Gonna first cycle just Dianabol

[jay21]

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Read any of the literature written by those who really study this **** - Thibs, berardi, poloquin etc., They all agree that gaining about 1/2 pound of dry muscle a week is just about the outside most that is possible naturally. Add a weak anabolic to the mix (e.g., most of the Pro-steroids and even Dbol) and you might get 3/4 of a pound a week. Scale weight doesn't mean jack ****. That pound in 4 days? I would bet the ranch that it was at least half water, quarter fat and maybe 1/4 muscle. IT CANNOT BE all new dry muscle..

And not, eating excessively does NOT MAKE YOU THAT MUCH MORE ANABOLIC. Even Berardi who seems to be an all you can eat and get huge kind of guy doesn't have his clients eat more than an extra 500 cals a day. More than that and your just gaining fat. Sorry.

Dont take my word for it. Do some reading.

=== i remmember i big austiran guy u might know him arnold, who said cardio cardio cardio==== man u can eat alot but u have to maintain cardio ED! even on bulk if ur trying to stay away from fat gain. yah u might not like what the scale says! but if u pay attention to only scale then u truly are a noob and big toys arent for you. i gained only 7lbs on my 6 wk cycle on epi/halo and man i LOOKED DIFF. lbs dont mean s*** its how u look after.

 

[mooch2321]

No I haven't run Tren or any other AAS. Very brief stint with Dbol 20 years ago is about it. I'm going to do a cycle though next year. just wanted to get one more competition season under my belt before I play that wild card. Nice virgin receptors will probably take kindly to it at this point.

All my wildest dreams will come true if I run Tren in a bulk? Is that what you're telling me?

yupps, thats what im sayin. if u bulk/cycle this year after your comp add 4-6 weeks of tren at 50mg ed and u will be bigger and stronger than ever.

 

[trend747]

You absolutely can get there without the drugs. I'm not sure how old you are but I'm guessing early 20's maybe. Sadly, you're coming of age at a time when the media sensationalises steroid use - has everyone thinking it's a quick way. When I was younger the **** was practically legal. I still remember (funny enough give the subject here) the gym owner in my home town holding a bottle of DBol at the front counter for me. Yeah, just sitting right up there next to a bottle of Ultra Fuel - lol. The point is, AAS wasn't a big deal. We all knew that taking it would provide a little extra bounce. Some dudes played the card; many didn't. I'm friends with other competitors my age who are all in very good shape and never touched it.

You should be able to put on substantial size with diet/training manipulation. Do that, gain a 10# a year over the next three or 4 years and you'll be amazed. Sounds like a long time but you'll be NATURALLY HUGE!! Do a few shows, see how you do. Get to know your body and how it responds to dieting for contest/bulking/ nutritns etc.

Then, if you still want to get that little bit extra run a cycle or two.. That's basically what I'm doing. Once more competition seaon and I'm probably going to run some kind of cycle.

Sorry to rain all over your dbold parade man!

This is one of the best posts you could read... you hit it right on the head...

 

[Space]

You absolutely can get there without the drugs. I'm not sure how old you are but I'm guessing early 20's maybe. Sadly, you're coming of age at a time when the media sensationalises steroid use - has everyone thinking it's a quick way. When I was younger the **** was practically legal. I still remember (funny enough give the subject here) the gym owner in my home town holding a bottle of DBol at the front counter for me. Yeah, just sitting right up there next to a bottle of Ultra Fuel - lol. The point is, AAS wasn't a big deal. We all knew that taking it would provide a little extra bounce. Some dudes played the card; many didn't. I'm friends with other competitors my age who are all in very good shape and never touched it.

You should be able to put on substantial size with diet/training manipulation. Do that, gain a 10# a year over the next three or 4 years and you'll be amazed. Sounds like a long time but you'll be NATURALLY HUGE!! Do a few shows, see how you do. Get to know your body and how it responds to dieting for contest/bulking/ nutritns etc.

Then, if you still want to get that little bit extra run a cycle or two.. That's basically what I'm doing. Once more competition seaon and I'm probably going to run some kind of cycle.

Sorry to rain all over your dbold parade man!

I personally don't see the point in lifting weights without steroids. The gains are so much more consistent and motivating.

If I wasn't taking steroids, I would just be content with being single digits body fat all year round and not bother bulking.

