CEL E-Stane pct

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Let me start by ph history, in order:
methandrol 50
mass tabs(no gains except 6lbs of water, shut down)
m-drol
p-plex
h-drol(didnt gain any weight)
stats:
27, 6'1, 13-14%bf, 215lbs on avg
past pct used
AI and combo of torem

I am planing a run of CEL's newly released e-stane and was wondering what peoples thoughts were on using the rest of a bottle of of inhibit E(21caps) with a new bottle of AX's Advanced PCT without a serm. I have no problems related to past ph cycles(gyno, hair loss, etc). And just so no one has to repeat themselves I know that it would be advised to have a serm on hand.
 
support supps
multi
5g fish oil with flax oil now and then
saw palm
1000mg vitC mid afternoon or after workouts
milk thistle 500mg with breakfast and 500 am/500 pm during pct

I think thats about it, might preload some hawthorn

E-Stane is an epi clone
 
NAS said:
support supps
multi
5g fish oil with flax oil now and then
saw palm
1000mg vitC mid afternoon or after workouts
milk thistle 500mg with breakfast and 500 am/500 pm during pct

I think thats about it, might preload some hawthorn

E-Stane is an epi clone
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Hi bro yes I would add the hawthorne berry. Best of luck.:thumbsup:
 
rob561 said:
isnt estane 5a-reduced? if so i would not take the saw palmetto
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Not enough evidence for the palmetto one way or another as to its effects on 5a reduced PHs. I always take it to be safe and have never felt it inhibited gains.


To the OP -

I think that PCT would be fine. Maybe dose the Inhibit high at the start and quickly taper and bridge it into the aPCT. No need for a SERM for Epi, come on.. lol you're getting AM-inized.
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
Not enough evidence for the palmetto one way or another as to its effects on 5a reduced PHs. I always take it to be safe and have never felt it inhibited gains.


To the OP -

I think that PCT would be fine. Maybe dose the Inhibit high at the start and quickly taper and bridge it into the aPCT. No need for a SERM for Epi, come on.. lol you're getting AM-inized.
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Yet again, piss poor advice....
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
Not enough evidence for the palmetto one way or another as to its effects on 5a reduced PHs. I always take it to be safe and have never felt it inhibited gains.


To the OP -

I think that PCT would be fine. Maybe dose the Inhibit high at the start and quickly taper and bridge it into the aPCT. No need for a SERM for Epi, come on.. lol you're getting AM-inized.
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I'm not in agreement with this part either. Inhibit is ATD or an AI. Epithio clones are notorious for lowering estrogen and/or at least altering the test to estrogen ration in a positive manner. When you immediately come off cycle your estrogen will likely still be low, so there is no need to dose an AI higher at the start as you suggested. Your better off starting low and increasing in a pyramid fashion.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I'm not in agreement with this part either. Inhibit is ATD or an AI. Epithio clones are notorious for lowering estrogen and/or at least altering the test to estrogen ration in a positive manner. When you immediately come off cycle your estrogen will likely still be low, so there is no need to dose an AI higher at the start as you suggested. Your better off starting low and increasing in a pyramid fashion.
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EXACTLY!

Running a SERM inverse to the A.I. is a MUCH better route in an epithio pct. It's these same people that crush their estrogen levels right from the beginning that wonder why rebound gyno issues occur when the A.I. is then suddenly discontinued. If you severly suppress any hormone, and then suddenly discontinue that suppression, upregulation occurs on a large scale in an attempt to compensate to a return of homeostasis.

I'd start very low with the A.I. and gradually taper up, and then back down a bit.
 
Trauma1 said:
EXACTLY!

Running a SERM inverse to the A.I. is a MUCH better route in an epithio pct. It's these same people that crush their estrogen levels right from the beginning that wonder why rebound gyno issues occur when the A.I. is then suddenly discontinued.

I'd start very low with the A.I. and gradually taper up, and then back down a bit.
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Right, but if someone chooses not to use a SERM the logical protocol would be to start the AI higher and slowly taper it down throughout the PCT timeframe. He needs a test booster ran concurrently though or recovery will take ages.

I agree 100% on the inverse taper when used with a SERM
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
Right, but if someone chooses not to use a SERM the logical protocol would be to start the AI higher and slowly taper it down throughout the PCT timeframe. He needs a test booster ran concurrently though or recovery will take ages.

