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Tren is going to make your BP go up, Royd is correct the fina cough can be avoided, Tren will most likely give you disturbed sleep and night sweets, and it can make you feel fvcking crazy as sh!t since it has some action on serotonin, but you could start around 50 mg ED and work up to 75 mg ED......
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Basically (depending on the inj) it gets into the bloodstream and somehow finds its way into areas it should not (commonly lungs). Causing difficulty in breathing. It drops guys to their knees. I know guys who have had thier fingers on 911 to save their own asses, lol.

Its a sobering experience from what I hear however it can mostly be avoided with proper inj technique. Personally I only had a couple of instances where things got uncomfortable and they were not at all severe. Just google "tren cough" or "fina cough" for more info.
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This could not physically happen with ORAL tren, right? You're freaking me out with this shyt man lol. I may just get oral tren and run 400mg SAM-e as opposed to the shytty milk thistle as my liver aid. It's expensive, but much better IMO. Run it for the last 4 weeks at like 5-10mg. The "usual" dose is 5-15, so 5-10 for my first ever using it should be good.
 
bassgod272 said:
Um, pretty easily actually lol.
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I thought methyltrien(whatever the rest of the compound is) wasn't produced on a small scale... just in bulk for research purposes... I wasn't trying to ask where you are getting it... sorry bout that, but if you can get it, the charge it!
 
bassgod272 said:
This could not physically happen with ORAL tren, right? You're freaking me out with this shyt man lol. I may just get oral tren and run 400mg SAM-e as opposed to the shytty milk thistle as my liver aid. It's expensive, but much better IMO. Run it for the last 4 weeks at like 5-10mg. The "usual" dose is 5-15, so 5-10 for my first ever using it should be good.
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I would start at 1 milligram.....

BigDaddyChemo, founder of AnabolicMinds.com was one of the first to import the raw powder for Methyl1test and Methyl-Dien among others and imported all the powders for LegalGear when the started out.

He was an interesting guy, a chemist by trade and was always testing his products on himself and offering samples to the staff there.

Anyway, he got a hair up his ass and found a source for the base methyltrienolone and made some up and tried it himself. He told me his strength shot through the roof for a couple of days and the the backaches and splitting migraines kicked in, his blood pressure skyrocketed and he said after 5 days, he was afraid he was dying and stopped the cycle cold. Just threw the rest in the trash.
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GMG760 said:
I thought methyltrien(whatever the rest of the compound is) wasn't produced on a small scale... just in bulk for research purposes... I wasn't trying to ask where you are getting it... sorry bout that, but if you can get it, the charge it!
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You can get it..... all day 20mL at a time...... for a reasonable price....
 
AHHHHAHH MUTHA FVCKERS THE PLOT THICKENS......LOL


YOU CAN INJ METHYLATED COMPOUNDS IF THEY BE STERILE.......

I got to thinking about this so googled a littler deeper...... I mean WinV can be drank or inj...... and lookie here......


You can inject Oral T. Because it is possible to inject any methylated substance. People ingest them orally because it is easier. The trade-off is that it ends up making that extra pass through the liver and thus is "hepatoxic".

Also, many people have injected it, and had excellent results. Blood work was shown alright before, during and after it's administration.
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heavies said:
AHHHHAHH MUTHA FVCKERS THE PLOT THICKENS......LOL


YOU CAN INJ METHYLATED COMPOUNDS IF THEY BE STERILE.......

I got to thinking about this so googled a littler deeper...... I mean WinV can be drank or inj...... and lookie here......
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That may be worth a read. Injecting 'Methyl-Tren' may lead to less of a confluence of active metabolites being processed by the liver. However, you may as well go with Tren at that point.
 
BlackSheep said:
For real this is America you can get anything anytime basically you just need to look:thumbsup:
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YEAH BUDDY!!!!!

According to introduction in heavies COOKBOOK OF DOOM vol. 1 all things can be obtained if you talk to the right people.......... or your chef.......
 