 

[Perfection300]

I personally don't see the point in lifting weights without steroids. The gains are so much more consistent and motivating.

If I wasn't taking steroids, I would just be content with being single digits body fat all year round and not bother bulking.

You don't see the point because you don't know what you are doing.

What are your stats? I bet many natural lifters are your size by how you speak of not lifting unless taking something.

 

[flobot]

Yeah I've gained about 3-4 lbs. so far and my waist line is still 30.5" so that should be something I guess. I do ECA and minimum cardio (just 10 mins. uphill walking to get the blood running.)

Btw guys check out my novedex/T-Bomb II log.

It's at Invalid Link Removed . I've gained around 3-4 lbs. so far w/ no increase in waistline and I don't see too much fat elsewhere either.

My premise for stacking the 2 is this:
1.) T-Bomb II-->Natural test booster
2.) Novedex XT-->Semi-natural test booster
3.) Both supposed to have no side effects and both Supposed to counter the test aromatizing.

I think it's working so far actually. It might not be AAS but if you stack enough test boosters you'll eventually get there. I'm not stacking more though lol. I have 1 damn pimple in the back of my head damnit.

=== i remmember i big austiran guy u might know him arnold, who said cardio cardio cardio==== man u can eat alot but u have to maintain cardio ED! even on bulk if ur trying to stay away from fat gain. yah u might not like what the scale says! but if u pay attention to only scale then u truly are a noob and big toys arent for you. i gained only 7lbs on my 6 wk cycle on epi/halo and man i LOOKED DIFF. lbs dont mean s*** its how u look after.

 

[Jetta]

I personally don't see the point in lifting weights without steroids. The gains are so much more consistent and motivating.

If I wasn't taking steroids, I would just be content with being single digits body fat all year round and not bother bulking.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. This is a good example of why people should wait until they learn their body before taking AAS. YOu probably never really got a good handle on how you respond to different diet/training set ups and now you're reliant on drugs to fill the gaps (i.e., shortcomings). At 24, you are still young enough to turn this around and I highly recommend that you give that idea some thought as you could be setting yourself up for a very tough road ahead. Good luck to you either way

 

[Space]

Gee, I didn't expect to get flamed so much for my comment.

I have been on this board for 3 years, I first registered when I started taking OTC products and before that I trained naturally for 2 years.

I understand people tend to believe that natural training is superior in many respects. But personally since I have started taking steriods I wouldn't bother putting on weight without them.

I don't take steroids or fat burners when cutting, but when bulking it almost seems like a waste of time not training with steroids.

In terms of my training I have tried many approaches from volume training when I first started, followed by Max OT, high reps, low reps and currently I am trying full body workouts with single sets.

I can diet into single figure body fat and I have managed to put on 22 pounds in 3 months training naturally before. I'm not going to post my stats because I don't want to get into a pissing contest with anybody.

I don't abuse these drugs and I have a respect for my own personal health. It really comes down to personal preference. I could go back to natural training but I would feel as though I am wasting time because I already had a major set back when I was in a coma for 2 months and 6 months in rehab and lost a significant amount of muscle and I want to get back to the condition I was before my accident as soon as possible.

 

[Jetta]

Gee, I didn't expect to get flamed so much for my comment.

I have been on this board for 3 years, I first registered when I started taking OTC products and before that I trained naturally for 2 years.

I understand people tend to believe that natural training is superior in many respects. But personally since I have started taking steriods I wouldn't bother putting on weight without them.

I don't take steroids or fat burners when cutting, but when bulking it almost seems like a waste of time not training with steroids.

In terms of my training I have tried many approaches from volume training when I first started, followed by Max OT, high reps, low reps and currently I am trying full body workouts with single sets.

I can diet into single figure body fat and I have managed to put on 22 pounds in 3 months training naturally before. I'm not going to post my stats because I don't want to get into a pissing contest with anybody.

I don't abuse these drugs and I have a respect for my own personal health. It really comes down to personal preference. I could go back to natural training but I would feel as though I am wasting time because I already had a major set back when I was in a coma for 2 months and 6 months in rehab and lost a significant amount of muscle and I want to get back to the condition I was before my accident as soon as possible.

I don't think I flamed you. I just feel bad for you. You're just a kid for Christ sake.

