College Football 2008 season
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tchsdrummer06
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So you think that I would be afraid to say that to you? You are from Cali. By association, you are a homosexual. That would mean that you have sex with men and vote for Democrats.
That's not good.
CopyCat
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I can care less either way how you guys feel about each other, but that was one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.
rubberring
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Correct. My apologies if I was unclear before.
That's profound.
Definitely. Everyone in the entire state is a homosexual. The Tuscaloosa County school system has certainly done their job.
Yes, if I am homosexual... that is pretty much what it means. It seems you are extremely knowledgeable on the topic.
Right, there is no such thing as a Republican homosexual. It's science.
Hey buddy, while you're here... blow my mind with your thoughts on moral philosophy and define good. Trauma and I were just discussing this earlier. Trauma believes, as Aristotle and Aquinas have stated, that all human actions aim at some end, which is thought to be good. I tend to disagree with him on the matter, and lean more towards Moore's perception. Moore claims that good is a simple, non-natural property, and because of this is absolutely indefinable. It's a radical claim to make, for sure.
Trauma and I tried to reconcile our views, but alas... our debate came to a standstill, as neither of us could convince the other to modify our respective position. Any thoughts you might have on it would certainly be insightful, and Trauma and I welcome a fresh perspective from a person as educated as yourself.
Just try not to use words like f#ck or f#ggot... or intelligence.
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rubberring
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I have a feeling there's really only one Bama person in this thread, but I feel ya... it's just hard to refrain from clowning. I've had enough of his milkshake. I'm finished. There Won't Be Blood.:lol: I'll block him, so I'll no longer have the temptation.:thumbsup:
rubberring
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This is classic!!!
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rubberring
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Well, if there was the slightest chance of Florida taking OU too lightly... this guy Franks just f#cked that up!
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Trauma1
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LOL! - Talk about the wrong thing to say.....
Don't people ever learn that saying sh*t like this never benefits them in the end. Thanks for adding some more motivation to florida's cause, franks....you dumbass! :thumbsup:
Outside Backer
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many lulz on the last 5 pages
i hope a bomb drops thursday night and both teams lose cuz i hate them both more then the bcs all together lol
but to many lulz were had
i hope a bomb drops thursday night and both teams lose cuz i hate them both more then the bcs all together lol
but to many lulz were had
OldGator
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Then I'm dead.
Just stay away from Section 417 (UF sideline - 20 yard line)
GO GATORS!!
rubberring
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Is it just me... or is FOX just the worst network for sports imaginable? The video and sound quality of some of their pregame/halftime stuff is bush league. These babbling amateurs who are calling the Texas-OSU game are pure comedy.
"Tim... (long, uncomfortable pause)... have you... well, have you noticed both Texas and Ohio State... have had trouble getting the ball into the end zone tonight?"
"(Another awkward pause) Well... it's... it's a 6-3 ballgame at halftime."
It's the same Captain Obvious routine all night!:icon_lol:
"Tim... (long, uncomfortable pause)... have you... well, have you noticed both Texas and Ohio State... have had trouble getting the ball into the end zone tonight?"
"(Another awkward pause) Well... it's... it's a 6-3 ballgame at halftime."
It's the same Captain Obvious routine all night!:icon_lol:
atjnutrition2
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Well, another Big ten loss last night. I love it. Wasn't someone on here saying they thought the Big ten would go undefeated in the bowls?
OldGator
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Pac 10 will "win" because they are 5-0 while all other divisions have at least one loss.
What does it mean?
Apparently not much according to John Wilner of the College Sports Hotline:
"The Pac-10 was on the muddled second tier of BCS conferences … far, far below the SEC and Big 12 … probably alongside the ACC and Big East … maybe a notch better than the Big Ten …
Do the bowl results change all that?
I’ve always felt that the postseason should be part of the equation that determines the conference heirarchy, but not the entire equation. A few wins in December should not render irrelevant weeks of regular-season results.
