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Mmamonster19

MMAMONSTER19 said:
i started at 162 and now am at 182 tryn to make 185. but what i really want is to be 185ibs ripped and huge ya kno, so im just finishing bulking up tryn to be lean mass
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You have alot of bulking to do then my friend because most 185 cut down from approx 200lbs. Believe me I've been in MMA over 10 years and trained with many pro 185lbs
 
o ya i kno but right now im not in MMA due to school conflicting with training so im just lifting, and dont have the extra cardio training session to help cut down on weight, cuz once i reach 185 im gunna have some fat on me and i wanna cut that away and just keep my muscle but i wanna gain more, but i dont wanna have to cut so much fat that ill lose the muscle i gained in the whole period so thats why im not sure how long i should go for and what weight i should aim for so i set my goal at 185, for a start and when i get there im gunna try to maintain it, and try to transfer all my fat into muscle ya kno? sound good or should i go about this a different way?
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
o ya i kno but right now im not in MMA due to school conflicting with training so im just lifting, and dont have the extra cardio training session to help cut down on weight, cuz once i reach 185 im gunna have some fat on me and i wanna cut that away and just keep my muscle but i wanna gain more, but i dont wanna have to cut so much fat that ill lose the muscle i gained in the whole period so thats why im not sure how long i should go for and what weight i should aim for so i set my goal at 185, for a start and when i get there im gunna try to maintain it, and try to transfer all my fat into muscle ya kno? sound good or should i go about this a different way?
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Honestly if your serious about MMA you dont' have the height for 185lbs. 170lbs is probablly a much better weight class for you. At 182 what is your BF%
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
o ya i kno but right now im not in MMA due to school conflicting with training so im just lifting, and dont have the extra cardio training session to help cut down on weight, cuz once i reach 185 im gunna have some fat on me and i wanna cut that away and just keep my muscle but i wanna gain more, but i dont wanna have to cut so much fat that ill lose the muscle i gained in the whole period so thats why im not sure how long i should go for and what weight i should aim for so i set my goal at 185, for a start and when i get there im gunna try to maintain it, and try to transfer all my fat into muscle ya kno? sound good or should i go about this a different way?
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Fat doesnt turn into muscle, just for the heads up
 
haha i kno fat dont turn into muscle, and im not trying to make a weight class for MMA, im just trying to make it to 185 on my own for bulking then cut back down and be lean and ripped. my bf% id say is probably around 8-11% somewhere in that range idk how to find that out but i do have slight ab definition if that means anything, so thats why i dont think its really that high
 
re-post: im at 182 once i reach 185 im gunna have some more fat on me and i wanna cut that away and just keep my muscle but i wanna gain more, but i dont wanna have to cut so much fat that ill lose the muscle i gained in the whole period so thats why im not sure how long i should go for and what weight i should aim for so i set my goal at 185, for a start and when i get there im gunna try to maintain it, and try to transfer all my fat into muscle ya kno? sound good or should i go about this a different way?
trying to figure out if i should just get to 185 or go higher and how long my bulk should be i started about 4 months back. i dont wanna cut neccessarily if i will also lose the muscle i put on, trying to figure out the best way to cut off the fat and leave my muscle
 
transition your diet before your cutting workout. Usually if you want to keep X lbs as your weight you are going to want to bulk to X lbs+15%.
 
so if i want 185 i got add 15% to it and then cut back and i should be more leaned out at 185 is that what you mean cuz i dont understand?
 
wow so if i did the math right (185 x .15=27.75 + 185= 212.75), that means i need to make it to 212.75lbs? thats alot more than i expected and now im 3lbs away from 185. so in the end i need to gain another 30lbs total so that when i stop bulking and begin to cut, ill get to 185 and be able to hold my weight there leaned out, with abs im guessing?
 
TexasLifter89 said:
transition your diet before your cutting workout. Usually if you want to keep X lbs as your weight you are going to want to bulk to X lbs+15%.
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That 15% sounds like body building lore. Any reference for that...? 'Cause it doesn't account for variation in body fat.

Here's the deal:

Assume your target is 185 @ 8% BF which is lean and frankly, if you're in a cage mano e mano and not on stage posing in a thong, you probably don't want to be much below 8%.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are now at 185 @ 11%. You're thus carrying ~20 lbs of Fat Mass (185 * 11%) and ~165 lbs of Lean Body Mass (185 * (1-.11)).