Mulletsoldier said:
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That may be worth a read. Injecting 'Methyl-Tren' may lead to less of a confluence of active metabolites being processed by the liver. However, you may as well go with Tren at that point.
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Lets assume for a moment that OT would behave as WinnyV, we know that approx. 30%, loose approximation, is lost upon injesting, now consider inj. the Winny, you are going to have 100% within the inj site....

now I am sure everyone would agree it will still pass through the liver, but at a slower rate, instead of all at once, which in turn could lower the toxicity over delta T........ I am suggesting that this is linear and such, i.e. if the toxicity could be some number x if I increase delta T s.t. the soln. approaches 0, I would have effectively reduced the toxicity....

HOWEVER, if I were to inject I would start at 250 mcg of OT.....
 
Okay I must be lost here.

when you reference 20mls at a time I am thinking of a vial, which would most likely include Trenobolone Acetate, not methyltren.

If that is the case, you CAN drink it, just like you can eat fina pellets, but you wont get the amount of active in your system.

Or are we getting a sterile vial of methyltren (Which would be odd)? Either way, you CAN inject methyltren, actually you can inject pretty much anything, but it still goes through the liver, and that is the dangers of MT.

Let me know, cause I think I am bass ackwards right now with how you all are putting this.

Adams
 
heavies said:
Lets assume for a moment that OT would behave as WinnyV, we know that approx. 30%, loose approximation, is lost upon injesting, now consider inj. the Winny, you are going to have 100% within the inj site....

now I am sure everyone would agree it will still pass through the liver, but at a slower rate, instead of all at once, which in turn could lower the toxicity over delta T........ I am suggesting that this is linear and such, i.e. if the toxicity could be some number x if I increase delta T s.t. the soln. approaches 0, I would have effectively reduced the toxicity....

HOWEVER, if I were to inject I would start at 250 mcg of OT.....
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You will have a higher yield to pass through first pass liver degradation, but that may also produce less rapid and potent gains; however, with Methyl Tren that may not be a bad thing.

You are right about hepatoxic attenuation, though. In that thread, I was considering the point of diminishing returns being increased with injectable SuperDrol.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Okay I must be lost here.

when you reference 20mls at a time I am thinking of a vial, which would most likely include Trenobolone Acetate, not methyltren.

If that is the case, you CAN drink it, just like you can eat fina pellets, but you wont get the amount of active in your system.

Or are we getting a sterile vial of methyltren (Which would be odd)? Either way, you CAN inject methyltren, actually you can inject pretty much anything, but it still goes through the liver, and that is the dangers of MT.

Let me know, cause I think I am bass ackwards right now with how you all are putting this.

Adams
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You have confused me.......???? I think your officially lost, but let me see if I can re-iterate......

I can get 20mL vials of MT..... and vials of Tren Ace, but I was/we were talking about vials of MT, and your right if you eat Fina's, binder and all BUT your wasting about 70% of the drug do to low bio-availability.... No I will sterilize a vial of MT, and inject it..... as I said B4 it goes first pass through the liver, we are not discussing that, we are pondering that by an increased delta T, we could thereby be "limiting" the toxicity.....
 
heavies said:
You have confused me.......???? I think your officially lost, but let me see if I can re-iterate......

I can get 20mL vials of MT..... and vials of Tren Ace, but I was/we were talking about vials of MT, and your right if you eat Fina's, binder and all BUT your wasting about 70% of the drug do to low bio-availability.... No I will sterilize a vial of MT, and inject it..... as I said B4 it goes first pass through the liver, we are not discussing that, we are pondering that by an increased delta T, we could thereby be "limiting" the toxicity.....
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Ah, okay... I was getting hung up on the 20ml thing. Theoretically the limiting toxicity could work, but I think real world will show you otherwise. I think the constant stream of MT hitting your liver will do more damage than a big hit, then time to heal. I cant remember the numbers, but it takes so long to heal from so much methyl, and I know MT is way up there. Without the break in between, the liver wont have that time for recovery. I have more going on up in my head, but it hurts right now, and hard to pull shlt out. :D

Adams
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You will have a higher yield to pass through first pass liver degradation, but that may also produce less rapid and potent gains; however, with Methyl Tren that may not be a bad thing.