Does Arizona’s victory over BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl entirely offset the MWC’s advantage over the Pac-10 (based on that 6-1 head-to-head record)? Not in my mind. But it serves to narrow the gap.
Clearly, 5-0 is an impressive performance. But let’s not make make the Pac-10 into something it’s not — and it’s still not the equal of the Big 12 or SEC.
If you dig a little deeper and examine the matchups, a bit of luster comes off the Pac-10’s bowl performance.
It’s my belief that the league’s second-rate bowl arrangements — it has only one January game and three of its seven bowls have MWC/WAC opponents — places it in an advantageous position. (To wit: It was favored in four of the five games.)
Let’s take the Holiday Bowl as an example.
Yes, No. 15 Oregon, a slight underdog, beat No. 13 Oklahoma State. But that’s a clash of the Pac-10’s No. 2 against the Big 12’s No. 4 that was very close until the final minutes. It says nothing about the strength of the Pac-10 relative to the Big 12.
Same with the Emerald Bowl.
Cal, the Pac-10’s No. 4 team, beat Miami, which, based on standings and head-to-head results, is no better than the ACC’s No. 6 team (and quite possibly its No. 7). The Bears should have won handily, but it, too, was very close.
USC’s Rose Bowl victory only proves the Trojans are better than the Big Ten champ, but we already knew that (the Big Ten stinks). The outcome says nothing about the Pac-10 relative to the Big 12, SEC, ACC or Big East.
The most significant Pac-10 bowl result, in my mind, was Oregon State’s Rodgers-less victory over Pitt. In that instance, the Pac-10’s No. 3 beat the Big East’s No. 2/3 (Pitt finished tied for second).
But again, the Big East is not the SEC or Big 12.
I’ll wrap this thing up with the following comments/facts:
* The gap that existed between the Pac-10 and the MWC was clearly narrowed by Arizona’s victory over BYU (Pac-10 No. 5 vs. MWC No. 3).
* In no instance did a Pac-10 team defeat a comparable foe from the Big 12 or SEC (or the ACC, for that matter).
* Of the four games in which the Pac-10 was favored, it only covered the spread twice: Arizona and USC. (Oregon State and Cal either pushed or lost, depending on which line you found).
Bottom line: A terrific bowl performance for the conference that, because of its second-rate partnerships/matchups, doesn’t tell us much about where it stands relative to the heavyweights."
Personally I think the starkest indicator of the weakness of the PAC 10 is that a one loss USC team - great as they may be - never gets to the BCS while a one loss Florida Team ('06 and '08) and a two loss LSU team ('07) made it via the perceived strength of the SEC.
The way I see it, all the SEC teams are strong in recruiting and the wealth of talent gets spread out to 5 or 6 or 7 schools while all the talent on the West Coast goes to just one school - USC. USC may be well served by redirecting their great 2nd and 3rd teamers to other schools. USC's recruiting success which weakens other PAC 10 teams has actually taken USC out of the BCS picture.
CopyCat
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I was just wondering the standings. Not a competition in my mind since it's not the championship game.
I will say that I'm tired of hearing that USC is no good and couldn't beat the top SEC teams or win in the BCS championship because they have a weak conference. Yes the PAC 10 is a weaker conference than others right now I admit, but we all know that USC would still hold their own which ever conference they played in. Also, USC doesn't have to turn prospective players away and direct them to other schools. I find it hard that SEC teams really do that. Some of the PAC 10 teams need to recruit better and may need to work on their coaching. That I can admit to as well.
I will say that I'm tired of hearing that USC is no good and couldn't beat the top SEC teams or win in the BCS championship because they have a weak conference. Yes the PAC 10 is a weaker conference than others right now I admit, but we all know that USC would still hold their own which ever conference they played in. Also, USC doesn't have to turn prospective players away and direct them to other schools. I find it hard that SEC teams really do that. Some of the PAC 10 teams need to recruit better and may need to work on their coaching. That I can admit to as well.
OldGator
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Not saying that.
