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Anabolic Diet with Anabolic Pump

TripleOption

TripleOption

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I am on the Anabolic Diet, very low carbs during the week and carb loading on the weekends. However, I usually stick to one high carb meal per day on the weekends.

How would I dose the Anabolic Pump? 2-3 before a meal, because it's the one carb meal of the day?
 
Any particular reason your going with only one carb meal for refeeds?

Personally on a low carb diet i have been taking 2-ap prior to each of my refeed meals. I usually pop 2, wait 20 min or so, and begin pounding the carbs.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Any particular reason your going with only one carb meal for refeeds?

Personally on a low carb diet i have been taking 2-ap prior to each of my refeed meals. I usually pop 2, wait 20 min or so, and begin pounding the carbs.
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Just a preference to keep my calories under control. So 3 a meal is ok?
 
imprezivr6 said:
Any particular reason your going with only one carb meal for refeeds?

Personally on a low carb diet i have been taking 2-ap prior to each of my refeed meals. I usually pop 2, wait 20 min or so, and begin pounding the carbs.
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I believe AP has a threshhold and does not have compounding effects upon itself. I'm not so certain taking more then one AP at a time has any added benefits. Its not the same thing as taking one AP with one Pslin.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I believe AP has a threshhold and does not have compounding effects upon itself. I'm not so certain taking more then one AP at a time has any added benefits. Its not the same thing as taking one AP with one Pslin.
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I can't tell you if it does compound to an extent or not.. I am pretty sure i have seen posts by reps saying you will get added benefit from 2 for larger carb meals.

I was just sharing my personal "regimen".. I only use it for re-feeds, and a bottle lasts a long time, so even just for the peace of mind it could possibly be helping in any way while i am slamming down 200g+ carb meals, ill take it.

Too the OP. Have you tried a more structured re-feed? I used to do the same thing as you, with the 1 meal thing, and i really started hitting my stride and making much faster progress when i nailed down my refeeds with much more carbs, and keeping the fat low.
 
if you only have one carb meal, assuming that its pre-workout, wouldnt it be more beneficial to use p-slin and save your ap for a time when you will have three meals to dose with
 
imprezivr6 said:
I can't tell you if it does compound to an extent or not.. I am pretty sure i have seen posts by reps saying you will get added benefit from 2 for larger carb meals.

I was just sharing my personal "regimen".. I only use it for re-feeds, and a bottle lasts a long time, so even just for the peace of mind it could possibly be helping in any way while i am slamming down 200g+ carb meals, ill take it.

Too the OP. Have you tried a more structured re-feed? I used to do the same thing as you, with the 1 meal thing, and i really started hitting my stride and making much faster progress when i nailed down my refeeds with much more carbs, and keeping the fat low.
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I am all about peace of mind, bro. I feel you on that. I used to take AP with my morning 15g of Oatmeal when I was cutting, because I get all mentally disfigured and become a carb nazi when I'm cutting.
 
panther77 said:
if you only have one carb meal, assuming that its pre-workout, wouldnt it be more beneficial to use p-slin and save your ap for a time when you will have three meals to dose with
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It's not pre-workout. On the Anabolic Diet, carb ups are on the weekends. I am training on a 5x5, M-W-F.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Too the OP. Have you tried a more structured re-feed? I used to do the same thing as you, with the 1 meal thing, and i really started hitting my stride and making much faster progress when i nailed down my refeeds with much more carbs, and keeping the fat low.
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I am currently cutting and it is working very well this way. I don't want to upset the cutting gods and mess around. I thought that AP might help with the carb up weekends.

When I am satified and move to a more bulking phase, I will probably make some changes like you talked about.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Too the OP. Have you tried a more structured re-feed? I used to do the same thing as you, with the 1 meal thing, and i really started hitting my stride and making much faster progress when i nailed down my refeeds with much more carbs, and keeping the fat low.
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:goodpost:

Back in college, I utilized the Anabolic Diet (Dr Di Pasquale) to put on lean body mass during the off season (football). It wasn't until I encountered Lyle McDonald's writings (The Ketogenic Diet), did I pay more attention to my refeeds. IMO, the refeed is crucial to making progress on a cyclic ketogenic diet. Furthermore, adding AP to a strategic refreed will be, "icing on the cake."
 
TripleOption said:
I am currently cutting and it is working very well this way. I don't want to upset the cutting gods and mess around. I thought that AP might help with the carb up weekends.

When I am satified and move to a more bulking phase, I will probably make some changes like you talked about.
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Exactly...don't break what isn't broken.

Incidentally, have you ever read about the Targeted Ketogenic Diet (TKD)? You adoption of the Anabolic Diet, or the standard Cyclidic Ketogenic Diet (CKD) is very similar to the TKD. The emphasis of the TKD compared to the CKD is that ketosis is preserved to promote lyposis. Simply put, carbohydrates are ONLY consumed pre-workout (instead of weekend refeeds). In short, a small dose of simple sugars pre-workout (dextrose, NOT fructose as it refeeds the liver AND disrupts ketosis). Adequate performance is ensured with the addition of carbs and weights followed with some cardio ensure that ketosis is not interrupted.

