Eform cycle

[msucurt]

34yrs of age
5'11/185/14%BF
training >7yrs
cycles: hdrol for 5wks (PCT for 4wks)

Hello guys, I am currently finishing up y PCT for my hdrol cycle. I have 2 bottles of premixed eform (dermx). I am seriously considering running a cycle of this as either a:

eform standalone for 6weeks
eform/igf-2 for 6 weeks

After reading every page of neoborn's FAQ on eform, i have a question or 2.

1. should i run eform as standalone or stack it with igf-2 or drive?

2. I am currently starting my last week of PCT from my hdrol. I would assume i would be fine with starting eform now?

3. should i taper down or not. I think not, but have read some do (celc5 for instance).

4. what would u suggest as a dosing protocol for a 6wk cycle of eform?

thanks

 

[nosnmiveins]

not sure on dosage, but Eform/Drive stack would be nice

 

[Ziquor]

I'd personally wait a little longer if you want to have worthwhile gains. Formestane has decent binding affinity as an androgen and depending on the dose used it would be somewhat supressive.

 

[msucurt]

I was under the impression that eform is very very mild with very little to no suppression. Also eform requires no PCT in terms of running it with something like eform/igf-2.

I'd personally wait a little longer if you want to have worthwhile gains. Formestane has decent binding affinity as an androgen and depending on the dose used it would be somewhat supressive.

 

[Rugger]

If you decide against it I'll buy the bottles off of you

 

[isoc]

at low dosage, say 50-75mgs per day or Mon-Fri, form will have little suppression, but little activity, mainly some libido, feel good, but to use for anabolic properties you will have to run at a suppressive dose. At 50-75 mgs could stack with divanil and be a nice nha, but as stand alone you will be disappointed. Even at higher dosage is less suppressive than alot of other otc products, but still too soon after cycle for you to really enjoy all the benefits of higher dosage.

 

[celc5]

1. In my experience, formestane overshadows the effects of other nha products. Personally, I'd stack it with a thermo for cutting or with a creatine for bulking. I'd keep it simple so as not to waste my expensive yet less potent nha products.

2. there is no definitive dosage where formestane becomes suppressive that I am aware of. Anything that suggests this is pure speculation. Furthermore, I've never seen ANY evidence to suggest that it is suppressive, only theory. Therefore, running it right now should be fine.

On the other hand, in my experience, I don't respond as well to formestane during pct or shortly thereafter. In which case, now might be a good time to run your igf/drive stack and follow up with formestane in about 8 weeks.

3. I used to taper. However, after several more formestane runs, I no longer taper and have seen no ill effects.

4. Start low in the 40mg twice per day. The ramp it up a little at a time every 5-7 days as needed. I've responded mildly to the 80mg/day dosages and responded aggressively to 260+mg/day dosages.

 

[msucurt]

wow, thanks celc5. I knew you would give some great advice. I was thinking the same as you said about waiting a little longer before i start the eform. I had originally planned on running the following stack, and im gonna run that and then in about 6weeks or so, run the eform/creatine or eform solo.

IGF-2 / DRIVE / RPM / RAGNAROK - - - - run for 4weeks

ancillaries:
xtend / leucine
fish oil
animal flex
animal pak

in about 6weeks or so, im gonna run

eform solo for 6weeks

thanks all

1. In my experience, formestane overshadows the effects of other nha products. Personally, I'd stack it with a thermo for cutting or with a creatine for bulking. I'd keep it simple so as not to waste my expensive yet less potent nha products.

2. there is no definitive dosage where formestane becomes suppressive that I am aware of. Anything that suggests this is pure speculation. Furthermore, I've never seen ANY evidence to suggest that it is suppressive, only theory. Therefore, running it right now should be fine.

On the other hand, in my experience, I don't respond as well to formestane during pct or shortly thereafter. In which case, now might be a good time to run your igf/drive stack and follow up with formestane in about 8 weeks.

3. I used to taper. However, after several more formestane runs, I no longer taper and have seen no ill effects.

4. Start low in the 40mg twice per day. The ramp it up a little at a time every 5-7 days as needed. I've responded mildly to the 80mg/day dosages and responded aggressively to 260+mg/day dosages.

 

[Ziquor]

Excellent info Celc. Likewise there's no way to know at what dose it could become supressive. It's relative affinity for binding to the androgen receptor of 65 is quite high for an AI, and ensures supression. But at I've never seen anyone provide bloodwork who've used high doses.

 

[celc5]

Excellent info Celc. Likewise there's no way to know at what dose it could become supressive. It's relative affinity for binding to the androgen receptor of 65 is quite high for an AI, and ensures supression. But at I've never seen anyone provide bloodwork who've used high doses.

Thanks for the clarification. After rereading my points regarding suppression, the slant in my tone was not intentional. I think we're on the same page anyhow regarding the bloodwork :cheers:

Interestingly, I've never had much androgenic effect from halo, phera, or havoc. But I've noticed acne and aggression with both formestane and trione.

 

[Ziquor]

Thanks for the clarification. After rereading my points regarding suppression, the slant in my tone was not intentional. I think we're on the same page anyhow regarding the bloodwork :cheers:

Interestingly, I've never had much androgenic effect from halo, phera, or havoc. But I've noticed acne and aggression with both formestane and trione.

Yeah, definitely on same page. Sometimes I'm awful at wording my comments and I may come across as an ******* when I'm really not trying to :think: That's interesting about your effects of Phera compared to form/trione.

Trione made me feel pretty agressive too. I plan on running Phera come winter time but one of the reasons I haven't tried it yet is just that. I took Trione as a standalone LONG ago and I felt pretty crazy aggression from just it, so I was sorta thinking Phera may throw me over the edge.

 

[celc5]

Yeah, definitely on same page. Sometimes I'm awful at wording my comments and I may come across as an ******* when I'm really not trying to :think: That's interesting about your effects of Phera compared to form/trione.

Trione made me feel pretty agressive too. I plan on running Phera come winter time but one of the reasons I haven't tried it yet is just that. I took Trione as a standalone LONG ago and I felt pretty crazy aggression from just it, so I was sorta thinking Phera may throw me over the edge.

MSUcurt, feel free to get us back on track while 2 old broskis sidetrack this discussion :run:

Here's my thoughts regarding phera. You can dose VERY conservatively at the 20-30mg range and see unending strength gains and phenominal workouts. But, if you want to increase lean mass, you gotta push the limits. I ran 20/30/40/40/40 but would have gotten to at least 50 if I had a thrid bottle of the 10mg caps.

However, at that dosage, I suspect some strong suppression. Keep in mind that I made more lean mass gains with 75mg Halo than I did with Phera at 40mg. The Halo pct was much smoother as well with less outward symptoms of endogenous suppression. I have similar feelings toward Havoc as I do Phera. I am currently bridging the Havoc into SD.

And to reiterate, no androgenic effect from any of my cycles so far. All the aggression came from adding formestane each time :head: All this hair shedding and aggression effects sound like broski-fairy tales to me