whiskers
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I've heard all this from people you would assert Are Christians.
I already went over this terrible crap Rick.
It's pretty irrelevant to the thread really. Tearing down the lds church does not make yours look any better.
Will you go see "Religulous"?
- Thread starter Hurleyboy05
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I've heard all this from people you would assert Are Christians.
I already went over this terrible crap Rick.
It's pretty irrelevant to the thread really. Tearing down the lds church does not make yours look any better.
whiskers
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Men.
"And so we see that Christianity is nothing more than a Roman Story, developed politically." (the gospels)
-Jordan Maxwell
whiskers
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No normal conception.
They believe God visited mary and got her pregnant. Christ was literally gods son.
Old mormon doctorine (which i was quite fond of) taugh that Adam was God. Making God our literal father. Not just creator
whiskers
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They only have one God over their world. One creator, one God. Simple.
We all are his spirit brother in mormon doctorine.
It doesnt mean their pals.
Not that I by any means stand by either religion. But it is common knowledge that the bible has been edited many times. They see this as a correction. I quite like it...over the story the bible stole from horus
How can we be created in Gods image if he doesnt have a body?
how
gives you something to do in the after life lol
Makes way more sense out of the bible
eh, havent ever heard that one.
Why the fixation on the mormon church?
Hurleyboy05
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Wow Rick, congratulations man. I mean really, I've never seen someone complete the process of bashing others religions and making god sound like a complete assh*le so efficiently. And the sad part is that your talking on his behalf.
Truly inspiring stuff man. I mean, seriously, now I kinda want to be a "super christian" like you so I can go around with an ego the size of Texas, and tell everyone who disagrees with me that that they're on their way to hell.
You make religion sound sweet.
I pity you man, seriously. You've got 6 years on me, but I still feel like you're the one that needs to do some growing up.
Truly inspiring stuff man. I mean, seriously, now I kinda want to be a "super christian" like you so I can go around with an ego the size of Texas, and tell everyone who disagrees with me that that they're on their way to hell.
You make religion sound sweet.
I pity you man, seriously. You've got 6 years on me, but I still feel like you're the one that needs to do some growing up.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
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DmitryWI
I know nothing...
Rick28
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Holy man spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Rick28
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Urban Monk
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Whose to say God didn't speak to me and I can write the Bible 2.0?
What convinces you these men were "holy"?
What convinces you these men were "holy"?
whiskers
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Furthermore rick, and not that I want you to continue your rambling about the lds church; but why could they not have a prophet?
When was the cut off date to be a real prophet?
btw prophet actually means musician. And to prophesy is to play or write music. Not talk to God.....since that is impossible
When was the cut off date to be a real prophet?
btw prophet actually means musician. And to prophesy is to play or write music. Not talk to God.....since that is impossible
Rick28
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It's true to me because of faith. Others may not see it the same way.
whiskers
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It cant be true to you and not someone else. It's true or it isnt.
Truth is independent of us. Our thoughts on something cannot change the facts of matter
Rick28
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Furthermore rick, and not that I want you to continue your rambling about the lds church; but why could they not have a prophet?
When was the cut off date to be a real prophet?
btw prophet actually means musician. And to prophesy is to play or write music. Not talk to God.....since that is impossible
A prophet speaks God's truth according to his Word. If a prophet claims to be of God and his prophecies don't come to pass, he is a false prophet. Sadly, Joseph Smith failed the Biblical test. If you follow after a false prophet, you are not serving God. Joseph Smith prophesied things that didn't come true.
PROPHET (Webster's 1828)
1. One that foretells future events; a predicter; a foreteller.
2. In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.
3. An interpreter; one that explains or communicates sentiments. Ex.7.
4. One who pretends to foretell; an imposter; as a false prophet. Acts 13.
of the prophets, among the Israelites, a school or college in which young men were educated and qualified for public teachers. These students were called sons of the prophets.
whiskers
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for example?
Rick28
Member
The Bible says they were.
Rick28
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Mormons aren't the only ones, I brought it up because you were a former Mormon. If you were a Catholic, JW, etc. I would've done the same thing.
whiskers
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Wow
whiskers
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Mmmmmmmmkay, I'm not thinking about going back to it so I'm still lost on your motive.
If it werent for the Catholic religion, you likely never would have heard of jesus.
Rick28
Member
The Test For A Prophet
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:1
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18
The Bible tells us that many false prophets have gone out into the world. How can we recognize a false prophet? Is Joseph Smith a false prophet, or the real deal? Former Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt threw down the gauntlet when he proclaimed that the veracity of Mormonism lives or dies on the question of whether or not Smith was a true prophet of God.
Deuteronomy chapter 13 goes on to tell us that even false prophets will get some right from time to time – but ONE false prophecy is all it takes. Let’s take a look at some of the prophecies of the founding “prophet” of the Mormon Church – Joseph Smith, Jr. – and apply the Biblical litmus test.
