BlackSheep's: NO BS M-Drol Quickie!!!!!
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pantera101
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It hasn't messwed with my sleeping either,and I take one before I go to bed every night.Night time is prime time for grow time!Get you some protien,preferably in the form of whole lean foods,and a dose of havoc!
And yeah BS,I'd just run low dose of nolva myself.....
ecu19
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I would say i'm fairly experienced with SD and avoiding gyno. Try running a low dose nolva (10mg every night) and if you'd like, to reduce the estrogen (puffy nips), try a low dose of atd (12.5-25mg) or Anastrozole (arimidex) at .25mg every day. Some may say tamoxifen inhibits SOME gains, but really I would rather suffer SOME gains than get ***** tits. That's just me though.
BlackSheep
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Thank you brother this is what I was looking for. I was about to go pop some nolva anyways so that's what I'll do. I don't think I'll need the AI if I run some nolva do you??
ecu19
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No you shouldn't if you're just worried about gyno. I would run an AI on cycle just for estrogen management and bloat control!
BlackSheep
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Yea I always read that super lowered estro pretty hard so that's why I didn't really look to far into an AI while "on" this one. I don't care if my nipps get puffy I just don't want it to go past that ya know? I had to run a pretty gnarly pct to suppress a gyno scare I had on epi!! so I'm pretty prone unfortunately:sad:.
Hey should I take like 30-40mgs tonight to get it in my system and then just take a maintenance dose of 10-20mgs from now until the end of pct?
pantera101
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Just keep in mind that nolva stresses the liver too.For that reason I would go with 10 at first.Then again it's kind of a gamble and odds look a little better with going higher,even if just at first.I was wondering,if ones so prone to gyno with designers,what changes with test?Less likely,more likely,depends on individual?
BlackSheep
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IDK but this sht sucks bro, pisses me off really. I have alot to learn before I can start shanking myself. And if I wasn't so prone I'd be good to go like fcuking now lol......It's not fair:whiner:
heavies
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GABA and MELATONIN and you will sleep, this has helped me sleep through some BIG ASS cycles........
ecu19
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I wouldn't take any more than 20mg/day. There is a reason the prescription dose is 10mg/day pills. Anything more really is excessive. Unless of course you have possibly underdosed chems.
pantera101
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You know what you need to do,BS?First get rich,then do some test and d bol,use only test boosters for PCT.Nothing to lower estrogen or to keep it from doing it's evil thing!Then go get the gyno removed along with the glands!
BlackSheep
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Nah, I don't drink dat sht. I prefer tabs....:thumbsup:
BlackSheep
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I almost (and still might) started a thread about this bro. "what do the pro's do to stay away from gyno" lol....
They would have to do something like this wouldn't you think?
I like the get rich part lol....
pantera101
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I have seen before and after pics from pros with previous gyno.I believe ronnie jackson is one.I have never had gyno issues,and have heard others say that too.
BlackSheep
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I have heard the same type of sht myself and we all know you don't get gyno Mr.T....O' hey buddy I got ya a lil somethin:FUfinger: lol.....
futurepilot
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Just too clarify, presciption dose starts at 20mgs, and doctors will prescribe up to and including 80mgs based on results.
futurepilot
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In addition to liver issues, it can effect vision, the heart, and cause blood clots. Just a heads up.
ecu19
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Nolvadex 600's come in a 60 ct. at 10mg each. The 20mg prescription dose that starts at 20mgs is what patients with breast cancer are taking. Although for some they are put on a 5 year 20mg/day preventative plan, others will go by the fact that less is more and dose it at 10mg/day to prevent the side effects, and liver stress.
BlackSheep
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Yea I've used it before and def noticed the vision problem at 40mgs.
thundergod
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So what's your plan Sheepster? I would go with Nolva @20 mg. for a few nights to see if there's improvement. If you do notice improvement, decrease dosage down to 10 mg. per night for the rest of your cycle. Then for PCT you could run it @30/20/20 and you should be fine. This is just my unprofessional opinion however. After a lot of studying on this very subject, I'm left wondering why people want to use 40mg. or more of Nolva. It seems totally uneccesary to run it that high. The lower dosages (20 or even 10 mg.) are all that is needed for most PCT's, from the information that I've gathered. THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
dkkon1
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It wasn't a complete tear, which is good. I can't do any lifting at all (upperbody) for a month and a half, gradually can work my way back up after 2 months hopefully. Doc says consider a different lifestyle!!! I was like: look at me!! What the fvck else am i gonna do for fun?!?!? Nothing a little gh and test won't fix. These oxy's make me feel like i could go bench 75% right now :thumbsup:. To be honest i'm pretty scared if i hurt it again, i won't be able to do this anymore. I think i'd die...