You are right about hepatoxic attenuation, though. In that thread, I was considering the point of diminishing returns being increased with injectable SuperDrol.
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That is along the lines of my thinking.... if MT is 10 x TA then a reduction of 5, lets say still leads to the same prediction.....
 
DAdams91982 said:
Ah, okay... I was getting hung up on the 20ml thing. Theoretically the limiting toxicity could work, but I think real world will show you otherwise. I think the constant stream of MT hitting your liver will do more damage than a big hit, then time to heal. I cant remember the numbers, but it takes so long to heal from so much methyl, and I know MT is way up there. Without the break in between, the liver wont have that time for recovery. I have more going on up in my head, but it hurts right now, and hard to pull shlt out. :D

Adams
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Trust me I know the feeling...... my profession taxes my mind and I find myself purposely not posting on topics that I could add to the situation, just cause I can't get it out......

Now you bring up a good point on the "constant" MT drip per say..... and I agree it would seem that the big hit then rest would make sense as well...... perhaps the WO schedule could be adjusted as well, you know EOD and obviously pulse the MT, with the weekends off mandatorily.....

perhaps the cost benefit analysis says this is a DROI........
 
I'm just the technical messenger, and the news isn't good. Its a gene mix master and where it alters AR gene cut and paste transcription, it produces mutant androgen receptors and promotes hepatic, prostatic, and neural neoplasms.
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Appears that MT does more than add insane strength gains..... and near death toxicity......

R1881 is the penultimate tight binder to androgen receptor.

In the case AR, it causes corepression and it also causes a change in the transcription product. The mRNA that is spliced and diced to make more androgen receptor to be inserted into the membrane begins to become mutated, because the coactivators can't get in to the receptor to shut off certain transcription elements. This is an accumulative processs. Clean up systems catch the mistakes (mutations), but if you have enough of them, voila, a neoplasm can occur.

With so many other steroids that are safer and fairly efficient at AR activation, why would you want to use a compound that is a test case for modeling prostate cancer?
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BlackSheep said:
Well after reading all that sht I think I'll steer clear of tren for the foreseeable future, but it's past T-time for me ;)
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Well Tren itself if good to go, bout as safe as the rest of the injectables, but with alot more rage. Its when you add the alpha alkalinity (sp?) at 17th position that makes it dangerous. Like the same thing when you methylated 1test. safe compound becomes poison.

Adams
 
BlackSheep said:
Well after reading all that sht I think I'll steer clear of tren for the foreseeable future, but it's past T-time for me ;)
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I agree with DA. I think many of the side-effects normally ascribed to Trenbolone are over-exaggerated. I was reading that Llewelyn had assays done on various samples of UG Tren, and found over 40% of it to be impure.

Just as in that Superdrol discussion, I think impurities derived from improper synthesis probably produce most of the noted ill-effects. When you speak to very seasoned users with reliable sources, they usually will relate the same tone.

I would attempt to secure reliable Trenbolone BS, and make your assessment from there brother.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Well Tren itself if good to go, bout as safe as the rest of the injectables, but with alot more rage. Its when you add the alpha alkalinity (sp?) at 17th position that makes it dangerous. Like the same thing when you methylated 1test. safe compound becomes poison.

Adams
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Yep.... did you read post 721?? it looks as if toxicity is only part of the issue.......


Tren Ace is worth the risk..... just do like me avoid stupid people while on it..... no really you can control yourself on it, you just have to try..... I like loosing my temper though, just not to the wife and kids.....
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I agree with DA. I think many of the side-effects normally ascribed to Trenbolone are over-exaggerated. I was reading that Llewelyn had assays done on various samples of UG Tren, and found over 40% of it to be impure.

Just as in that Superdrol discussion, I think impurities derived from improper synthesis probably produce most of the noted ill-effects. When you speak to very seasoned users with reliable sources, they usually will relate the same tone.