On September 1, 1842, Joseph Smith said, “…for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it.” (Doctrine and Covenants, 127:2). The last phrase “for the Lord God hath spoken it,” indicates that this is prophecy. Here, Smith has prophesied that God would allow him to “triumph” over all his enemies. Less than two years later, these same enemies stormed the Carthage, Illinois jail where Smith was imprisoned and shot him dead. Smith tried to fight back, shooting 3 of his assailants and killing 2 with a pistol smuggled in to him, but his “enemies” triumphed. This is a false prophecy. By the litmus test, we have already shown Smith to be a false prophet. For arguments’ sake, however, let’s explore some more.
The following prophecy has only been recounted by one person, and that person eventually left the Mormon Church. Typically, we wouldn’t include it for that reason. However, the person in question was David Whitmer, one of the three “witnesses” to Smith’s translation of the Book of Mormon. And since the LDS Church lends Whitmer the credibility of having him still listed as an original witness (check the beginning of any Book of Mormon), we shall afford him some level of credibility here as well. As the story goes, during the printing of the Book of Mormon, Smith was running out of the money needed to finish it. Hyrum Smith (Joseph’s brother) suggested they could go to Toronto, Canada, and sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon for money. Whitmer picks up the account, “Joseph looked into the hat in which he placed the stone, and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and that they would sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon. Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery went to Toronto on this mission, but they failed entirely to sell the copyright, returning without any money. Joseph was at my father's house when they returned. I was there also, and am an eye witness to these facts. Jacob Whitmer and John Whitmer were also present when Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery returned from Canada. Well, we were all in great trouble; and we asked Joseph how it was that he had received a revelation from the Lord for some brethren to go to Toronto and sell the copyright, and the brethren had utterly failed in their undertaking. Joseph did not know how it was, so he enquired of the Lord about it, and behold the following revelation came through the stone: "Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of men: and some revelations are of the devil." So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copyright was not of God, but was of the devil or of the heart of man.” - AN ADDRESS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN CHRIST, David Whitmer, 1887.
The stone to which Whitmer refers is the “seer stone” by which Smith arrived at many of his revelations, and which he used to help him “translate” the Book of Mormon. Here, Joseph Smith himself admitted that he was susceptible to receiving revelations from men or from the devil, and passing it on as prophecy. Strike two on the validity of Joseph Smith as a prophet.
Joseph Smith was also interested in the second coming of Jesus Christ. So much so, that he tried to peg Christ’s return to a particular year – 1891. Smith said, “It is the will of the Lord that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was night – even fifty-six years, should wind up the scene.” (The History of the Church, vol II, page 182). Zion here refers to Jackson County, Missouri – not to Israel. Given the context in which this was said, the fifty-six year time frame would place the return of Jesus on or before February 14, 1891. Many Mormon periodicals demonstrated that zealous Mormons were anxiously awaiting the fulfillment of that prophecy. February 14, 1891 came and went with no second coming. It was truly a disappointing Valentine’s Day for many faithful Mormons. Strike three on Smith.
Rick28
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I don't buy that at all.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
This is what I'm trying to understand, why are you so convinced? I would like to hear the answer other than "because it says so in the Bible"
whiskers
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Maybe god would have typed up a bible and entrusted you to preserve his word eh?
Rick28
Member
Mainly because the Bible gives an explaination of where we come from. I didn't buy the whole evolution bit. I looked at the archaological evidence. I did a lot of research before I made my decision. I really do a lot of research so I'm not off my game.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
You talk sh!t about every religion, but what right do you have to say your religion is right and everyone elses is wrong? If you were born in some muslim country or India, you would say exact the same sh!t, that your religion (islam or buddism) is the right one. And everyone else is going to hell. Ever thought about it?
whiskers
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Plenty of religions offer an explantion for where we came from. Why choose the bible?
Even if you dont believe evolution is doesnt mean you have to jump into a religion. What's wrong with saying "I dont know where we came from."
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
I don't buy this crap not even a little bit. You are christian, because you were born and raised in christian environment and was around christian all your life. And like I just said, if you were born and raised in some muslim country you would be saying the same sh!t. I've done lots of research before becoming muslim.
Rick28
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You are right! If I were a Muslim I would believe that anyone who isn't a Muslim is an infedel and should die or convert. It's not me really who says Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, JW's, etc. are going to hell. Jesus said himself said they were condemnbed because thay are following there own way instead of his way. I'm just relaying his message.
Rick28
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So, you're a Muslim?
I was not raised in a christian home at all! I became a christian when I was 23. Before then if I had died, I would be in hell with Mother Theresa because I too thought myself as a good person.
Before you assume something about me please ask first.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
That's just another proof to me that Bible doesn't speak the truth, because If Jesus was indeed son of God, he would never say **** like that.
Hurleyboy05
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Rick, you are a fantastic example of the kind of person the christian church is targeting. Once they get you to close off your mind to anything but the "truth" they send you out to "save" us. For someone like me, that used to be involved in religion, I can only pity you for your sadly closed off mind, and continual droning of religious nonsense. You have not once tried to convey the word of god in a genuine way, but rather you have perverted the original intent, and are abusing your christian right by bullying others with it. Sure, in your mind you may be doing god's work, but to everyone around you, even fellow christians I'm sure, you come across as an arrogant, brainwashed, and weak minded person. You are doing nothing positive for the religion you so truly adore, you're just trying to make yourself feel better by using it to slam others. It's people like you that keep me from doing things for churches (i.e. donating money, volunteering) because I will NEVER go out of my way to support condescending, pigheaded, soapbox preachers, like you.
