230#)
 
Knowbull said:
Exactly what are the differences?
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It seems to be unknown but there is anecdotal feedback that gains seem to be better on havoc, but sides are more pronounced as well

I dont know if its a dosage thing, a different compound or if its all just coincidental but id sure like to know
 
Knowbull said:
Exactly what are the differences?
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half my 7-8 week cycle was with Havoc/other half Epi

Havoc gave greater pumps, I can notice more gains, more sides esp night sweats.....

Epi--- didnt notice nearly as much as Havoc-- wont do it again--

Next is Trenadrol for sure-- stacked with???? (not decided)
 
nsmoney1 said:
any input on my dosing set up?

does epi keep you up if you take it late like 9-930?
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I cant comment on if it will keep you up, some say yes but I will tell you that I notice that I dont sleep straight through the night on Havoc..Ive been having very vivid dreams and I usually wake up for a minute but have no trouble going right back to sleep.

Also, as far as dosing goes, I think some of the guys in this section have used a bunch of PHs and they really push it with their recommendations.

My philosophy is to use the minimum amount where you can still get good gains. Not only does this minimize sides but it also makes it so that your body doesnt get so much of a tolerance to the compound. I have used some PHs and I'm into week 2 gaining fine on just 20mg. Theres no reason to push the dose up until you forceably bring sides on. Start low and assess how your body responds. 20mg is a good start for a couple weeks. Then ramp it up if your feeling froggy
 
BigMattTx said:
I cant comment on if it will keep you up, some say yes but I will tell you that I notice that I dont sleep straight through the night on Havoc..Ive been having very vivid dreams and I usually wake up for a minute but have no trouble going right back to sleep.

Also, as far as dosing goes, I think some of the guys in this section have used a bunch of PHs and they really push it with their recommendations.

My philosophy is to use the minimum amount where you can still get good gains. Not only does this minimize sides but it also makes it so that your body doesnt get so much of a tolerance to the compound. I have used some PHs and I'm into week 2 gaining fine on just 20mg. Theres no reason to push the dose up until you forceably bring sides on. Start low and assess how your body responds. 20mg is a good start for a couple weeks. Then ramp it up if your feeling froggy
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Yes agree with BigMatt about the dosing. Always start low to see how you respond esp. with sides.

Also agree sleeping was disturbed with Havoc but I didnt have the vivid dreams, but what woke me was the night sweats (first 10 days-14 days or so then subsided) and feeling very warm; I didnt use any blankets.

Again, I never felt this with Epi, just Havoc.

Though the sides were a slight pain in the ass, I knew it was in my system for sure.

Be sure to get some baseline bloodwork as it did alter my lipids and liver enzymes though not a lot at all. MD wasnt impressed.
 
epi is very mild on your liver proably the most mild methyl ever I took 40mg for 5 weeks and liver test came back fine its not the best seller for nothing.
 
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