If you work your way up to around an even 200 @ 15% BF, you'll be sportin' 170 lbs LBM and 30 lbs FM. Getting rid of 15 lbs of fat will put you back down to 185 @ 8% still carrying 170 lbs LBM. It means that from your current assumed body composition, you'll need to add ~5 lbs of muscle while also taking on some fat. However, dropping 7% BF without dropping any LBM may be difficult (or impossible) and will take time.

I think that based on your target, ~213 is high unless you are planning to add a higher percent of BF.
 
thank you for all that good information and no i want to add as little to none body fat, i want to look like everyone else does decently big size with cut up abs, so i started in early september on my bulk and my plan was to keep going till january 2nd so id have a 4month bulk on me. but now after this information i may have to keep going to hit my mark. so after your post i believe now that i have to get to 200lbs total and be 170lbm with 30lbs fm? so therefore by losing 15lbs fm weighing around 185 lbm with 8%bf, i shall be able to have the appearance of looking decent size of "big" and ripped with cut up abs if i read your post right.. is this correct??
thanks
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
thank you for all that good information and no i want to add as little to none body fat, i want to look like everyone else does decently big size with cut up abs, so i started in early september on my bulk and my plan was to keep going till january 2nd so id have a 4month bulk on me. but now after this information i may have to keep going to hit my mark. so after your post i believe now that i have to get to 200lbs total and be 170lbm with 30lbs fm? so therefore by losing 15lbs fm weighing around 185 lbm with 8%bf, i shall be able to have the appearance of looking decent size of "big" and ripped with cut up abs if i read your post right.. is this correct??
thanks
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There are a variety of options, you are trading LBM against total mass (LBM + FFM). If you can get were you need to go LBM wise while accumulating less body fat, then that would be preferential.
 
ok thats what i would like to do recommendations on how i should go about this gaining lean body mass with lil to none fat mass? there a certain bulk workout that is needed to be used for this to happen?
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
ok thats what i would like to do recommendations on how i should go about this gaining lean body mass with lil to none fat mass? there a certain bulk workout that is needed to be used for this to happen?
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You are working with a variety of variables: time, calories in, calories out, workout volume and intensity, recovery, and to a certain extent, personal genetics. It's an experiment. You need to trying something for a while and make an assesment of whether you are progressing in the right direction. If not, modify one or more variables and repeat the experiement. Usually takes a little time to get if figured out.
 
alright thanks shall try that been working with my new rountine i do like it just feel that the gains arent as good as they could be so i gotta take another shot and getting it down right
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
so if i want 185 i got add 15% to it and then cut back and i should be more leaned out at 185 is that what you mean cuz i dont understand?
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He's saying you should bulk to 215(ish), then cut back to 185.

I'd say that is a little too aggressive. If you bulked to 215 and wanted to be at 7%BF at 185 - you'd be carrying almost 40 pounds of fat at 215 which is about 20 percent. (assumption of a LBM reduction from cut at around 4 pounds.)

It is possible to gain muscle while reducing fat. Its slower, but at least you don't have to buy new pants.
 
Sorry, I missed the third page.

What's your current BF% anyway?

And are you planning on fighting soon? 185 is heavy as sh*t for a 5'8'' guy... You'd be taking on some monsters - 6'2'' plus.
 
im around 11% bf id say, and no lol i do not intend on fighting anybody any time soon, i dont do fights in mma im just training its fun ya kno, i dont wanna take on those monsters theyd light me up.
and ya it is nice to not have to buy new pants so once i cut, and im settled then im just gunna be going for gaining size with no weight gain really
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
im around 11% bf id say, and no lol i do not intend on fighting anybody any time soon, i dont do fights in mma im just training its fun ya kno, i dont wanna take on those monsters theyd light me up.
and ya it is nice to not have to buy new pants so once i cut, and im settled then im just gunna be going for gaining size with no weight gain really
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Just focus on getting good nutrients in your body immediately post WO, take it easy on the refined sugars and flours, keep the cardio up... Add calories slowly - you'll be straight. Still pretty young too, so you have that going for ya.
 
lol ya i am young wish i was a lil older but o well man, alright so now ive established it im going to start cutting a few days into the new year so thats when i shall start see what i really look like under this 11%BF body lol pretty stoked!!!
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
lol ya i am young wish i was a lil older but o well man, alright so now ive established it im going to start cutting a few days into the new year so thats when i shall start see what i really look like under this 11%BF body lol pretty stoked!!!
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Stay young as long as possible man...