And if there is a hell later on down the line, I'll save a seat between Mother Theresa and I, just for you.
And if there is a hell later on down the line, I'll save a seat between Mother Theresa and I, just for you.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
I believe in God or should I say in Higher Intelligent Power, but I don't believe in any kind of religion or Bible as something that came from God. They are all were created by people and God has nothing to do with it. I also don't believe in hell, as this believe was also created by church in early centuries to keep people in fear and try to control masses, esp. when church and state were one. Fear is the ultimate tool to control people. And as I can see they have done great job with it.
I believe, just like rain falls the same on every person, just like God is the same for everyone no matter where you live, what you believe or don't believe for that matter.
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Necroticism
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you are giving the christian churches much too much credit. they didnt create the concept of hell, they stole it from earlier religions.
DmitryWI
I know nothing...
Rick28
Member
ok.
Rick28
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Why wouldn't he?
Rick28
Member
I do come across arrogant to people, I'll admit. Am I proud of it? I try not to be.
As far as "perverted the original intent, and are abusing your christian right by bullying others with it" not so. I bring up biblical scripture when I know a certain group doesn't follow it. That's how I conclude if they're christian or not..from the Bible. If they feel bullied, that's because they hardened their hearts. If you claim to be christian and can't handle scripture, this says alot about you. If I pull up facts about what any group teaches and it's contrary to scripture, and they don't like it, they are the ones with the problem not me.
It really all boils down to this: Most peopple want me to be this friendly little guy who goes around saying "Jesus loves you no matter what religion you are. As long as you worship me your own way even though I said different, that's ok. No one is really going to hell because I love everybody."
This isn't scriptural and when I point it out you can take it. I refuse to be one of those "christians" who preach about love love love all the time. I will not compromise by thinking everyone who goes to a "church" with a veneer of christianity on it are christians.
The church I go to will never accept money from an unbeliever. Assembly's of God or the Church of Christ will love to take your money. They'll take money from a fag or the Pope if offered. As far as being a "condescending, pigheaded, soapbox preacher," get a backbone!
Rick28
Member
Biblical Christianity is very arrogant. Jesus made some very arrogant and dogmatic statements:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7
Bottom Line:
If you are a christian, you can't claim at the same time to believe in Jesus and follow rules of your church that's contrary to scripture. No man can serve 2 masters!
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matthew 6:24
whiskers
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Rick, you say they've heardened their hearts, but you've hardend you're brain you retarded fu(k.
I CAN STRESS ENOUGH. WE DONT FUC*KING CARE WHO YOU THINK IS A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread was about the movie Religulous which is a bigrammation of Religion and Redicuous. Please, for fu*k sake, offer one post worth reading in regards to why you think there has to be a creator.
(otherwise start a thread obout how your church in a Kmart parkig lot somewhere, is the only church of God. Rag on mormons in it,I may join you! But in this thread, we are SOOOO unimpressed by your condemnation of other churches.
Please Rick, redeem my faith in humanity (that you have up this point destroyed)
If you wish to condemn other churches and not offer an intellegent arguement for creationism, then PLEASE excuse yourself from this thread. We are so tired of your sh*t we can hardly bare it. You're running us ragged. I speak for everyone
Rick28
Member
You have a lot of nerve. First you ask questions and when I answer them you get upset. You swearing doesn't make me go away. You say this thread is about the movie but you keep asking questions. Let this thread retire by you quit posting comments on my quotes. Understood! good.
whiskers
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Really, where are you going with this? We'll all humor you...your church is the only "true" church; now why is it true!!???
Hurleyboy05
Well-known member
Hmmm... this is rather hypocritical, no? Just a few pages back, I believe I was the one calling you out, and what did you resort too? Thats right, you told me to get off dsade's ****.
Another great example of your completely misconstrued thinking. Kinda like your misconstrued religion. Sure you're quick to point out the "flaws" in others (and their religions) but come on, you're pulling the same stuff. How is this supposed to make others believe you're doing the right thing? Or that they should believe like you?
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DmitryWI
I know nothing...
You cannot stand the thought of a God who loves no one in a way which is more special than any other, and so you create fiction about a God who only loves certain people for certain reasons. And you call these fictions "religion." For any thought that God loves one more than another is false--and any ritual which asks you to make the same statement is not a sacrament, but a sacrilege.
People would always believe in hell and in a God who would send them there, as long as they believe that God is like man-ruthless, self-serving, unforgiving, and vengeful. Your religion have made God the Great Mystery, and caused you not to love God, but to fear God.
Necroticism
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i think this is a good quote that pertains to this discussion..
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” -Stephen Roberts
the first 2 lines are a bit of a contradiction, but the second part makes a lot of sense to me.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” -Stephen Roberts
the first 2 lines are a bit of a contradiction, but the second part makes a lot of sense to me.
somewhatgifted
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whiskers
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One of my fav quotes
Thomas Paine is the man.
......though I think he prefers to go by T Paine