Reaper X: 7 month transformation without steroids

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ReaperX said:
"For anyone that doubts food is the greatest anabolic in your arsenal, you better get up to speed and on the same page as what my trainees have found out. " -Doggcrapp
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No $hit. But you vehemently state that it couldn't be done in the 300 thread.
 
Xodus said:
No $hit. But you vehemently state that it couldn't be done in the 300 thread.
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I do believe he dieted, however, I personally believe Gerard Butler was on steroids @ 38 yrs old.


I am 23 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt.
 
ReaperX said:
I do believe he dieted, however, I personally believe Gerard Butler was on steroids @ 38 yrs old.


I am 23 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt.
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I would attribute all of gains to newb gains. It can be quite dramatic on an untrained body.

Vivica A. Fox would be a great example. She trained for 5 months, 7 hours/day for her role in Kill Bill.

She dropped 25-30 lbs and went from a size 10 to a size 4 and got pretty muscular in the process.
 
Xodus said:
I would attribute all of gains to newb gains. It can be quite dramatic on an untrained body.

Vivica A. Fox would be a great example. She trained for 5 months, 7 hours/day for her role in Kill Bill.

She dropped 25-30 lbs and went from a size 10 to a size 4 and got pretty muscular in the process.
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What ethnicity is she? Just sayin......
 
imprezivr6 said:
What ethnicity is she? Just sayin......
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Not sure what difference that makes? Women have higher bodyfat % than men, African Americans typically have less bodyfat % than Anglos. Whether AA's can put on muscle 'faster' than Anglos or Asians, who knows, unless you believe Jimmy the Greek...
 
Royd The Noyd said:
WTF does that have to do with anything????
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It has ALLOT to do with it.. How much does genetics have to do with it? ALLOT.

Here is an exerpt from DoggCrapp on this topic(genetics), and i whole heartily agree.
Ever notice there isnt a preponderance of black people on all these muscle message boards stating "why cant I get bigger?" "how do i get cut up?" or "all drugs!"......the reason? They dont have to! By and large with (one notable exception everyone knows on these boards) black people are genetically predispositioned for this sport. What you basically see on these boards is white kids/men complaining to each other about everyone who is bigger and better than them. I dont know how many times I wanted to yell out to someone *****ing and whining about this crap and say "Hey here is your wakeup call, IM going to **** on your bodybuilding dream parade....YOU DONT HAVE ELITE BODYBUILDING GENETICS, DEAL WITH IT!"
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Some of my good friends are black.. One who is life time drug free, and walks around at 5'10 250+ with abs.

My step dad is black. At 43 years old, and spending the last 15 years stuffing his face with junk food, and lives on ICECREAM, walks around at 5'9 decently lean 200-210lbs with more muscle mass then most of the PH/steroid using kids on this board... he NEVER lifted weights in his life, he used to box in his 20's, and do dips, pull ups, and push ups... I have watched him cut his ice cream back in the summers and he will drop to 195ish with a 6pack..lol

When he sees how i eat, and train, he just doesnt get it. He doesn't understand why it is necessary to live this life style for the measly gains that i get..
 
ReaperX said:
This pic was taken of me in Hawaii back in Oct '07. I was over 180lbs, I think probably close to 186lbs if not higher, 18-19% bodyfat and smooth with no vascularity. I have no actual stats on this as I didn't have a machine to monitor any of it. Case in point, I was heavy, smooth, and overweight.


This pic was taken at the very end of April at 173lbs and roughly at 9-10% bodyfat after cutting since Oct '07.


I didn't use steroids of any kind. My supplementation was clean food, basics, and hard work.


I posted my Hawaii pic in my energy drink thread back last year and I didn't hide the fact that I was heavy.
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So were you 'training' when you were that pudgy little kid?
 
I dont see why everybody is hatin... You can't prove what he was or wasn't on... What's it matter? If this is him, which I do believe... take him at his word and congratulate him... If you wanna argue.. throw some pics up of your own... or prove that it can't be done... either way leave the man alone.