Doesn't sound like anyone is advocating a cut for you... but do what makes you happy.
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
what do u mean no ones advocating a cut for me? like no one cares if i do or dont or no supports it??
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It sounded like you wanted to stick around 185, just at a lower body fat. The goal of a cut would be to maintain your LBM, but cut off fat... So you'd be losing 5 pounds of fat to reduce your BF to about 9%... but you'll be 180.

Also, if you're cutting with poor nutrition, its almost assured that you'll lose a decent amount of muscle as well.

If you lean bulk on 5 pounds while maintaining constant bodyfat, your BF% will actually decrease in a mathematical relationship to your new bodyweight of 190.

Just some things to think about... Plus its winter time... i.e. bulk time... :thumbsup:
 
oo ya i would love to do that only im farther away from 185 than expected and im having such a hard time getting in my calories now that my money is running lower so i just figured itd be better and easier to cut off the fat and get lean and keep my muscle mass that i gained cuz i weigh around 178ish so ill probably have to lose 5-8lbs i think and ill then be where i wanna be with abs showing and looking better, if i had the money to keep feeding myself 3300cals a day i would i love to eat but i cant. im going to do everything possible to get the best and right nutrition pointers to get lean and not lose muscle. that is my goal that i wil have starting after the new year so until then im gunna eat everything literally everything the bad things i will still eat just in proportion im a sucker for some moose tracks ice cream!!!
 
Alright then.

Sounds like you're still a little too scattered and uncommitted - which is fine too. "Abs showing" while eating garbage is pretty difficult, but best of luck regardless... You can buy a crapload of tuna and oats for what you pay for that mooseknuckle ice cream.
 
lol i kno im saying im gunna eat whateva i want till my cut to help bulk up including some moose tracks ice cream then when im cutting there wont be any moose tracks ice cream just good clean solid food as tuna and oats which are 2 of my favorite healthiest foods to eat!
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
lol i kno im saying im gunna eat whateva i want till my cut to help bulk up including some moose tracks ice cream then when im cutting there wont be any moose tracks ice cream just good clean solid food as tuna and oats which are 2 of my favorite healthiest foods to eat!
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Just remember, the more fat you put on, the more you have to take off! Putting it on is the fun part, removing it isn't.
 
LOL ya i kno its the worst part of gaining weight is the removal part, but im ready for fat burn hell! as long as i dont lose the mass i gained then idc how hard i have to work to get it off! my main goal is to acheieve that so i need to start learning how to cut properly to not lose muscle mass just the extra luggage i put on over the past months
 
Therin lies the problem... Fat burning hell implies a buttload of crazy cardio - which is not the preferred method for slowly stripping off fat.

You'll see how it works for your body. Good luck man.
 
so whats the best way to strip fat off the body without losing muscle mass lots of cardio but for a a very low amount of time, like 6 mins a day?
 
Long bouts at lower intensities, preferably with glycogen depleted but with some amount of protein in your system.
 
MMAMONSTER19 said:
and thats one of the best ways to burn fat while keeping muscle mass?
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Yup. Sip on some BCAAs intra... then crush about 30g of whey after you're done.

A lot of guys do this in a fasted state in the morning, but then again - most of the guys on this board are bodybuilders - not MMA practitioners. Depends what you're comfortable with. If you go the fasted route, take a few fish caps before you get down to business to get your body used to burning fat as a fuel.
 
ok well im not actually in MMA i did some training a while back and now cant afford the class so i gotta wait for the funds to be back up so as of now im just the normal guy who takes protein and works out
 
ok so ive been looking at a cutting workout cuz im not sure if i should do my normal workout routine with just less calories or if i should find an actual workout and i have found the velocity diet sounds very interesting and expensive any advice?
 
alright thanks guys, got into my cut a month and half ago not too much leaner but more defined lookn at keepn my mass and gradually losing weight working pretty good so far
 
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