I would attempt to secure reliable Trenbolone BS, and make your assessment from there brother.
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Great point!! If you consult heavies COOKBOOK OF DOOM vol. 1 you only need to go to your kitchen......

I mean if you cook your own hamburger you don't have to worry about the idiots spitting in it.....
 
heavies said:
Yep.... did you read post 721?? it looks as if toxicity is only part of the issue.......


Tren Ace is worth the risk..... just do like me avoid stupid people while on it..... no really you can control yourself on it, you just have to try..... I like loosing my temper though, just not to the wife and kids.....
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Yeah that post is down right scary... but I never wanted to even attempt MT myself. Especially if it is methylated by a UG lab. Never know what you are getting.

Adams
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I agree with DA. I think many of the side-effects normally ascribed to Trenbolone are over-exaggerated. I was reading that Llewelyn had assays done on various samples of UG Tren, and found over 40% of it to be impure.

Just as in that Superdrol discussion, I think impurities derived from improper synthesis probably produce most of the noted ill-effects. When you speak to very seasoned users with reliable sources, they usually will relate the same tone.

I would attempt to secure reliable Trenbolone BS, and make your assessment from there brother.
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That is a good point... I remember when SD did come out from DS... no one had the issues that you see today, such as delayed gyno. Hell I dont even know where that phrase was coined. Bottom line is, you didnt see those problems till M-Drol, S-Drol, Drol-Drol, get your shlt jacked drol, etc. all came about.

People being sloppy to cash in on the big thing at the time.

Adams
 
DAdams91982 said:
That is a good point... I remember when SD did come out from DS... no one had the issues that you see today, such as delayed gyno. Hell I dont even know where that phrase was coined. Bottom line is, you didnt see those problems till M-Drol, S-Drol, Drol-Drol, get your shlt jacked drol, etc. all came about.

People being sloppy to cash in on the big thing at the time.

Adams
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Definitely. We had the exact same discussion in another thread.

When you view the pharmacokinetics of these substances in their native capacity, the side-effects should in all respects be minimal; now, obviously in vitro and in vivo are entirely different animals, and effects can be greatly extrapolated from lab assays, but the point remains: Most of the **** sold is dirty.

Here are B5150's comments from an original run of DS Superdrol:

BLOODWORK IS IN: I AM STOKED!!!!

Not just for SuperDrol, but some of you may not be aware but...I really like M1T.

GGT/AST/ALT....realtively untouched. HDL/LDL quite pleased.
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Somehow, we go from original testers having verified blood data reflecting very low amounts of hepatoxicity (though I'm not sure of his full panel, including BGu and so on), to anecdotal reports of 'jaundice'. The pharmacology of methylmasteron is one of extreme anabolism, with attenuated androgenic activity (even being a DHT derivative).
 
DAdams91982 said:
That is a good point... I remember when SD did come out from DS... no one had the issues that you see today, such as delayed gyno. Hell I dont even know where that phrase was coined. Bottom line is, you didnt see those problems till M-Drol, S-Drol, Drol-Drol, get your shlt jacked drol, etc. all came about.

People being sloppy to cash in on the big thing at the time.

Adams
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LMAO Drol-Drol that sht is greeeeaaattt! (Tony the Tiger voice)

Yea I think at this point Mullet, that Tren is probably a bit past my level of experience as far as being able to distinguish whether the sides from it were more like compound a or b. But that is a good point you make. Pharm grade gear from a reliable source or actual pharm and the stuff you get from wwwRoids,com can be quite different for sure. Not always I'm sure but like I said my dumbass wouldn't know the difference anyways lol.......
 
I hate to rehash it but........................................................


heavies said:
Rant of the FVCKING NIGHT............

HERE WE GO..........FTF those bunch of spineless little fvcks came fvcking around with sh!t they didn't know sh!t and created the WORST GODDAMN INDUSTRY IN THE FVCKING LAND I have no idea what I am buying LEGALLY, BUT I KNOW EVERY GODDAMN THING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT ILLEGAL GEAR......WELL WELCOME TO AFVCKINGMERICA!!!!!!!!
Somebody should go find Mark McfvckingDonaldMigure and BUST HIM IN HIS FVCKING MOUTH B!TCH SLAP HIS WIFE AND BEAT DA SH!T OUTTA HIS DOG!!! FVCKING PUNK ASS BEYATCH!!!!!!!!!!!