All I can say is congrats... I dont see any reason to sling mud... You have your beliefs about Butler and those are yours... Doesn't matter. People shouldn't bash you for your beliefs...
 
Inarius said:
I dont see why everybody is hatin... You can't prove what he was or wasn't on... What's it matter? If this is him, which I do believe... take him at his word and congratulate him... If you wanna argue.. throw some pics up of your own... or prove that it can't be done... either way leave the man alone.

All I can say is congrats... I dont see any reason to sling mud... You have your beliefs about Butler and those are yours... Doesn't matter. People shouldn't bash you for your beliefs...
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Nobody is hating. Some of us just find it funny that he is arguing both sides of the coin.

Going from a pudgy kid @ 185 @20%bf to 173 @10% in 7 months naturally (which I believe), yet others can't without drugs.
 
No hate here. He's a pretty funny dude from what I've read and pretty knowledgeable about this industry. I just don't think it's reaper based on what he's wrote over the months I've read his posts. I recall him saying in his x-factor log, which I followed throughout, that he decided against cutting. How do you decide not to cut, but manage to get from around 17% body fat (hawaii pic) to the likes of 7% now?

reap seems to talk a lot about this "friend" of his. In another thread he posted :

ReaperX said:
My friend trains DC a lot. He's been doing it for 4 years now and is extremely strong and easlily lifting over double his bodyweight while staying lean at 7% BF.
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Personally, I think they are pics of reaper's friend he is posting. I remember the suit pictures he used to post. If he posts a pic proving me wrong I'll eat crow. I'll be the first to say I got owned if it is in fact him, but again, I don't think it is.

I'm sure this is where I get blasted. :bruce2:
 
imprezivr6 said:
It has ALLOT to do with it.. How much does genetics have to do with it? ALLOT.

Here is an exerpt from DoggCrapp on this topic(genetics), and i whole heartily agree.


Some of my good friends are black.. One who is life time drug free, and walks around at 5'10 250+ with abs.

My step dad is black. At 43 years old, and spending the last 15 years stuffing his face with junk food, and lives on ICECREAM, walks around at 5'9 decently lean 200-210lbs with more muscle mass then most of the PH/steroid using kids on this board... he NEVER lifted weights in his life, he used to box in his 20's, and do dips, pull ups, and push ups... I have watched him cut his ice cream back in the summers and he will drop to 195ish with a 6pack..lol

When he sees how i eat, and train, he just doesnt get it. He doesn't understand why it is necessary to live this life style for the measly gains that i get..
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I know anglo, hispanic and asian guys that can do the same thing...
 
I think he is just saying that at Butler's age it would be hard for him to make that transformation naturally.... At 23, the body should change and adjust a lot better than at 38...
 
Inarius said:
I think he is just saying that at Butler's age it would be hard for him to make that transformation naturally.... At 23, the body should change and adjust a lot better than at 38...
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Does Reaper have any experience at being 38 years old?
 
Xodus said:
I know anglo, hispanic and asian guys that can do the same thing...
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Awesome.. That doesn't make up for the fact that on a WHOLE, it holds true.. There are freaks of nature, in any race... I guess it just so happens that 90% of the black people i know are genetic freaks i guess. And 2% of the white people i know..lol And even that 2% pales in comparison.

Like DC said.. Why are there little to know black people on here crying about not making gains?
 
imprezivr6 said:
Awesome.. That doesn't make up for the fact that on a WHOLE, it holds true..

Like DC said.. Why are there little to know black people on here crying about not making gains?
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Same reason do I not see as many black people in the gym?
 
Bunch of 'old' people's Before/Afters from doing Body for Life 12 week program:

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I suppose they all juiced too...
 
I leave for a few minutes and this thread blows up.


Genetics and ethnicity do have a big role in muscular development.


My friend looks better than me and he is stronger than me. I'll be the first to admit it. His genetics are superior. He is half-african american.



I was mainly cutting since Oct '07 and picked up some muscle along the way. Did I mention that the process was over the course of 7 months ?