We agree that USC is a great team and could absolutely "play" with schools in any other conference including SEC.
BUT they won't get the BCS chance for the Big Game BECAUSE of the other weak Pac 10 schools. It's called Strength of Schedule and the guys who buy into it are the guys that vote - not us. Because Pac 10 is so weak, USC basically has to go undefeated. Losing to Oregon State took them out (too soon in my opinion).
OldGator
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SEC doesn't do that. Kids grow up and all their lives wanted to play at Tennessee or Alabama or Auburn or Georgia or Florida, etc, etc. That's the great parity factor in the SEC.
What top HS athlete on the west coast dreams of playing at Washington or Washington State?? Every top recruit wants USC. No parity = big problem. While most all the SEC schools get their fair share of great recruits.
Just look at all the different SEC conference Champs over last 15 years. Now check out the PAC 10 champs. Who wants to play in that conference unless it's with USC???
CopyCat
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There in lies the catch 22.
They need to recruit better and make a few changes. Start changing the mindset of where to good clubs are to play at.
rubberring
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A lot of it has to do with the college football culture (or lack of) out here. Even in the Bay Area, college football is just not something a large part of the population is into. Every time I meet someone here who actually keeps up with it... I quickly learn he's not a local. California and Arizona lose a ton of recruits to Big 12 and even SEC schools because those conferences get so much TV exposure. I live in California, so I can usually catch a Pac-10 game on ABC in the afternoon... while the rest of the country (including most of the pollsters) are seeing a different game. You're from soCal, so you know what I mean. It's just nothing like what I experienced living in the southeast. I hear the midwest and OK-TX are pretty similar in their passion for college football as well. But I wouldn't really know... 'cause I'd NEVER live in either area!!!:lol::lol::lol:
austink3417
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Trauma, you going to the game? I'm heading there about 2.
Trauma1
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GO GATORS BABY!!!!!
Damn, that was a great game! Florida played terrible at times, but knew how to get it done in the end. Percy Harvin and Tim Tebow found a way to get it done on offense.
The defense was paramount when need be, especially on the goal line. Florida's D shut down oklahoma when it counted most.....it's those type of plays that win national championships. I'm going to enjoy this one peeps for some time!
All hail the 2009 BCS national champion - FLORIDA GATORS!!
SEC > BIG 12! - No arguement, it's fact!
Damn, that was a great game! Florida played terrible at times, but knew how to get it done in the end. Percy Harvin and Tim Tebow found a way to get it done on offense.
The defense was paramount when need be, especially on the goal line. Florida's D shut down oklahoma when it counted most.....it's those type of plays that win national championships. I'm going to enjoy this one peeps for some time!
All hail the 2009 BCS national champion - FLORIDA GATORS!!
SEC > BIG 12! - No arguement, it's fact!
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rubberring
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Pretty good game to watch. As hardknock pointed out, OU actually played a little defense for a change.
Congrats, Gator fans! I can't help but be extremely jealous. Oh well, at least the Cotton Bowl and this game put an end to the Big 12 vs. SEC debate.
Congrats, Gator fans! I can't help but be extremely jealous. Oh well, at least the Cotton Bowl and this game put an end to the Big 12 vs. SEC debate.
Trauma1
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Yep.......Eat my azz right now Big 12!
pantherdude63
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Haha even though you guys are hatin on the big 12 I'm still going to congratulate Florida on the win. Stopping OU inside the 5 twice was impressive and horrible for the sooners. Wish it was the other way around but OU had their chances and couldnt get the job done.
CopyCat
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NP huh? I'm slowly knocking my credits out of the way to eventually put in a package for PA. Best of luck with school.
TexasTitan
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Iron Lungz
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Trauma1
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With mustard!
The Gators were simply the dominant team this year.
Yes, sir!
And better yet......Tebow will be returning for his senior season!:head:
Although early to talk about, Florida certainly looks to be the favorite for a preseason #1 ranking, especially since tebow will be back. If harvin and spikes decide to return for their senior seasons (we'll know by thursday), they will have a well experienced and vastly talented team on both sides of the ball.
