Darkhrse99
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I gained 10 lbs on m1t at 10mg a day. The only pain I had was lower back pain halfway in then it went away. I still have the weight I gained from it 2 1/2 weeks in to my pct.
Best Prohormone?
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Dyou
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100% agreed and i lol'd a the 20 ppl who voted for it
GMG760
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Because M1T can kill you.
sp447
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sp447
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Only if you are a retard and don't know how to dose it, is highly toxic on the liver but the gains are incredible.
GMG760
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I wasn't saying that M1T will kill you. I know plenty of people who have used it effectively... it's just the simplest way of me saying, the reason people don't like to use M1T is hat it is extremely hepatoxic, to the point where if you don't get blood tests to make sure you are ok, then there is a chance that it could severly damage one's endocrine system and in theory it could kill you.
M1T is not worth the gains to sides ratio in my opinion. You would be much better off taking something else, legal or illegal.
BTW, have you ever ran M1T? If you haven't you have no place to talk about it in such a manner, it is not something that should EVER be recommended as a compound, even with "dosage warnings"... it should be one of those USE AT YOUR OWN STUPIDITY compounds. And if you have ran M1T, the fact that you are 5'11" and 165 lbs is sad.
sp447
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Then maybe you should think about what you type the first time.
I haven't used it and I don't recommend it. I never encoruage the use of anything related to the use of steroids or PH's. I don't have to use it to know what it does, I've seen it. I could talk about meteors that doesn't mean I have to travel through space first
In the hands of a responsible user, it's relatively safe, but thechincally speaking, injecting is the safer way to go.
JerryCurl
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How in the hell can you make claims on these 4 supps??!!
Wheather you've taken them or not, ur advice holds no weight.
Ur 5'11" a buck 60! I **** bigger than you!
Maybe you should go find the Kitty rides little boy, because you obviously have no idea what ur talking about.
Dyou
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you dont have to be big to know what your talking about... and the post he made was correct, dont have to take it back to pre k with the "im bigger than you"
JerryCurl
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Read the whole thread girly-man.
And know one what said you have to be big to have knowledge. The lids a moran wheather he's 145 or 245.
So take ur girly frame some where else, ur not wanted around these parts.
I think i crapped out something around ur size today too!
Dyou
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your posts are just spewing intelligence
inmymind801
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Methyl-1-Test is supposedly the strongest one, but it does have the harshest sides. I'd go with Anadrol or Superdrol. =]
GMG760
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Anadrol has some pretty harsh sides in of itself.
sp447
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x2. Anadrol is basically your free ticked to the Liver Transplant List and to the Plastic Surgeon because Gyno is almost guaranteed
13bret
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yeah phera is good for bulking(also good for murdering cholesterol levels)
xjohnnymac
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which is the best for getting muscle mass .. bulk up more..
D-STIANIZOL ... H-Drol ... S-Drol ... Trenadrol..Methyl 1 D..or Mass Tabs
which is the best recommended here .. and why?
D-STIANIZOL ... H-Drol ... S-Drol ... Trenadrol..Methyl 1 D..or Mass Tabs
which is the best recommended here .. and why?
dezzy84
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I agree. A waste of time. No offense.
xjohnnymac
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Which one is best for mass gains / bulking up? thats what i want to know
BigMfer
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xjohnnymac
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Hows S-Drol? Anyone know or have experience with S-Drol?
GMG760
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Sdrol is a superdrol clone made by fast action pharmaceuticals. I've taken CEL's Mdrol and it was good. Harsh, but good.
GMG760
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Honestly, epi was better than superdrol IMO. Just me.
nickrut
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haha...you'd be surprised with how many people agree with that.
superdrol is probably one of the most polarizing PH/DSs in that it has its die hard supporters and die hard haters. Some feel the sides arent worth the gains while some feel little sides and love being able to put 15 lbs on in 3 weeks haha.
Then again, I don't think I've ever seen any1 that didn't like havoc/epi
GMG760
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Super killed my appetite. Which means it was probably my liver it was thrashing. It took me 2 weeks off it to get my appetite back. I gained about the same on both, and epi was drier for me. I think I ate a lot more on epi, and kinda slacked on the diet on mdrol... simply because I had NO appetite. I really tried hard to eat 6 times a day, I just couldn't get down what I needed to blow up those 15 lbs. I lost more after Mdrol than epi.