I guess somehow in a very homoerotic way I could have asked my friend to pose for me without his shirt on flexing. Then asked for digital copies of his photos that I can masturbate to. Makes sense now that I think of it that way. Thanks for the tip Gator Alum 03.
 
Unless you have a pic that proves otherwise else that it is not me or actual evidence of steroid use other than what I've already admitted to, then shut the f.uck up.
 
Reap... I think your letters are on steroids... in just a few words they have grown to a huge size.... def the roids... lol
 
ReaperX said:
Unless you have a pic that proves otherwise else that it is not me or actual evidence of steroid use other than what I've already admitted to, then shut the f.uck up.
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I don't deny that is you, nor do I think that you have done any drugs other than what you stated. It is an impressive transformation, esp. for one that was busy with school.

Imagine what changes you could have gotten if you were a paid actor, training all day, with professional trainers, nutritionists and the like.
 
ReaperX said:
I think enough people saw my pics to draw their own conclusion that I am removing them at this point.
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I think it's ashame you've actually allowed people to get to you.


Only you know tha real story, but if you were once proud of your transformation, it should remain that way.
 
ReaperX said:
I asked my friend to pose for me without his shirt on flexing. Then asked for copies that I can masturbate to.
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This is going in my signature ;)

But seriously, leave the kid alone, just because he's in contest shape, and 85% of us on here aren't in that shape doesnt make him a user, it just means he had the dedication to get in to that shape, end of story.
 
futurepilot said:
This is going in my signature ;)

But seriously, leave the kid alone, just because he's in contest shape, and 85% of us on here aren't in that shape doesnt make him a user, it just means he had the dedication to get in to that shape, end of story.
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Now that I think about, I should use that in my signature as well.
 
Xodus said:
Not everyone there is on HRT.
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Did i say they were? I asked a simple question..

I think i could guess with 90% accuracy which ones had "help"

It doesn't dis-credit them any in my eyes.. I am glad to see them make dramatic changes in their lives.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Did i say they were? I asked a simple question..

I think it i could guess with 90% accuracy which ones had "help"

It doesn't dis-credit them any in my eyes.. I am glad to see them make dramatic changes in their lives.
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HRT doses I would not consider 'juicing'. I do think that for a 60 yo to have the T levels of a younger man definitely 'helps', but not everyone there is an HRT candidate.

Those are 12 week transformations. Something that some here think is impossible without drugs...
 
From the pictures I've seen (drug users here), I can count on one hand the number of 'impressive' physiques I've actually seen.


But then again since drugs are everything, it's funny why I don't see more pics being put up. :think:
 
This situation reminds me of when I walk into my house, and my girlfriend and her friends happen to be over. All of them - my girlfriend included - are otherwise very amicable, kind, and reasonable individuals; unfortunately, they fall prey to group suggestion dynamics - that is, 'gossiping' in order to differentiate themselves from another women whom they are intimidated by or jealous of. Once one of the women brings it up, the others almost mindlessly join in, supposedly in an attempt to solidify the group infrastructure, and to prove they think the same thing too.

Now, the fact that those of you with a ****ing penis are acting like this makes me want to smash you in the face with my keyboard. Seriously grow the **** up - how pathetic are you? Put down your Hatorade, stop fingering yourself to Reaper's pictures, and move the **** on you pathetic excuses for skin-sacks. And the fact that this behavior is so repugnant it has made me comment more than once, makes me even more irate.

Seriously, who the **** cares? Let me repeat that, as some of you are actually compartmentalizing a part of your day to doubt a random alias on the internet: Who the **** cares? Take your water bottle and squirt the sand out of your coarse vaaahges and move the **** on. Please.

Have a nice day.
 
imprezivr6 said:
Which of those male transformations do you feel are without drugs?
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Gregg Kemp. Because he is Black and it is naturally easier for him to do that because of his genetics. :toofunny:


Thomas Archipley. Looks like a runners body. Not 'hyooge'.