FTF, FTW, when the people in charge of governing can no longer govern, they have forfeited their right to lead........

EVERYTHING MUST BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!

I am going to eat some eggs FVCK IT!!!!!!!
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..........politicians are the root of this bullsh!t.... when I run for office executive order # 13 will be the decrimilization of roids..... and everyone in the media hung by the neck till dead, for inciting terror over nothing.............
 
heavies said:
I hate to rehash it but........................................................




..........politicians are the root of this bullsh!t.... when I run for office executive order # 13 will be the decrimilization of roids..... and everyone in the media hung by the neck till dead, for inciting terror over nothing.............
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I'll drink to that!!!! (if I drank)
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Definitely. We had the exact same discussion in another thread.

When you view the pharmacokinetics of these substances in their native capacity, the side-effects should in all respects be minimal; now, obviously in vitro and in vivo are entirely different animals, and effects can be greatly extrapolated from lab assays, but the point remains: Most of the **** sold is dirty.

Here are B5150's comments from an original run of DS Superdrol:



Somehow, we go from original testers having verified blood data reflecting very low amounts of hepatoxicity (though I'm not sure of his full panel, including BGu and so on), to anecdotal reports of 'jaundice'. The pharmacology of methylmasteron is one of extreme anabolism, with attenuated androgenic activity (even being a DHT derivative).
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I agree wholeheartedly........ You would think that these guys would atleast have some version of ethics....... I would want to make the cleanest designer possible and have that be my boast...... I am new to the PH's other than orig. 1-AD and 4-AD, and I can tell you this sh!t is fvcked up...... I am a do it yourself kind of guy........
 
Somebody give me the TECHNICAL down low on Epi....... I also want to know WTF is this Trenadrol sheeeyit........ or for that matter Bulk Tabs..... this leaves me soooooo fvcking pissed, I can't get a straight goddamn answer on this sh!t...... its this its that... I mean fvck!! WTF is it???

Thank god for T prop and Tren.......
 
heavies said:
I agree wholeheartedly........ You would think that these guys would atleast have some version of ethics....... I would want to make the cleanest designer possible and have that be my boast...... I am new to the PH's other than orig. 1-AD and 4-AD, and I can tell you this sh!t is fvcked up...... I am a do it yourself kind of guy........
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I think there are a few reputable companies producing quality designer steroids; RPN, IBE, and CEL are the three who consistently verify their product through lab assays. The rest of this junk would never have a chance to enter my body.

You're right though: The highest QUALITY, not cheapest price should drive consumers. Unfortunately, when eighteen year olds hellbent on instant gratification and low on dedication want to get massive on their allowance, time spent researching quality gear and expensive compounds aren't conducive to their goals. IMO, if anabolic supplementation is the chosen route, self-fabricated is the only way to go. You control purity, dosage, and density that way.
 
DA back to your confusion earlier...... we both agreed that Tren Ace can be eaten straight the fvck outta the carts...... would reduction of CYP3A4 and 1A2 add in the bio-availability of the Tren??? If so to what degree, anyone heard of anything real world?? I mean I could make a dermal I guess and have a little more success....... any thoughts??
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I think there are a few reputable companies producing quality designer steroids; RPN, IBE, and CEL are the three who consistently verify their product through lab assays. The rest of this junk would never have a chance to enter my body.

You're right though: The highest QUALITY, not cheapest price should drive consumers. Unfortunately, when eighteen year olds hellbent on instant gratification and low on dedication want to get massive on their allowance, time spent researching quality gear and expensive compounds aren't conducive to their goals. IMO, if anabolic supplementation is the chosen route, self-fabricated is the only way to go. You control purity, dosage, and density that way.
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Agreed!!! LMAO 18 yr. olds buying sh!t with their allowance..... LMAO....


if anabolic supplementation is the chosen route, self-fabricated is the only way to go. You control purity, dosage, and density that way
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Precisely!!!!!!!!!!!! The very essence of enlightenment and freedom is self liberation from the fvcking Matrix......... or at least escaping affluenza....
 
heavies said:
Agreed!!! LMAO 18 yr. olds buying sh!t with their allowance..... LMAO....