Anyways, just food for thought. :food: Work hard!!!:head:
 
dexterium said:
WOW 400 carbs per meal!? That's awesome! Definitely take 2 Anabolic Pump with this meal! I think you will experience a great pump too :bb3:
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So there is validity taking multiple APs with large carb meals? Is there a ceiling to this?

I ask because until recently I was on a 5000cal+ bulking diet, and AP and PSlin wasn't keeping the fat gain at bay.

In saying that, they were certainly powering up my workouts.
 
jakellpet said:
So there is validity taking multiple APs with large carb meals? Is there a ceiling to this?

I ask because until recently I was on a 5000cal+ bulking diet, and AP and PSlin wasn't keeping the fat gain at bay.

In saying that, they were certainly powering up my workouts.
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Well it depends. I know that when I don't have P-Slin, I sometimes take 2 Anabolic Pump before taking in a meal that contains 120 g of complex carbohydrates.

I am not sure about a ceiling but I think 2 is the most I would go with.

It's funny cause the other day I took 1 Anabolic Pump and then took 200 g of carbs and then worked out and got a crazy pump.
 
dexterium said:
Well it depends. I know that when I don't have P-Slin, I sometimes take 2 Anabolic Pump before taking in a meal that contains 120 g of complex carbohydrates.

I am not sure about a ceiling but I think 2 is the most I would go with.

It's funny cause the other day I took 1 Anabolic Pump and then took 200 g of carbs and then worked out and got a crazy pump.
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There is somewhat of a ceiling, but it is not due to the product. Glucose Disposal/Glycogen Storage is actually rate-limited by a step unrelated to Anabolic Pump: the phosphorylation of glucose by hexokinase. The ceiling of how much glucose AP can dispose of is probably dependent on individual biochemistry!
 
man idk if you make that **** up or you just got it goin on lol jk im thinkin its the latter. are you a chemist or something?
 
Mulletsoldier; said:
...: the phosphorylation of glucose by hexokinase...
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To expand on that, for those interested, the enzyme hexokinase is responsible for the ATP-based breakdown of certain sugars to a compound known as hexose-6-phosphate (H6P). By so doing, a phosphate group is added to the sugars. Considering that the phosphate group has a negative charge, and considering that this negative charge restricts the mobility of the phosphate group, the addition of phosphate to sugars ensures the sugars are trapped or bound to cells.
 
strategicmove said:
To expand on that, for those interested, the enzyme hexokinase is responsible for the ATP-based breakdown of certain sugars to a compound known as hexose-6-phosphate (H6P). By so doing, a phosphate group is added to the sugars. Considering that the phosphate group has a negative charge, and considering that this negative charge restricts the mobility of the phosphate group, the addition of phosphate to sugars ensures the sugars are trapped or bound to cells.
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Bingo!
 
strategicmove said:
To expand on that, for those interested, the enzyme hexokinase is responsible for the ATP-based breakdown of certain sugars to a compound known as hexose-6-phosphate (H6P). By so doing, a phosphate group is added to the sugars. Considering that the phosphate group has a negative charge, and considering that this negative charge restricts the mobility of the phosphate group, the addition of phosphate to sugars ensures the sugars are trapped or bound to cells.
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What's also interesting is that hexokinases are an ubiquitous enzyme group. IIRC, they are found in almost every organism, only differing in their intracellular location, substrate affinities, and mitochondrial association. (most likely several other factors, but I need to brush up on my glucose pathways)
 
Mulletsoldier; said:
What's also interesting is that hexokinases are an ubiquitous enzyme group. IIRC, they are found in almost every organism, only differing in their intracellular location, substrate affinities, and mitochondrial association. (most likely several other factors, but I need to brush up on my glucose pathways)
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True, with glucokinase being the hexokinase variant found in hepatic cells. Insulin activates liver transcription of the glucokinase enzyme. Anyway, as you pointed out earlier, hexokinase is one of the three key enzymes in the glycolysis pathway. The others are phosphofructokinase, and pyruvate kinase. Hexokinase is the first step in the glycolysis pathway, phosphofructokinase is the second (and rate-limiting step in the glycolysis pathway), and pyruvate kinase is the last.

When ATP is high, inhibition of phosphofructokinase leads to down-regulation of glucose breakdown, triggering the storage of glucose as glycogen.

On its own, pyruvate kinase is involved in the conversion of excess glucose to pyruvate; then to acetyl-CoA, which is, if I recall rightly, the main precursor for the synthesis of fatty acids. (Acetyl-CoA is carboxylated to malonyl-CoA).

And so on... It is interesting how these things are intertwined!
 
strategicmove said:
....then to acetyl-CoA, which is, if I recall rightly, the main precursor for the synthesis of fatty acids. (Acetyl-CoA is carboxylated to malonyl-CoA)...
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It is; and to bring the discussion full circle back to Anabolic Pump, it has been postulated that Berberine directly inhibits malonyl-CoA via malonyl-CoA-decarboxylase, as well as direct upregulation of ACC (of course, via direct increases in AMPk phosphorlyation). Thereby increasing the PPAR target enzyme CPT-1, and mitochondrial B-Oxidation of FAs.
 
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