DO you want to see? -Epi low dose long term

[sethroberts]

thanks for visiting. im not looking for instant gains but more of something along the lines of what a creatine product would do, slow small gains nothing like a cycle. Maybe with a steady blood level of 10-20mg for a longer period will give more effects than the norm. Most beginners use 20mg for a week but never longer...im wondering if i will get a cumulative effect with doing it longer while still keeping suppression to an absolute minimum.

If anyone has more reccommendations on what to use with the epidrol to prevent shutdown. I have battlefuel some primordial stuff, research chems, and i could always pick up some OTC stuff like the stuff lilpsychotic pointed out to me.


i will look into that lab site you gave me musclebound. I still havent followed that link.

WTF! Gixxer haha what brings you back to these parts? get booted from another board? lol

Here is how I think about it: your body produces about 5-10 mg per day of test. So if you were to take 10 mg of a compound that is 5 times as anabolic and 1 times as androgenic as test then you should see 5 times the anabolism while maintaining androgen levels. This doesn't even take SHBG into account but if the compound you are using has less SHBG binding then you would see and even greater effect. The big question is whether the anabolic index of the compound is accurate, what the bioavilability of the compound is and it's half-life. The half-life of test in the body is very short. but SHBG extends it. But looking at Epi you should see replacement level of androgenic stimulation with considerably more anabolic stimulation. Also, if you stay low you may see only modest or dare I say it, no HPA supression.

 

[pistonpump]

i want to get this going ASAP but i want proper planning and if i can get bloodwork baselines before i start that would be awesome.

any more ideas on how to get my bloodwork from my doc under insurance?

any ideas on what i would run with the epi? currently taking shred matrix
assault
bulletproof
aminos
vit c
fiber caps
niacin
ginseng
i have liver support too
need some sort of estrogen support to take on off days or throughout....

 

[abuleh]

I am in my 2nd week pulsing Epi 3x a week at 20mg. Feeling great and much stronger. I plan to go for minimum 8 weeks.

~abuleh

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Here's a link to my log for those who wanted to see what the upper upper ranges of epi will do (60-100mg).

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[xtyler]

No sir, just cruisin on through putting my 2cents here and there....its a whole new crew around here now

LOL...oes my avy suggest you anything?

 

[xtyler]

thanks for visiting. im not looking for instant gains but more of something along the lines of what a creatine product would do, slow small gains nothing like a cycle. Maybe with a steady blood level of 10-20mg for a longer period will give more effects than the norm. Most beginners use 20mg for a week but never longer...im wondering if i will get a cumulative effect with doing it longer while still keeping suppression to an absolute minimum.

If anyone has more reccommendations on what to use with the epidrol to prevent shutdown. I have battlefuel some primordial stuff, research chems, and i could always pick up some OTC stuff like the stuff lilpsychotic pointed out to me.

I'd say you'll experience very minimal suppression with 20mg in the morning only.I'd incorporate zinc,low dose I3C and forslean for the peace of mind.

 

[xtyler]

The banana?

hhmmm....no.
try again.

 

[99sscamaroma]

Sorry been out of town for work and didnt have a chance to check this thread. For the questions in regard to what I took on the off weeks I just ran Axis Labs Smash, multi-vitamin, and EFA's. Also, biggest gains did come near the end of the cycle, however I steadily gained pretty much the entire cycle. This cycle certain isnt for everyone, especially if your on the lean side and want to bulk up quick. I ran my pulse cycle this way due to the fact that im naturally pretty thick but wanted some nice hard, lean gains. I would think this would be a good pulse to run during a cutting cycle. Let me know if anyone else has any questions.

 

[haroldjg]

If I were you I would read up on the original implementation of dbol as a performance enhancer. It is very similiar to what you are suggesting. They orignally ran it at 15mg (10mg for small individuals, 20mg for larger individuals) in the morning for cycles of 5 weeks on, 6 weeks off.... I believe that was under the direction of Ziegler. Bill March went from 175-195lbs in less than a year and got up to like 240. As far as I know, this was his cycling program. Check this link out: Invalid Link Removed . I think your idea is a fairly good one

 

[pistonpump]

If I were you I would read up on the original implementation of dbol as a performance enhancer. It is very similiar to what you are suggesting. They orignally ran it at 15mg (10mg for small individuals, 20mg for larger individuals) in the morning for cycles of 5 weeks on, 6 weeks off.... I believe that was under the direction of Ziegler. Bill March went from 175-195lbs in less than a year and got up to like 240. As far as I know, this was his cycling program. Check this link out: Invalid Link Removed . I think your idea is a fairly good one

thanks i will check that out.

how do you think i should dose it? 10mg non lifting 20mg lifting 7 days a week or 20mg 5x a week and 2 days off?