Nobody can tell you what path to follow - that's your call. I just think that at your age, you could get back to training naturally and when you're my age, you will look and feel much better as a result. I've known a couple of guys in my life who started that **** at your age and never stopped. I'll just say this: whatever future image of yourself you see when you shut your eyes, don't count on it.

 

[flobot]

I can understand why you want it all back. Losing muscle is hard and annoying. It's like getting back to square 1 or something.

So what do you think of what I'm doing right now? I just stacked 2 'natural' test boosters (!MHP! T-Bomb II+ Novedex XT) and I've gained I don't know...maybe 5 lbs. in 2 weeks? I posted a pic too in my log to be compared to my profile pic (when I was 171 compared to around 174 when I took that pic..176.8 now.)

My goal was to reach 180 before the end of winter. Autumn has barely started. It's crazy man...and my waistline hasn't increased a tiny bit. It's still 30.5-31" so not much of the gains are fat or water. Oh Yeah, bench has also increased from something like a sloppy 8 x 225 to a very strict 8 x 225. Max is now at 275 from 245.

My body is responding in an amazing way to these test boosters. NOW I'm thinking that AAS might be too much.

Gee, I didn't expect to get flamed so much for my comment.

I have been on this board for 3 years, I first registered when I started taking OTC products and before that I trained naturally for 2 years.

I understand people tend to believe that natural training is superior in many respects. But personally since I have started taking steriods I wouldn't bother putting on weight without them.

I don't take steroids or fat burners when cutting, but when bulking it almost seems like a waste of time not training with steroids.

In terms of my training I have tried many approaches from volume training when I first started, followed by Max OT, high reps, low reps and currently I am trying full body workouts with single sets.

I can diet into single figure body fat and I have managed to put on 22 pounds in 3 months training naturally before. I'm not going to post my stats because I don't want to get into a pissing contest with anybody.

I don't abuse these drugs and I have a respect for my own personal health. It really comes down to personal preference. I could go back to natural training but I would feel as though I am wasting time because I already had a major set back when I was in a coma for 2 months and 6 months in rehab and lost a significant amount of muscle and I want to get back to the condition I was before my accident as soon as possible.

 

[trend747]

Gee, I didn't expect to get flamed so much for my comment.

I have been on this board for 3 years, I first registered when I started taking OTC products and before that I trained naturally for 2 years.

I understand people tend to believe that natural training is superior in many respects. But personally since I have started taking steriods I wouldn't bother putting on weight without them.

I don't take steroids or fat burners when cutting, but when bulking it almost seems like a waste of time not training with steroids.

In terms of my training I have tried many approaches from volume training when I first started, followed by Max OT, high reps, low reps and currently I am trying full body workouts with single sets.

I can diet into single figure body fat and I have managed to put on 22 pounds in 3 months training naturally before. I'm not going to post my stats because I don't want to get into a pissing contest with anybody.

I don't abuse these drugs and I have a respect for my own personal health. It really comes down to personal preference. I could go back to natural training but I would feel as though I am wasting time because I already had a major set back when I was in a coma for 2 months and 6 months in rehab and lost a significant amount of muscle and I want to get back to the condition I was before my accident as soon as possible.

I can somewhat relate to what you're going through. I think Jetta has some good points, and I agree with him. But I also think you're dead on as well.

It's all relative. I am personally glad I was natural all the way up to my 30s... I have pretty decent genetics and have gained quite well my whole life naturally. I work my butt off. That's just how I was raised... I think that as long as you are giving it the same intensity once you are on the sauce, then you're in the right mindset.

Listening to your body is the key to success. It takes YEARS to figure out what works best for YOUR body. I think one of the points that I'd take from Jetta's post is that experience is a big factor in your development. And you only get that with longevity in this sport and knowing your body well. I think going the natural route for some time allows you to figure out your body without any "substances" in the way...

...it's all very individualistic...

 

[hyper24]

Best thing for a newbee to do, run test for 10 weeks and dbol for first 4 weeks.
Youll be amazed. I also call bullshit on the 1/2lb a week.

My first cycle, dbol + test. Went from 72 kgs to 88kgs. Thats 32lbs, and after PCT I was sitting on 85 and stayed there. Thats 13kgs in 10 weeks. or 28.6 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks. I put on possible 1% bf maybe 2, but i think it was water bloat which made me feel fatter. You can see what I looked like after the cycle in my display pic.