In all honesty I am looking forward to hdrol the most, which will be my next run... well not quite.
My next cycle is gonna be
hdrol
xtreme tren
feraguno
and 1T.... :twisted:
xjohnnymac
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So, what would you guys say should be taking for a first time PH user?
im new to this kind of thing so im not sure what kind of PH i want to take..
im new to this kind of thing so im not sure what kind of PH i want to take..
GMG760
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Well, do you want to bulk or cut?
Non-methylated product - go with MMV2 by LG sciences
Methylated - I would suggest Hdrol by CEL.
jamesb2525
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superdrol should be on this list
xjohnnymac
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GMG760
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Well, Hdrol I suppose. Most people gain around 10-12 lbs their first time using it, and it is pretty mild for a methyl. It is a steroid though, not a PH.
If you wanted a pro-hormone, I guess MMV2 is the easiest to get your hands on, but it won't put a ton of weight on you.
Androstendiol would by my choice of PH, however it is really tough to find these days. I have 2 bottles and doubt I'll be able to get my hands on more.
xjohnnymac
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Okay what about Havoc, or is that too much for a first time user?
xjohnnymac
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okay what about Havoc, or is that too strong for a first time user?
and is this what your talking about, AMS 1-Androsterone .. or is that something diff?
and i heard H-Drol is more like a cutter not to bulk .. S-drol is more to bulk? true or not?
and to help with the liver when taking any of this, what is best to be used during the cycle and then is Novedex XT alright for taking as a PCT?
and is this what your talking about, AMS 1-Androsterone .. or is that something diff?
and i heard H-Drol is more like a cutter not to bulk .. S-drol is more to bulk? true or not?
and to help with the liver when taking any of this, what is best to be used during the cycle and then is Novedex XT alright for taking as a PCT?
GMG760
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Havoc, Epistane, etc is fine for a first timer. It is stronger and harsher than hdrol though. Both yield similar gains and are dry. Both can be used to cut... but both will give you around 10lbs of lean muscle in 4-5 weeks if you eat right and train hard.
Sdrol is still a lean gainer, it just gains really fast.
Phera and Max LMG are both wet gainers.
From the sound of things though, it doesn't sound like you have done enough research to be running steroids. These compounds are steroids and need a real PCT. You should have a serm onhand, and even if you don't want to use it for PCT, you should have it. PCS or PCT assist, or T911 are good PCT test boosters, but you really should have a serm in my opinion.
I wasn't talking about AMS's 1-AD. I was talking about the original 1-AD, which is 1-androstendiol. Not 1-androsterone. They both convert to 1-Testosterone, however 1-androstendiol converts at more than double the rate that 1-androsterone does, as it has one less conversion to make. This hormone is banned and is really hard to find these days. But you asked about pro-hormones, and I told you about pro-hormones. Remember, Hdrol and Epi/Havoc are both steroids like Phera and Superdrol.
As far as pro-hormones that are accessible to buy these days, you pretty much have 1-androsterone, 4-DHEA (called 4AD by AMS), 1-T by PP, MMV2 by LGsciences, and 3-AD. I think most of what else is sold are designer steroids. Oh yea, and there is I-force's bold.
xjohnnymac
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Okay so which do you believe would have the least amount of side effects sdrol havoc or hdrol..and since you seem to know alot, pick one of those then give me a serm and pct to go along with it so i know what im working with here
nickrut
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hdrol is definately the lowest sides. Wouldn't require a serm either but if you insisted on using one you could do nolva: 20/20/10/10 and start a natty test booster in week 3 of PCT.
Also could go reversitol + natty booster OR Cel post cycle assist + inhibit E.
xjohnnymac
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a natty test booster? like what give example..
and whats the diff between nolva and novedex xt?
and do i need that post cycle assist by CEL?
and whats the diff between nolva and novedex xt?
and do i need that post cycle assist by CEL?
GMG760
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Oh christ.