I agree 100% on the inverse taper when used with a SERM
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Not when you're talking about PCT from a compound that may have the ability to modulate estrogen levels to a degree. Crushing what you have left of estrogen right in the beginning of pct is going to set yourself up for failure in the end. Rebound estro issues are very likely an obstacle to be faced down the line.

Not all compounds do this obviously, but imo epithio products have an adjusted PCT regimen due to the nature of the beast. This is all based on numerous feedback/success stories i've received over the last year. Now, will this be an issue for everyone, no, it won't. However, the vast majority of what i've compiled through feedback and my own personal experience holds this theory true in my mind.

Not to mention, i don't recommend this being done without a SERM anyway, but people are going to do what they want regardless.

The key is to upregulate LH and stimulate test production through other pathways.
 
Reversitol by Iforce, has a serm like compound along with 2 AIs and I3C

theres also blood work up in their section and it truly delivers,

i believe that would be all you need for any epithio/hdrol/pplex/tren cycle.....

hell the blood work came back to normal on a 6 week bold and 4 week methadrol cycle.

the science is there, the claim is there, the only difference is that it actually works the way it says it does....

as far as the proprietary blend, it just puts you under that poin for libido issues, and is strong

if you go with it the dosing looks like this.
3/2/2/1

you can also add a natty test booster like hemotest by nutrabolics,

for me epithio/ hdrol are a breeze for me to recover from.
good luck my friend!

PS, it never hurts to have a SERM on hand
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I'm not in agreement with this part either. Inhibit is ATD or an AI. Epithio clones are notorious for lowering estrogen and/or at least altering the test to estrogen ration in a positive manner. When you immediately come off cycle your estrogen will likely still be low, so there is no need to dose an AI higher at the start as you suggested. Your better off starting low and increasing in a pyramid fashion.
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So it is my understanding that since estrogen will be slightly lowered by the epthio clone, estane, i should taper up the inhibit? or should I save it for the end of the bottle of AX PCT. I seemed to do pretty well using a serm inverse to AI in the past but I am still a little sketch about ordering research chem now, the last time I did was almost 2 yr ago.
 
NAS said:
So it is my understanding that since estrogen will be slightly lowered by the epthio clone, estane, i should taper up the inhibit? or should I save it for the end of the bottle of AX PCT. I seemed to do pretty well using a serm inverse to AI in the past but I am still a little sketch about ordering research chem now, the last time I did was almost 2 yr ago.
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That is correct, as your estrogen and test levels return to baseline you want to slowly increase the dosage and then taper down a bit prior to just dropping the inhibit altogether. Its somewhat hard to do with inhibit as each cap contains about double the dose it really needs to dose more appropriately.

You could likely wait to start the inhibit a few days to a week after the cycle ends/pct begins with no Estrogen issues.

Btw I wouldnt be to worried about ordering RC's right now. Fwiw
 
Trauma1 said:
Not when you're talking about PCT from a compound that may have the ability to modulate estrogen levels to a degree. Crushing what you have left of estrogen right in the beginning of pct is going to set yourself up for failure in the end. Rebound estro issues are very likely an obstacle to be faced down the line.

Not all compounds do this obviously, but imo epithio products have an adjusted PCT regimen due to the nature of the beast. This is all based on numerous feedback/success stories i've received over the last year. Now, will this be an issue for everyone, no, it won't. However, the vast majority of what i've compiled through feedback and my own personal experience holds this theory true in my mind.

Not to mention, i don't recommend this being done without a SERM anyway, but people are going to do what they want regardless.

The key is to upregulate LH and stimulate test production through other pathways.
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I do agree epi is a different beast. My OTC protocols in the past have followed a tapering down of ATD over a months time followed immediately by a cycle of a 6bromo based product like Hyperdrol X2 but more often just I3C and that seems to have worked well for me but everyone reacts differently.
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
I do agree epi is a different beast. My OTC protocols in the past have followed a tapering down of ATD over a months time followed immediately by a cycle of a 6bromo based product like Hyperdrol X2 but more often just I3C and that seems to have worked well for me but everyone reacts differently.
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This was my original idea using the 21 caps of inhibit tapered down then using AX PCT because of the 6-bromo among other ingredients it contains.
 
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