Precisely!!!!!!!!!!!! The very essence of enlightenment and freedom is self liberation from the fvcking Matrix......... or at least escaping affluenza....
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Haha; I'm pretty sure that's the first time I have seen Kant's revelations on the Enlightenment applied to homemade anabolics. :lol:
 
Just a few things to add to the discussion:

1. I'd agree with mullet in that tren sides are overplayed. For me the aggravation came from just being so damn sweaty all the time. Fwiw I will never cycle withOUT tren again.

2. Talk about impurities in UG gear. Check this out (I know of more news, articles, etc like this):

This was taken from the August 2008 issue of MD pg. 312
(FYI: im typing this **** not copy/ pasting )

KEEP IN MIND:

* This is a review from a "good" report in Germany
* Analysis of 70 different anabolic steroids and ancillary drug products at the Center for Preventative Doping Research in Cologne.
* All samples analyzed were obtained during police raids of 3 illegal dealers of anabolic steroids
* Tests NOT from the United States
* This small sample is not enough to fairly prove any specific market trend, overall counterfeit prevalence, or brand legitimacy.

ANADROL (oxymetholone)
1. Oxytone 50mg (SB Labs, Thailand) Result: PASS
2. Oxytone 50mg (SB Labs, Thailand) Result: PASS
3. Oxytone 50mg (SB Labs, Thailand) Result: PASS

DECA (nandrolone decanoate):
1. Norma Hellas (100mg/mL) Result: FAIL (testosterone)
2. Norma Hellas (100mg/mL) Result: FAIL (testosterone)
3. Norma Hellas (100mg/mL) Result: FAIL (testosterone)
4. Norma Hellas (100mg/mL) Result: FAIL (testosterone)
5. Decabol 250 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (testosterone)

DIANABOL (methandrostenolone):
1. Anabol 5mg (British Dispensary,Thailand)
Result: FAIL (methyltestosterone)

2. Anabol 5mg (British Dispensary,Thailand) Result: PASS
3. Anabol 5mg (British Dispensary,Thailand) Result: PASS
4. Danabol DS 10mg (March, Thailand) Result: PASS
5. Danabol DS 10mg (March, Thailand) Result: PASS
6. Naposim 5mg (Terapia, Romania) Result: FAIL (methyltestosterone)

EQUIPOISE (boldenone undecylenate):
1. Boldabol 200 (British Dragon, Underground) Result: PASS

HALOESTIN (fluoxymesterone):
1. Fluoxymesterone (IP, Underground) Result: PASS

PRIMOBOLAN (methenolone enanthate):
1. Primobol 100 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (nandrolone, testosterone)

PROVIRON (mesterolone):
1. Proviron 25mg Result: PASS

SUSTANON 250 (testosterone mix):
1. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS
2. Sustanon 250 (Nile, Egypt) Result: FAIL (different testosterones)
3. Sustanon 250 (Nile, Egypt) Result: FAIL (different testosterones)
4. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS
5. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS
6. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS
7. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS
8. Sustanon 250 (Karachi, Pakistan) Result: PASS


TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE:
1. Testex Prolongatum 125 (Q Pharma, Spain) Result: PASS
2. Testabol 200 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (different testosterones)

TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE:
1. Testofort 250mg/mL (Pliva, Pakistan) Result: PASS
2. Testosterone Depot 250 (Eifelfango, Germany) Result: PASS
3. Testosterone Depot 250 (Eifelfango, Germany) Result: PASS
4. Testoviron Depot 250 (Medipharm,Pakistan) Result: PASS
5. Testoviron Depot 250 (Medipharm,Pakistan) Result: PASS
6. Cidoteston 250 (CID, Egypt)
Result: FAIL (includes T. cypionate)