Nolvadex is a brand name for the chemical tamoxifen citrate. It keeps you from growing man boobies and brings your nuts back to normal after a cycle. It is a SERM. Other SERMs are Clomid or Clomephine Citrate to be exact, and Toremifine Citrate. I prefer Toremifine. Novedex XT is an aromatase inhibitor made by gaspari nutrition. The name is mispelled on purpose to help sell their product which is NOT nolvadex NOR a serm.
Hdrol has the least amount of sides. Whether or not to use a serm really depends on the dose. If you keep the dose low, you probably won't need a serm for a 4 week run. If you run a high dose, or go longer than 4 weeks, I'd recommend a serm.
Nolvadex is a brand name for the chemical tamoxifen citrate. It keeps you from growing man boobies and brings your nuts back to normal after a cycle. It is a SERM. Other SERMs are Clomid or Clomephine Citrate to be exact, and Toremifine Citrate. I prefer Toremifine. Novedex XT is an aromatase inhibitor made by gaspari nutrition. The name is mispelled on purpose to help sell their product which is NOT nolvadex NOR a serm.
Hdrol has the least amount of sides. Whether or not to use a serm really depends on the dose. If you keep the dose low, you probably won't need a serm for a 4 week run. If you run a high dose, or go longer than 4 weeks, I'd recommend a serm.
xjohnnymac
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Okay so if i run the low dose, i wont need a serm? so what would i take as a PCT then if i am running the low dose for 4 weeks? and during this cycle of Hdrol, just milk thistle is alright ?
GMG760
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Well, it depends on how safe you want to play it.
I would use cycle assist by CEL as my support supplement. Then I would use PCT assist or PCS for post cycle therapy. I would also use something like Diesel Test Hardcore, or perhaps LG's T911.
I would have a SERM on-hand no matter what. Some people say you don't need a serm. I have never cycled without one.
xjohnnymac
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What serm would you recommend on a dose of Hdrol
and the diesel test hardcore and t911 .. are those test boosters or what
and the diesel test hardcore and t911 .. are those test boosters or what
nickrut
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Do wayyyy more research before you jump into this please. not trying to be a **** but if you are asking these type of questions, you are no where knowledgeable enough to risk this. I know you learn by asking, but you gotta have some baseline knowledge...
GMG760
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Yes they are natural testosterone boosters. I would say to read other people's hdrol logs and copy a successful cycle.
I would suggest knowing what steroid the hormone you are taking converts to, or IS for that matter, and the doses that are successful.
Serms are research chemicals, so supplement companies can not sell them. Therefore, many times the suggested PCT is NOT enough, but they can not legally tell you what is.
I suggest toremifine, but if it is to hard to aquire I suggest tamoxifin. Torem is ran 120/90/60/30, or if it was a small cycle 60/60/30/30.
Tamoxifen should be ran 20/20/10/10 for a hdrol cycle that stays under 100mg ED.
Listen, you can copy either my original epistane cycle it was titled "when in doubt, empty the magazine, GMG760's Epistane cycle"
Or Timberlakers "Timberlakers Hdrol Beatdown" .
Both are complete logs of epistane and hdrol runs respectively. Both had good results, and successful pcts.
They will be backlogged, so it may be best to just search them in google.
There are hundreds of hdrol and epistane logs on this board. Read through 5-6 of them. You will gain a ton of knowledge.
Click on my name and click the "find more posts from user" link. Go far enough back and you will find my cycles. They are CHOCK FULL of info.
You should do the rest of the research on your own. Set up your cycle in a log, then send me the link to it. I will critique it for you before you run anything and get you set up right.
You learn a lot more from doing your own research instead of just going by what I tell you to do.
I would suggest knowing what steroid the hormone you are taking converts to, or IS for that matter, and the doses that are successful.
Serms are research chemicals, so supplement companies can not sell them. Therefore, many times the suggested PCT is NOT enough, but they can not legally tell you what is.
I suggest toremifine, but if it is to hard to aquire I suggest tamoxifin. Torem is ran 120/90/60/30, or if it was a small cycle 60/60/30/30.