heavies
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YEAH BUDDY!!!!!! I would start some gh with a quickness, like now.....it will decrease your recovery time fo sho.....
dkkon1
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Thats the idea, I timed the surgery so it coincided with the first day of my pct, hopefully that turns out to be a good idea... GH will be starting next week for 6 months 5 days on 2 off for 6 months. Test/D-bol/S-drol/EQ will be starting up sometime in October. Thanks for the advice Heavies.
heavies
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Man, that sh!t sounds good I might run me a T Eq Tren Halotestin stack around that time.... no problems I figured you knew, I just wanted you to be able to get back in the game.....not lifting =sux
BlackSheep
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IDK yet really. Didn't take anything last night cause I wanted to get some opinions on it. Force said drop the SD, bass said don't trip your fine and you say nolva. I like the nolva idea but IDK I might just go without it for now unless I get some pain in da nipps and then start it. I know I dont want to run an AI right now with SD because I have read (I'm sure you have too) tons on this possibly being the culprit for the delayed gyno problems some get. I'm not to worried about get it delayed because I think (just IMO) it has more to do with prolactin and I have that sht covered. So for now I think I'll let it go but you know me that may change by this evening in which case I'll do the nolva at 20mgs. Right now there definitely puffy but no knots and no pain so I think I'm good. I'll be keeping a very close eye on it though from here on out...
Force of Green
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Next time, instead of this God-aweful 'Drol, just some f*ckin test prop, homie. None of this bullshi t, ya know? Test prop and maybe 25-50mg of Proviron for 6 weeks and run a straight forward PCT (6-OXO and Nolvadex).
ThisGuy2
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I swear to God, I f'n love you FOG...you's a hardore mo'fo.
dkkon1
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Great advice :thumbsup: That's the route i decided to go, won't ever run anything without test again, it just makes you feel so good
. Or it makes you want to fight, but those are both positives in my eyes. Wouldn't you agree?
dkkon1
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I think you would have been better off asking him to marry you, on the Scoreboard at Yankee stadium, but thats just me. I love me some dude love.
BlackSheep
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You da man, you da man...And I WILL take that advise. I'm going to ride this mutha out for now but I might throw some nolva in durr to stay on the safe side. Next time I'll get with you and we'll plan out a solid run with the real deal. O and Email sent (fcuking finally) I just remembered this morning lol....ma bad:lol:
pantera101
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Whats the average dosing range for test prop?I'm researching prop,and figure I can ask here with out getting the :gotsearch right?(You know I know I'm comming back to 10 of those b!tches now!)
BlackSheep
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Haha, IDK I think it's about the same as T-e though. I PM'd some guys (dkkon) but I think he's in an oxycotton coma right now lol....
I'll just go to MD and check it out there. But god forbid you ask a stupidass question like that there hu? Those guys are d1cks to be sure...:FUfinger:
pantera101
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Dude thats almost anywhere realy.I got sh!t talked to me for asking if a guys negatives were to slow for doggcrapp at IM!Others were cool eventually once they seen where I was comming from.I have looked into prop over at MD a couple times,but haven't seen anything about the average dosing.I want to stay on the low side of average.I have seen sites that give average doses,but I wasn't interested then.I seem to remember hearing 250-500 is average for test right?I guess with prop you'd just divide the doses acordingly?
TimberLakers
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:gotsearch
Pantera, you f***in Noob. Search these boards, sooo much info. I know soooo much about test prop, but I'm tooooo busy to tell you. Its a waste of my valuable time.
But when you find it, can you post it here? :toofunny:
Pantera, you f***in Noob. Search these boards, sooo much info. I know soooo much about test prop, but I'm tooooo busy to tell you. Its a waste of my valuable time.
But when you find it, can you post it here? :toofunny:
BlackSheep
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500mgs ew is average for test. 200mgs is a trt dose and IMO would have no effect other than shutting you down. But I have heard of guys running 300-400mgs ew with decent results. Most of the prop that I have seen is 100mgs/ml so....an eod of 1ml would give you 300-400 ew whatever I have no idea so I'll stop rambling lo.....
BlackSheep
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OMG....ahh, what a jerk!!! ppfftt :lol:
pantera101
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I'm almost positive average is 250-500.Ofcourse some take more than a gram!I was just over at MD researching cause that site is the sh!t for the real thing man!One suggested a guy to check out professionalmuscle.com,so I'll check it later too.Anyways a guy said that 500 mg's will have you at about 8x's higher than average test levels,so if this is true,then 250 is roughly 4x's higher.I like your idea too though......
And thats always funny TL's,the guys that are so annoyed about the question,but he rants longer than it would take to answer it,and way longer than it would take to ignore it!
