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first cycle

tompa6313

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hi all ..iv been training for a few years now and have been thinking of getting on the gear for a long time ...iv decided to go for a 8 week course using dbol (oral) 25-35mg ed for 5 weeks then clomid 100mg ed week6 then nto 50mg for the remainder ....what do you think of this or any other suggestions you want to throw my way will be gratefull ...cheers.
 
y not just do test-e for 8-10 weeks? thats a good starting point. from my understanding i dont think its a good idea to take dbol alone..someone correct me if i am wrong
 
u will explode on Dbol only but i highly doubt u will even keep half the gains even with a good pct and diet. my suggestion is run test 500mg/week for 10-12 weeks
 
because of the crazy water rentention, gains will be lost pretty fast.

research tbol (turanabol i think it's spelled). there's less bloat/side effects/liver toxicity with it.

but even on tbol, you'll loose a lot of the gains.

i like orals cycles because they DO make you progress but very slowly. it's like taking 2 steps forwards, and 1 1/2 steps back!
 
Well im going to do my first cycle as well and the 2005 anabolics reference manual
Says good beginner cycles are

1. deca 300mg a week for 10weeks and d-bol the last 7 weeks at 20mg a day

2. equipoise at 250mg weeks 1-10 and test e weeks 2-11 at 250mg a week

im thinking of running test e at 600mg a week for 12 weeks just to keep it simple my first time. I could add the eq to make my hunger skyrocket so I can consume the needed calories to grow. I know you probably don’t want to inject but it is less stressful than d-bol on your liver good luck with your cycle
 
IMO, dbol only cycle's are a waste of time and money. You will more than likely loose more than half of your gains. Yes, you will feel great while on and get some decent gains, but whats the point if they don't last past PCT? They're plenty of other designers out there that will provide good results by running oral only. Save the dbol for when you have test and use it to kickstart a longer test cycle. For your first cycle, if you want to get into injectables, run Test for 10 weeks at 500mg per week.
 
what other orals will give good results and keep most of the gains? iv heard that turanabol is good but expensive too
 
Dbol only really is a waste of time, money and healt, dude. If you wanna run an oral only cycle, pick some winny. When we compare all non-aromatizable orals, stanozolol gets the first place.
 
tompa6313 said:
yeah but winny on its own isnt going to make me bulk up its main use is to cut am i right?
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No, winny can be useful im many bulk cycles and its a very good lean mass agent. I dont know why some guys insist to say winny is a cutting drug, it doesnt have any lypolitic effect, like masteron and tren. Yeah, you can use it when you are cutting, it will give a more hard and solid apparence, as it is a DHT derivate and lacks of estrogenic activity.

So, you can use winny for cut and for bulk. Why winny and not dbol?

The psicologic effect when you got the so called hormonal crash is very hard to administer. First, you gain 8-10lbs, everybody notice it, you are lifting like hell, and them you start to shrink and again everybody will notice. Not enough, you go to the gym and lift like a sissy after lose 4-5 pounds. If your diet is not okay (and your trainning protocol too) Im pretty sure you will lose the other 4-5 pounds afterall.

If you opt to use dbol only, at least add some arimidex in the 2 last weeks of your cycle, so the hormonal crash wouldnt be that hard.
 
tompa6313 said:
what other orals will give good results and keep most of the gains? iv heard that turanabol is good but expensive too
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Superdrol (or any of it's clones) and Epistane both are great compounds. The first cycle I ever ran was an M1T cycle, however it is very toxic and some wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, but I personally love it.
 
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