Tamoxifen should be ran 20/20/10/10 for a hdrol cycle that stays under 100mg ED.
Listen, you can copy either my original epistane cycle it was titled "when in doubt, empty the magazine, GMG760's Epistane cycle"
Or Timberlakers "Timberlakers Hdrol Beatdown" .
Both are complete logs of epistane and hdrol runs respectively. Both had good results, and successful pcts.
They will be backlogged, so it may be best to just search them in google.
There are hundreds of hdrol and epistane logs on this board. Read through 5-6 of them. You will gain a ton of knowledge.
Click on my name and click the "find more posts from user" link. Go far enough back and you will find my cycles. They are CHOCK FULL of info.
You should do the rest of the research on your own. Set up your cycle in a log, then send me the link to it. I will critique it for you before you run anything and get you set up right.
You learn a lot more from doing your own research instead of just going by what I tell you to do.
xjohnnymac
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Okay thanks guys..do you know a site or something possible to get tamoxifen?
xjohnnymac
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It'd be great help if you could write , lets say a "proposed" cycle log of H-Drol, because i am getting very confused on what not to take because it doesnt work pre and/or during the cycle, and then for the PCT im not completely sure how many supplements should be takin..im a newbie at this stuff im sorry guys.
GMG760
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You are not allowed to say on the boards, it will get you banned. I suggest you don't ask this again. Email is the best way to exchange this kind of information. PM me for my email.
You know bro, I probably write a proposed hdrol/epistane cycle for people once a week. I think this is the last time I am EVER going to do this.
Remember, there is a little "search" window in the upper corner of your browser. Typing in the questions you have there and doing a bit of reading can work wonders for finding the answers that you seek. Nobody has a problem helping you out, but asking people to do the research for you is bordering on laziness, and makes me wonder whether you are really ready for steroid use or not. But I would rather you do it right the first time, for your own health's sake.
Here is a free one, you do the research next time.
What not to use on cycle:
Pre-workout powders/creatine/caffeine of any type. You don't want your blood pressure going haywire, and caffeine will do that to you. It is what cut my first cycle short. Save the creatine/arginine/beta alanine for when you are in PCT to help keep your gains.
No alcohol starting 2 weeks prior, all the way through PCT. Period.
Pre-cycle Supports: start 2 weeks prior, load milk thistle 1gm a day, spread into 2 doses. Load hawthorne berries 1 gm a day, spread into 2 doses.
On-cycle Supports: It is cheapest to get a all in one support supplement for your organ support like Cycle Support or Cycle Assist.
Fish Oil: 2-10 grams a day
Joint Support: Super Cissus, Osteo-Sport, etc...
Cycle:
Hdrol - 50/50/75/75/100. You don't have to dose to 100 if you don't feel you need it. Hdrol kicks in AFTER week 2, so you should run it 5-6 weeks.
PCT:
IMO you need a serm. Tamoxifine:20/20/10/10 or Toremifine: 60/60/30/30
Natty Test booster: Diesel Test Hardcore, T-911, Post cycle support, etc.
Aromitase Inhibitor: starting week 3 of your PCT, 6oxo 300mg, each week drop the dose 100mg. So starting week 3 of your PCT, 300/200/100 .
Cortisol Control: Lean FX, Lean Xtreme, 11oxo, etc. Starting week 3 of PCT.
Any creatine, PWO powder, arginine etc that you want to use.
Follow this guideline and you should be dandy. I made it as extensive as possible, some people might say this is a little much for Hdrol, but this is the "better safe than sorry" method.
Most important supplement: GOOD Protein Carbs and Fats. Eat clean, eat big.
There you go. Happy cycling.
nickrut
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good info. I don't like 11oxo as part of PCT though. STick with Lean FX or Lean Xtreme IMO.
Can also use clomid for PCT
GMG760
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I don't like recommending clomid as a PCT to beginners. I think it has some emotional side effects that they don't need to deal with their first time around.
I agree with the Lean Xtreme statement though. if dosed too high 11oxo would be counter productive.
nickrut
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I feel like both clomid and nolva have plusses and negatives. I've heard people feeling like complete **** on both, so in my book they are almost equal on that aspect.
