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Pick it apart, please :)

So, now that Mullet has entered the arena, I'm surely contemplating reversing the compounds. Tren at the beginning for 6 weeks, and NPP to finish things out.
 
mixedup said:
ozark besided p5p have you thought about vitex or chasteberry also otc and heard can help
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I'll be running Cycle Assist along side all of this, hopefully that'll do.

As for Vitex, I've definitely heard about it for prolactin sides.. will need to do more research to figure out specifics though.
 
Sorry it took so long Oz, my comp crapped out on me and is getting fixed.

My suggestions:

- Run tren in the beginning, im on 75mg eod now and will probably bump it to 100mg eod
- Npp dose looks fine (100mg eod correct?)
- HCG (IMO) should be run during the cycle as to keep the boys working so recovery will be easier. 250iu 2x a week, last shot the day the test-e ester clears...wait 4 days and then begin PCT.
- caber should be on hand, but thats ur call
 
nosnmiveins said:
Sorry it took so long Oz, my comp crapped out on me and is getting fixed.

My suggestions:

- Run tren in the beginning, im on 75mg eod now and will probably bump it to 100mg eod
- Npp dose looks fine (100mg eod correct?)
- HCG (IMO) should be run during the cycle as to keep the boys working so recovery will be easier. 250iu 2x a week, last shot the day the test-e ester clears...wait 4 days and then begin PCT.
- caber should be on hand, but thats ur call
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No biggie man, computer probs suck ass.

I will more than likely do tren in the beginning. I'm actually thinking about just sticking with Test prop for the whole 12 weeks. That'd be sweet. I could do 6 of Tren and 6 of NPP. Can you think of any other, possibly better, compounds to end the cycle with besides NPP?

You're correct on the NPP dose, btw.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
No biggie man, computer probs suck ass.

I will more than likely do tren in the beginning. I'm actually thinking about just sticking with Test prop for the whole 12 weeks. That'd be sweet. I could do 6 of Tren and 6 of NPP. Can you think of any other, possibly better, compounds to end the cycle with besides NPP?

You're correct on the NPP dose, btw.
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depends on ur goal, i cant remember what u said. NPP would be great for a bulk. winstrol would be great for a cut.
 
nosnmiveins said:
depends on ur goal, i cant remember what u said. NPP would be great for a bulk. winstrol would be great for a cut.
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So long as I get down to the bf% I want to be before the beginning of the cycle I'll be going for a lean bulk. I'll surely have a caloric surplus going on, but it won't be anything ridiculous. Anyway, the last 3/4 of the cycle is definitely planned to be a lean bulk.
 
I would still avoid ending on a Nandrolone - due to the SHBG effects I mentioned - but that is just me. Again, it all depends on one's personal response; given that you have run neither of these compounds, though, I would air on the side of caution.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I would still avoid ending on a Nandrolone - due to the SHBG effects I mentioned - but that is just me. Again, it all depends on one's personal response; given that you have run neither of these compounds, though, I would air on the side of caution.
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Just to be sure, ending like this isn't exactly unheard of, right?
 
I don't know if this has already been said or not, but I would not run hcg while in pct. hcg is suppressive and would hinder your recovery. I would use it at like 500iu 2x per week at least two weeks before starting pct.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Cautious is my second middle name, right after my first middle name, which is Klondike.
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Haha, I bet.

In reality, though, you have to ask: "Why am I using both of these compounds?" Surely, the answer is not because one needs to but rather one feels that the gains from stacking both will be exponentially greater. Will that be the case? Who knows. What is likely, though, is that the risks of both direct and indirect sexual side-effects will be increased, particularly due to your inexperience with either compound.

I would choose your Test Blend, your Nandrolone, and have a great time, as opposed to muddying the situation with three compounds.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Haha, I bet.

In reality, though, you have to ask: "Why am I using both of these compounds?" Surely, the answer is not because one needs to but rather one feels that the gains from stacking both will be exponentially greater. Will that be the case? Who knows. What is likely, though, is that the risks of both direct and indirect sexual side-effects will be increased, particularly due to your inexperience with either compound.

I would choose your Test Blend, your Nandrolone, and have a great time, as opposed to muddying the situation with three compounds.
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Not once during the cycle will I overlap all 3 compounds. I had assumed that this would be an 'ok' thing to do. Were you aware of this when making this suggestion?
 
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I don't know. I'm all for recovering like a champ post cycle. Mullet, you've got me thinkin' now.. dammit!