Lynn Lingenfelter. Guy shed 20lbs of fat, added a bit of muscle (just like reaper)

Thomas Phillips.

Abb Ansley. The guy was probably eating 6-800 cals/day prior to the program.

Pamela Akaka

Kelly Adair
 
Mulletsoldier said:
This situation reminds me of when I walk into my house, and my girlfriend and her friends happen to be over. All of them - my girlfriend included - are otherwise very amicable, kind, and reasonable individuals; unfortunately, they fall prey to group suggestion dynamics - that is, 'gossiping' in order to differentiate themselves from another women whom they are intimidated by or jealous of. Once one of the women brings it up, the others almost mindlessly join in, supposedly in an attempt to solidify the group infrastructure, and to prove they think the same thing too.

Now, the fact that those of you with a ****ing penis are acting like this makes me want to smash you in the face with my keyboard. Seriously grow the **** up - how pathetic are you? Put down your Hatorade, stop fingering yourself to Reaper's pictures, and move the **** on you pathetic excuses for skin-sacks. And the fact that this behavior is so repugnant it has made me comment more than once, makes me even more irate.

Seriously, who the **** cares? Let me repeat that, as some of you are actually compartmentalizing a part of your day to doubt a random alias on the internet: Who the **** cares? Take your water bottle and squirt the sand out of your coarse vaaahges and move the **** on. Please.

Have a nice day.
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I think you take this way too seriously bud...
 
Xodus said:
I think you take this way too seriously bud...
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Who asked you to speak? Now return to your corner, clean your immature queefing-match starting vahg, and only move towards the keyboard when a respectable member approaches you to do so. To my knowledge, nobody has done that yet, which would constitute you speaking out of turn. Now shh, the adults are talking 'big talk'. Kay kay? Kay kay.
 
mullet... is that water bottle full of hatorade? hatorade in the coarse sandy vaahge... I'm not sure I like where that's going
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Who asked you to speak? Now return to your corner, clean your immature queefing-match starting vahg, and only move towards the keyboard when a respectable member approaches you to do so. To my knowledge, nobody has done that yet, which would constitute you speaking out of turn. Now shh, the adults are talking 'big talk'. Kay kay? Kay kay.
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I don't need permission to speak, especially from you. Just throwing your retarded comment to me back at you...


First off, I am not in the camp that believes that it is not him, nor do I believe that he didn't do it naturally in the time he states.

Secondly, if you ever talked to me like that to my face, you would be utilizing as much of that free canadian healthcare as possible...
 
Xodus said:
I don't need permission to speak, especially from you. Just throwing your retarded comment to me back at you....
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I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you?

Secondly, if you ever talked to me like that to my face, you would be utilizing as much of that free canadian healthcare as possible.
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:aargh: <---- War Xodus. For some reason, I can't say I'm entirely that frightened. Moving on.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you?



:aargh: <---- War Xodus. For some reason, I can't say I'm entirely that frightened. Moving on.
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Now who is childish? :think:



Sorry, your exact comment was: Let it go bud, you get too worked up me thinks.

Right back atcha tho...


If that is you in your avi, you should be...
 
Inarius said:
sigh....
this is why we can't have nice things....
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Mullet had to come in here and ruin it screaming like a madman.
I'm giving him props for doing an amazing transformation naturally. Not sure how he thinks I fall into the 'hater' category, but I've stopped caring what Mullet thinks...
 
Xodus said:
Now who is childish? :think:



Sorry, your exact comment was: Let it go bud, you get too worked up me thinks.

Right back atcha tho...


If that is you in your avi, you should be...
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Oh, well how's this, as it's your style: you post some too, and after that, we'll compare e-dicks you passive-aggressive piece of trash?! Yes, no? Maybe. I like it.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Oh, well how's this, as it's your style: you post some too, and after that, we'll compare e-dicks you passive-aggressive piece of trash?! Yes, no? Maybe. I like it.
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Passive Aggressive piece of trash? Wow man. Kettle is black I think. Someone needs to relax a bit...
 
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