TimberLakers
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Yeah, it's so gay... I can appreciate it when the fool is like 12 and types out a half a sentence demanding help... Who wants to help them. But then you have a dude that wants to lose 50 pounds, types out his life story, and fools spike him telling him to research crap...
Anyway, I'd be interested in learning more about test... Sounds pretty gnarly.
pantera101
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this is from a guy at MD who seems to know his sh!t.The OP has high BP and anxiety.
BlackSheep
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:thumbsup::goodpost: How did you get that over here from MD bro??
pantera101
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Man I always wondered this too!It would confuse the sh!t out of me when guys would do it,put quotes in their sig,or quote other sites as I just did.When you find what you want,highlight it,then right click and hit copy.Then come back here and right click where you want it,and hit paste.Then like magic it will appear!Isn't that response so much better than "copy and paste."I have read that so many times.So I would right click and hit copy,but nothing would happen....one day a light went off and I finally got it.Stay in school kids!Aw fvck it!It's not the end of the worl if you can't master a damn computer!Plenty of other options for a career.You got drug dealer,pimping,hooking,illegal casinos,animal fighting........
BlackSheep
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Thanks brotha!!
LMFAO at the life choices man. You should look into being a guidance counselor:head:
Force of Green
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Haha! Thanks man! Keepin it real
Force of Green
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Nice dkkon! I agree that the extra test does have all good effects! lol. I would think that 4-6 weeks of test prop with 50mg Proviron and 900mg/day of 11-OXO would make for a nice lean mass gainer...Great advice :thumbsup: That's the route i decided to go, won't ever run anything without test again, it just makes you feel so good
UnrealMachine
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A good dose for Test Prop is 125mg EOD
75mg ED will work too a lil stronger
M/W/F 150mg
I'm not convinced on 3-AD/11-OXO yet, too many logs saying it's too weak, I don't like the idea of taking 6-8 a day
Test prop and var would be a good lean cycle
course there's always the test prop and tren combo...
75mg ED will work too a lil stronger
M/W/F 150mg
I'm not convinced on 3-AD/11-OXO yet, too many logs saying it's too weak, I don't like the idea of taking 6-8 a day
Test prop and var would be a good lean cycle
course there's always the test prop and tren combo...
edwards
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is it against board regs to throw out some avg prices for 10ml tprop? i'm NOT trying to solicit it from members or anyone else, just curious in case i run across some. i don't want to get ripped off.
i searched the "rules" and couldn't find anything about asking about avg prices. however, i haven't seen anyone else post about this either so this may be a grey area. I don't want any trouble and don't want to get banned. if it is against rules, let me know and i'll move on.
i searched the "rules" and couldn't find anything about asking about avg prices. however, i haven't seen anyone else post about this either so this may be a grey area. I don't want any trouble and don't want to get banned. if it is against rules, let me know and i'll move on.
dkkon1
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Average prop dosages are 100-150mg EOD which equates to 350-525mg week. With the ester weight being around half the weight of enanthane (74 vs. 130) 295mg/wk of test prop would equal roughly 400mg/wk of test-e. So 100eod is definately a decent dose. I agree with the previous poster who mentioned 125 eod. By the way B.S. You can always pm me dogg, i mean the worst that could happen is that i'm all fvcked up and send you some incoherent message about how i was in Vietnam and much my cat pisses me off, but you'd get a laugh out of it... So don't hesitate to ask a question. I get 10 Pms a day as it is.
heavies
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I run T Prop at 200 mg EOD min. no exceptions, however if you want the best possible scenario, I would say 100mgs ED. The ED will keep a higher elevated Test level in the blood than the EOD, but EOD works. I put on 20 lbs last cycle I went 247.5 to 267.5 and am walking right now at 259.5 so I netted 12 lbs. My favorite low sides stack is T prop min. 800mgs/wk with Equipoise in there for 600 mgs/wk, with D-bol pulsed on WOD. T prop is the best test in my opinion it works quicker and is leaner IMO.
I would suggest any noob to run T prop no lower than 100 mgs EOD. Depending on your BW I would also suggest someone bigger running the sh!t at a min. of 200 mg EOD or the ED scheme I spoke of b4. There is a reason why BBer's don't run designers......
FVCK ALL DA BULLSH!T, IF YOU DON"T LIKE PINS THEN YOU DON"T LIKE GETTING SWOLE.....................
I would suggest any noob to run T prop no lower than 100 mgs EOD. Depending on your BW I would also suggest someone bigger running the sh!t at a min. of 200 mg EOD or the ED scheme I spoke of b4. There is a reason why BBer's don't run designers......
FVCK ALL DA BULLSH!T, IF YOU DON"T LIKE PINS THEN YOU DON"T LIKE GETTING SWOLE.....................