Why so many carbs required during CKD carb-up?

SuppKnight

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First, wouldn't this cause an alarming and potentially harmful insulin spike in your body?

And second, Is it necessary? With all the muscle-sparing protein you are consuming, wouldn't a moderate amount, like 200g on Saturdays and 200g on Sundays, plus the 30g or so per day that one can consume be enough to supply the energy necessary for the week's workouts? Plus, with the use of supps, one can help lower the decrease in energy, right?
 
I'm interested in knowing that too! But, it does make since to take in that many carbs, weightlifters need to consume more carbs to fill muscle glycogen compared to non-weightlifters. Think about how many g carbs normal people consume on a daily basis and times that by 7, that's alot! On this diet, it doesn't seem like it would take that long to get back into a state of ketosis while consuming that many, so I don't see the high amount of carbs as a problem.
 
AMTorres said:
I'm interested in knowing that too! But, it does make since to take in that many carbs, weightlifters need to consume more carbs to fill muscle glycogen compared to non-weightlifters. Think about how many g carbs normal people consume on a daily basis and times that by 7, that's alot! On this diet, it doesn't seem like it would take that long to get back into a state of ketosis while consuming that many, so I don't see the high amount of carbs as a problem.
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But when we consume a lot of carbs, the body leaves ketosis and once again has a 3 day glycogen reserve from the last day that we eat carbs. That means if we eat carbs from fri night to sunday, the body can enter ketosis again on wednesday night.

Doesn't that mean we would only be in a state of ketosis for 2 days out of 7?

I'm confused.:think:
 
From what I was told by a knowledgeable friend, I did 7 days low carb instead of the recommended 5 since it takes so long to get into ketosis I would still have 4 days or so in ketosis before my first carb up. But once you are in ketosis, after your carb up it doesnt take very long to get back into it
 
Reasons:

1. Restore and supercompensate glycogen levels, raising them higher than you could normally. This equates to larger more full muscles and more energy in the gym.

2. Creating an anabolic environment. GH and Insulin usually don't raise in concert with one another, during a carb up test, gh and insulin are all raised simultaneously.

3. Raising metabolism while cutting. When you cut weight your body's hormones try to prevent you from losing too much too fast, its an evolutionary mechanism. When you carb up this stops that process, the body is more apt to shift to a higher calorie state than a low one.

4. The body will still use fat as an energy source during a portion of the carb up.

5. You'll enter ketosis sooner than you did when you started the diet.
 
Lol this jackass negged me for telling him to read the book.
Guess what dumbass, if you got the book you would have answered your own question! I was trying to help you out.
 
ThomasRivera said:
Reasons:

1. Restore and supercompensate glycogen levels, raising them higher than you could normally. This equates to larger more full muscles and more energy in the gym.

2. Creating an anabolic environment. GH and Insulin usually don't raise in concert with one another, during a carb up test, gh and insulin are all raised simultaneously.

3. Raising metabolism while cutting. When you cut weight your body's hormones try to prevent you from losing too much too fast, its an evolutionary mechanism. When you carb up this stops that process, the body is more apt to shift to a higher calorie state than a low one.

4. The body will still use fat as an energy source during a portion of the carb up.

5. You'll enter ketosis sooner than you did when you started the diet.
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Good, I also want to add that it raises leptin and keeps fat loss going.

Although I do like taking in "only" 5-20g carbs once I reach my goal weight, but CKD/reduced calorie REALLY works, add EC 3 times a day and you'll lose fat faster than we lose our tax money to "bailouts"
 
Ah, yes I forgot about leptin.


Oh and the whole insulin raising thing, the body sees that as a warning sign and raises GH, fascinating process.
 
Rugger said:
Lol this jackass negged me for telling him to read the book.
Guess what dumbass, if you got the book you would have answered your own question! I was trying to help you out.
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That is funny. Everyone should read the book. The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald its easy to get online. Most of the stuff I know I got from there, his books are drawn out because his approach is that of a scientist rather than a standard book author.
 
ThomasRivera said:
That is funny. Everyone should read the book. The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald its easy to get online. Most of the stuff I know I got from there, his books are drawn out because his approach is that of a scientist rather than a standard book author.
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:thumbsup:

I read the RFL book, bromocriptine and am ordering the Ketogenic diet and the UD2.0. soon.

Lyle Mcdonald is the f**king man when it comes to CKD and more!
 
Rugger said:
Lol this jackass negged me for telling him to read the book.
Guess what dumbass, if you got the book you would have answered your own question! I was trying to help you out.
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I didn't neg you simply for that. In a forum where we go to for help and to give help, you can answer the question if you know it, without having to be smug about it. That's why I negged you.

And yes, I will neg you again and report your post for the childish name-calling.
 
Omen said:
:thumbsup:

I read the RFL book, bromocriptine and am ordering the Ketogenic diet and the UD2.0. soon.

Lyle Mcdonald is the f**king man when it comes to CKD and more!
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Why order them? Give me 32 minutes and read this thread again.
 
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