OldGator
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Even if Spikes and Harvin don't return, team is still LOADED next year. Returning something like 17 starters or co-starters. Offense led by Tebow (Harvin replaced by burners Demps or Rainey).. Defense line & secondary will be BETTER!!
Can you see 3 titles in 4 years????
tchsdrummer06
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Tebow Passing: 448 of 681 (65.8%) | 6,390 yds (9.38 YPA) - 67 TDs - 11 Ints
Tebow Rushing: 475 rushes for 2,037 yds (4.3 YPC), 43 TDs
Stafford Passing: 564 of 987 (57.2%) | 7,731 yds (7.83 YPA) - 51 TDs - 33 Ints.
Stafford Rushing: 141 rushes for 213 yards (1.5 YPC), 6 TDs
Why is Tebow not considered a pro prospect, yet Stafford is a probable top 5er?
Tebow Rushing: 475 rushes for 2,037 yds (4.3 YPC), 43 TDs
Stafford Passing: 564 of 987 (57.2%) | 7,731 yds (7.83 YPA) - 51 TDs - 33 Ints.
Stafford Rushing: 141 rushes for 213 yards (1.5 YPC), 6 TDs
Why is Tebow not considered a pro prospect, yet Stafford is a probable top 5er?
Trauma1
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It's because they compare him to the mechanical "Protypical Nfl QB Standard" which is absolute bullshit. It's almost like the nfl refuses to utilize any paradigm thinking for the QB position. Tebow is like a bigger version of Michael Vick (minus the personal life issues as we all know.)
I get tired of hearing that "The nfl linebackers will tear him up if he plays like that in the nfl." Bullsh*t, it's nothing more than pure outside speculation at its best right there. I'll love it when tebow shoves it down their fukcing throats that they were all wrong!
Iron Lungz
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Those same damn Linebackers are hoping that their GM signs his ass, too.
Tebow will do just fine in the NFL, if not better.
Tebow will do just fine in the NFL, if not better.
Trauma1
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Trauma1
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You're absolutely right, they have tremendous talent on both sides of the ball regardless. It would just be even more deadly if the do in-fact return.
It's very much an attainable task at 3 titles in 4 years. The current gator team has battle tested big game experience to further drive their cause in 2009.
Let's do this again, brother! :head:
jmh80
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Look I hate the Gators and Turban more than anyone, but I can and am objective most of the time. I think you'll admit that John.
Let's face it - how many NFL quality safety's that hit like a Bob Sanders/Troy Polomalu/Sean Taylor (RIP) does Tebow play against?
Maybe Sean Jones from LSU. I know we didn't have anyone this year, neither did FSU.
OU didn't. Bama - ehh, decent.
I'm saying this man, those guys on an NFL defense were THE best player on their D in college.
They deliver nothing but pain.
I wish Rogue Drone was still around. He played in the NFL for a long time as an LB. I'd reveal who he is but he asked me to keep it on the DL.
He and I talked quite a bit a few years ago. The one thing he continued to convey is the NFL is nothing but pain, whereas College was just fun.
Thus I'm saying look at how the running NFL QB's that take hits work out. Outside of a Steve Young (who didn't seek out hits like Tebow) - who has had a long productive career?
Really.
He'd do something as a QB in the NFL playing like that. It wouldn't last for long.
Imagine a whole game against the Ravens D. Come on, John. Be objective. Is it smart to go sticking your nose against Ray Lewis and those boys on every snap? (Or every "big" play as often happens for UF.)
CEDeoudes59
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Tebow never takes a straight on hit, well not yet... Kinda like Emmitt Smith. Tebow ran over Landry, Lauranities, and most recently Nic Harris of OU.
He's good to go has an Hback QB, Goal line QB, and the 2nd backup.
It's really unassuming too, I'd see him around campus and he was exactly my size, he just really knows how to play football and stay healthy
He's good to go has an Hback QB, Goal line QB, and the 2nd backup.