7. Cidoteston 250 (CID, Egypt) Result: PASS


TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE:
1. Testovis 100mg/mL (SIT, Italy) Result: PASS
2. Testovis 100mg/mL (SIT, Italy) Result: PASS
3. Testovis 100mg/mL (SIT, Italy) Result: PASS
4. Testovis 100mg/mL (SIT, Italy) Result: PASS
5. Testovis 100mg/mL (SIT, Italy) Result: PASS
6. Testabol (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (different testosterones)

TRENBOLONE (various esters):
1. Trenabol 75 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (boldenone, testosterone)

2. Trenabol 100 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (boldenone, testosterone)

3. Tri-Trenabol 150 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (trenbolone, testosterone)

4. Trenabol 200 (British Dragon, Underground)
Result: FAIL (trenbolone, testosterone)

WINSTROL (stanozolol):
1. Winstrol Depot 50mg/mL (Zambon, Spain) Result: PASS
2. Winstrol Depot 50mg/mL (Zambon, Spain) Result: PASS
3. Winstrol Depot 50mg/mL (Zambon, Spain) Result: PASS
4. Stanabol 50 (British Dragon, Underground) Result: PASS


VISUAL INSPECTION:
The researchers noted that aside from known underground products from labs such as British Dragon and International Pharmaceuticals, it was not possible for them to ascertain what product was real and what was counterfeit upon visual inspection. While this group may NOT have experience or reference materials necessary to make an upclose product examination and no product photos were provided in the report to reference, it does underline a problem that we have been noticing for a long time. Namely, that counterfeit manufacturing operations are becoming increasingly more sophisticated.

BY: William Llewellyn
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3. Oral and transdermal pellets seem to be effective. But if your not adverse to pinning then its pretty much a waste. I do know a bigger guy who recently put on a good 20lbs using transdermal fina. He loved the cycle. I wanna say he stacked it with bold but I'm not 100% certain.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Exactly what I expected. The trend seems to be universally indicative: Real Trenbolone is becoming scarce.
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I was looking for that same article earlier actually. I read that in my MD a few days ago. I think there were a few more pages of the same kinds analysis but that pretty much sums up the Tren portion from what I read. Pretty poor out look on the Nandrolone as well there.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Just a few things to add to the discussion:

1. I'd agree with mullet in that tren sides are overplayed. For me the aggravation came from just being so damn sweaty all the time. Fwiw I will never cycle withOUT tren again.

2. Talk about impurities in UG gear. Check this out (I know of more news, articles, etc like this):



3. Oral and transdermal pellets seem to be effective. But if your not adverse to pinning then its pretty much a waste. I do know a bigger guy who recently put on a good 20lbs using transdermal fina. He loved the cycle. I wanna say he stacked it with bold but I'm not 100% certain.
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Most of the BD stuff is coming from China..... I use only 1 UG source out of Thailand. Good info......

BS it was in last months MD mag...........
 
bassgod272 said:
So you say tren would be the best option for me? Also, to whomever said it, i'm not worried about "not wanting to stop." When I plan something, I stick to the plan regardless. That's what plans are for :)
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Tren will blow everything else out of the fvcking water!!! I'd say do that sh*t!!! Even 4-6 weeks would do good, though 8+ weeks is the best IMO.
 
Fake roids, Damn!! That sucks. Definately must prevalent with "scarcer" drugs, tren, primo, etc. My bud got some bogus primo, recently, he knew it wasn't primo when he put on 25 lbs in 10 weeks, it was supposed to be a primo only cruise. Must have been test.
 
BlackSheep said:
IDK, but I have it in the other room so it was last months:thumbsup:
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Quit wasting money and get a damn subscription!MD is also a good site to research juice guys.Lots of very knowledgeable guys with plenty experience.When you go to the "chemical enhancement" section,it's just the opposite of our steroid section.It's damn near nothing but the real thing!One thread on tren is called "tren=oh god help!"
 
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