Maybe Dymethazine to round out the last 4 weeks. That'd be sweet!
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Not once during the cycle will I overlap all 3 compounds. I had assumed that this would be an 'ok' thing to do. Were you aware of this when making this suggestion?
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I am. I was alluding more to this statement:

Just to add to the above. A general caveat is always put forward regarding long-esters, that they must be ceased in a timely fashion due to ester cleaving. However, many of the compounds we utilize enact metabolic processes which carry out long after the compound itself has been excreted from the body. This is particularly important when considering one's plan of action of P.C.T., If, say, one's SHBG is rocketed past normal physiological ranges due to PgR stimulation, no amount of Tamox and/or Clomid and/or natural test booster is going to significantly expedite your recovery. The lasting physiological effects of each compound must be considered with just as much, and if not more, specificity as its respective clearance time.
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bro, make up your damn mind
now you're throwing superdrol in there. geez.

you should've did something simple like

test e 500mg ew 12 weeks
deca 400mg

pct

clomid
50/50/50/50/50/50
nolva
40/40/40/20/20/20

if really "all about recovering like a champ" you'll listen to me and up your nolva dose and extend the whole pct to 6 weeks.

and add some dostinex in there!!!
 
nosnmiveins said:
i like it, but whats ur reason for mast?
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I've read good things about adding it to a test cycle, plus, I've read some very positive opinions about masteron period.

I figure it'll cut down on bloat, help me cut any fat I've got left, and help to make the test more effective.. basically.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
I've read good things about adding it to a test cycle, plus, I've read some very positive opinions about masteron period.

I figure it'll cut down on bloat, help me cut any fat I've got left, and help to make the test more effective.. basically.
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it also is a good AI on cycle from what i hear. 12 weeks of EOD pinning is going to blow.....but probably be well worth it.
 
nosnmiveins said:
it also is a good AI on cycle from what i hear. 12 weeks of EOD pinning is going to blow.....but probably be well worth it.
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To be honest, I'm a little excited about it.. lol. It'll be a hell of an accomplishment in my mind, or, I'll make myself believe it is.

I'm thinking quads, glutes, and delts.. I've always worried about pinning delts though.. is it usually a pretty good spot?
 
nosnmiveins said:
i found delts to be really easy and pretty painless. quads suck though...the 2 times ive pinned ive hit a nerve....no fun
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Ha.. yeah man, quads are touchy. I've found that if I measure a hands-length straight up from the top of my kneecap that I usually stay free of nerves.
 
do not use masteron unless you are really low in bf, I would suggest using winny, as it stacks real well with test, gives real good strength and will help to harden gains up at the end. Do not end with a deca compound, will make recovery harder. Test+winny was one of my fave cycles when I used, and yes I also used masteron and test, it was real and I dosed it fairly aggressively (500 mgs per week), it was ok, but winny was better and cheaper.
 
isoc said:
do not use masteron unless you are really low in bf, I would suggest using winny, as it stacks real well with test, gives real good strength and will help to harden gains up at the end. Do not end with a deca compound, will make recovery harder. Test+winny was one of my fave cycles when I used, and yes I also used masteron and test, it was real and I dosed it fairly aggressively (500 mgs per week), it was ok, but winny was better and cheaper.
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Interesting. Don't take this the wrong way, but, can I get some info on your stats? Body type, bf, weight, etc...

Haven't seen you around the boards much. Just a precaution :)
 
No problem. 36 yrs old 5'9" currently 210, visible abs so guess around 12% bf, not big or ripped, but decent shape so people think I am big, above avg gym guy at this point, been lifting since high school. Did first cycle after senior year, sustanon 250 redi-jects from Mexico, dabbled a little in college, stopped when got married out of college, got divorced and then ran for 3 yrs straight, blast and cruise style. It was during this time I had great source and ran just about every popular type of juice, this was about 2000/2001 to 2003/2004. I was never mass monster, but extremely well conditioned for not competing, sub 10%, so vascular in arms normal people would say I was gross, got married again, stopped, then got divorced again, and have made the decision not to go to darkside, too much legal risk at this point of life for me. I made a lot of bad mistakes when running heavily and just dont want to see time, or money wasted and too much risk. If I were to do it over again, I would go with lower dosage, and less compounds. Each person will respond a little differently, I never did like deca, preferred eq. Winny was one of my all time faves, really reacted well to it. Some of my advice is from my own personal likes/dislikes, but others is what I have experienced myself and from others I have known/read over the years, such as take it easy on dosage and limit compounds. IMHO, test, with dbol kickstart for 4 weeks, followed by test with winny 5-6 weeks to end and harden gains is near perfect cycle. If I ever went to darkside again, I would do this twice a year 350-500 mgs of test, 25-35 mgs dbol, 200-300 mgs winny. You are definitely doing your research and that is good, I think you will be fine, alot of smart people here, I am old and tend to err on the side of safety. Best of luck, and be safe, I am just here to help if I can!
 
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