It's really unassuming too, I'd see him around campus and he was exactly my size, he just really knows how to play football and stay healthy
jmh80
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Always remember college football for the most part runs in cycles.
10 years ago I thought FSU would have never been knocked out of the top 5 after 13 straight years. And you guys were after thoughts.
Look at it now.
My hats off to you guys. Congrats. Enjoy it while it lasts.
jmh80
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Where the F*ck you been brah?
I started a "been here longer than 4 years" thread in the general chat section. Ain't seen your azz in so long I forgot you.
jmh80
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It takes more than talent to win a title. Much less back to back.
Sometimes referees like to get in the way on the last play of the game for said back to back title....
CEDeoudes59
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I hate the Stafford logic. He sucks. He'll sleep with Kiper and be a top 5 pick. He had a ton of talent him at UGA and never threw for more than 2TDs until his final game (i think). Stafford will then get a pass because he'll end up on a shitty team like JaMarcus Russell did. Seriously, the UGA wideouts would face single coverage because of their running game and Stafford still couldn't do anything except throw an amazing pass nowhere near his receivers.
I don't know that Tebow is like Vick though, Tebow is probably a better version of Alex Smith (who was the 1st pick though). Tebow's speed and moves are more like Donovan McNabb (3-4 years ago) I think. Bradford is legit, I like Cantwell of Louisville, McCoy is good, Sanchez is really good. I think Tebow is a safe pick, I would rather have him as a backup/hback QB than draft a project or hit-or-miss like Nate Davis or Graham Harrell
CEDeoudes59
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haha hello jmh80, you're all huge and ripped up these days
Trauma1
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J, did you see a recent pic of ray lewis? He looks like a fat azz of his former self. I agree that nfl coordinated defenses are a different breed, but let's keep the playing field and opinions open here.
I understand the transition to the professional level on all accounts, but people often don't take into consideration the truly unique players in that arguement.
I do believe tebow is unique j, in all facets of the game. I'm fairly confident a 6'3" 230lb guy will do just fine in the nfl pain game. Talent only takes you so far......heart is what separates players from the rest in the end.
How many NFL hopefuls have we witnessed be busts in recent times? A whole sh*tload, j. Until a player demonstrates his ability at the next level, it's nothing more than pure speculation. I know you can agree to that. How many people have we witnessed come out of the blue to attain rockstar status in the nfl.....how about matt cassell this year? Pretty damn impressive. You know i love my pats as well, haha.
J, many college teams have put out players that were destined to be superstars, and some that weren't supposed to be anything that proved them all wrong. Let the kid prove himself before labeling him anything. He's proved more than enough that he's a stud at the college level. His stats and accomplishments speak for themselves. If he fails, he fails. However, the kid has more going for him in general than most college athletes at this level overall.
Let him prove himself....
Trauma1
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Exactly man, heart plays as much a factor than anything. Give the gators credit J, they wanted it more, and they got it!
Trauma1
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I can see the comparison with McNabb, but tebow runs a HELL of a lot better than donovan ever did.
Tebow will do just fine in the nfl.Stafford is NOT what people say he is, i agree with everything you've said. Their running game opened up the pass attack on many fronts, and he still was garbage in the end. I do think moreno is a hell of a back, and he'll do well at the nfl level.
jmh80
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To be fair - I think LSU should be somewhat of a case study for you. They got complacent this year, weren't hungry.
They sucked it up the whole season. Yet you saw against GT that they were a good team. They just didn't want it.
It's hard to keep rolling every game when you've been on top the year before. I think Miami in '02 was afflicted by that to a fair degree, though we were robbed by Terry Porter's bogus PI call.
Really hard to climb that mountain.
And I think Harvin and Spikes are gone.
jmh80
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Yup. Been taking an ungodly amount of supplements. Got a few more PH cycles under my belt. Nothing more than that.
Am now the economist for the chemical plant I work for. :thumbsup:
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