 

[pistonpump]

I'd say you'll experience very minimal suppression with 20mg in the morning only.I'd incorporate zinc,low dose I3C and forslean for the peace of mind.

i was actually thinking of something like 200mg i3c with my last meal. also some NOW reservatrol which also has grapeseed ext, green tea ext, red wine ext, on top of reservatrol. I think that should be enough along with the current sups i take.

 

[haroldjg]

i say just keep it it 10mg every day. simple as that. your not taking it for the androgenicity, so why bother with the higher dose. it is still plenty anabolic in 10mg. i think it would be interesting and it might open up a few peoples eyes. more is not always better. Good gains can easilly be made off of low doses. People just dont train hard enough or have a proper diet. With a steroid program like this I would change your training too. Go to more of a powerlifting/olympic lifting routine, but for mass.... High rep, high intensity. Nothing builds muslce or strength better than the basics. I really just think that you need to keep a detailed log of this... it should turn out really good.

 

[haroldjg]

Start here for a possibly awsome training mentality: Invalid Link Removed
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scott abel is the man by the way.

 

[abuleh]

I am interested in the effects on the liver values.

Would you say:

long cycle + low dose = low influence on liver?

Would you still suggest Liver care before, during and after the cycle? e.g. Milk thistle, Liv-52????

~abuleh

 

[haroldjg]

no need for liver care on a cycle like this. However if you have the cash liver care is always a good idea for general health. I would only take it before bed, not in the morning though.

 

[pistonpump]

I am interested in the effects on the liver values.

Would you say:

long cycle + low dose = low influence on liver?

Would you still suggest Liver care before, during and after the cycle? e.g. Milk thistle, Liv-52????

~abuleh

good questions.

id say long cycle low dose would have alot less impact on the liver than short cycle high dose.

i do have vitaminshoppe liver support, ill be taking all my supports (liver,cholesterol,bp,hormone) all in the morning before i go sleep (i sleep during the day)

only thing now is if i will get bloodwork first, probably not unless i can get inputs on how

 

[mixedup]

good questions.

id say long cycle low dose would have alot less impact on the liver than short cycle high dose.

i do have vitaminshoppe liver support, ill be taking all my supports (liver,cholesterol,bp,hormone) all in the morning before i go sleep (i sleep during the day)

only thing now is if i will get bloodwork first, probably not unless i can get inputs on how

so have you decided on dose and length? Maybe you do this long term Epi run and I'll run a long term h-drol run

 

[pistonpump]

ive decided to start out with just 10mg ED for a few weeks if im not seeing any kind of results i will do 20mg on lifting days. Im not going over 20mg. I will run it as long as the two bottles will last.possibly 6 months.

ill get some i3c and the now reservatrol and once i get those ill start, bloodwork or not.

 

[thundergod]

I've worked up to 70mgs (maybe even 80, cannot remember) in about 6-7 weeks. All values were fine.

Poopypants did 60 mg. of Epi and 30 mg. of D-Bol for 6 weeks straight and just 2 weeks into PCT his bloodwork was fine. That's what lead me to do the same cycle which I'm on week 6 now. It's outta freakin sight!!! :biglaugh:

 

[Iron Lungz]

Poopypants did 60 mg. of Epi and 30 mg. of D-Bol for 6 weeks straight and just 2 weeks into PCT his bloodwork was fine. That's what lead me to do the same cycle which I'm on week 6 now. It's outta freakin sight!!! :biglaugh:

I bet!
That combo seems perfect on paper.

 

[listentocky]

ive decided to start out with just 10mg ED for a few weeks if im not seeing any kind of results i will do 20mg on lifting days. Im not going over 20mg. I will run it as long as the two bottles will last.possibly 6 months.

ill get some i3c and the now reservatrol and once i get those ill start, bloodwork or not.

Bumping to see if this actually went anywhere.

 

[jaydollars]

Yea what were the results on this low dose run, tell us tell us tell us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bound]

SOMEone did do one 10mg a day cycle for at least a few weeks, and it turned out to be more suppressive than anyone thought that it would be. It's somewhere in another thread around here, I'll go hunting for it when I've got more time....

 

[Tansui]

i would prefer to see 10-20mg mdrol eod., but if you have epi on tap lets see 10mg ed for 18 week

 

[trackstud100m]

did you guys notice it took about 3-4wks for this stuff to kick in.

 

[trackstud100m]

thinking doing 11-12 weeks, m-w-f @ 20mg.

 

[embrance]

SOMEone did do one 10mg a day cycle for at least a few weeks, and it turned out to be more suppressive than anyone thought that it would be. It's somewhere in another thread around here, I'll go hunting for it when I've got more time....

Yep,do so if you please!
I was thinking of taking it for a full three months 10mg each day.It would be a good expiemnt.And also one or two caps of liver stuff at night when the anabolic effect would fade anyway.

 

[SrT4u2Nv]

Bump for curiosity. Lol