Ziquor
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Sounds good. I have info on a couple of the priors you mentioned but not all so if you have any info on a few of them let me know, thanks Mass.
OTC Hormone Chart
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Sounds good. I have info on a couple of the priors you mentioned but not all so if you have any info on a few of them let me know, thanks Mass.
TEAR57
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I READ IT I READ IT!
Very informative eh.
kevinm6571
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Looking at the chart, does 1-AD by Advanced Muscle Science count as a prohormone? Does anyone have any experience with this? I know some people using Methyl Masterdrol but I didn't want to use anything methylated.
Ziquor
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Stats? H-Drol is methyl but very mild. Excellent for LB, most experinced side is high BP so preload Hawthorn.
Ziquor
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1-AD on this chart represents the 'original' Ergopharm 1-AD which's a completely different product. The newer version(s) may be added soon, waiting on more reliable feedback.
nunes
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I read on bb.com that PA tested that stuff and the results came mostly dhea(I didn't saw AMS deny), the new 1-ad from ergo is gonna have the pure compound and its a pro hormone to 1-test, if you ask me I believe that this is not a very cost/effective product.
nunes
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craaaaazy prices and I expect weeeeak results
kevinm6571
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So wait till Ergopharm comes out with 1-Ad next week or so??
Ziquor
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Are you set strictly on 1-AD? There's many others out that are better buys & better hormones IMO compared to the newer 1-AD(s). At least from everything I've seen so far.
nunes
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he just have to go to the first page of this thread, there's plenty of them...
Mass_69
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Attached is info on the proposed former OTC hormones. The descriptions are based on what I could remember for the most part. Feel free to add to it with info you have.
Ziquor
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Thanks Mass! The charts have been updated.
Ziquor
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The charts look great man, nice job!
Thanks J! I can't quite remember exactly & I'm feelin too lazy to search after today, but when you ran Halo I know you had solid gains but did you track BF before/after?
Trauma1
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No man, but i wish it did. I will next time for sure though. I can say with all seriousness that you will love the cycle G.
UNCfan1
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Great additions and great info. The only thing I disagree with is Propadrol. From what I have seen with many users including myself its far from a libido killer and gyno usually isn't a problem. But I can easily see how these could happen. Also should be mentioned is the added anti-e to it.
Good stuff!!
Good stuff!!
Ziquor
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Thanks UNC! The next time I update I'll change/add some info.
UNCfan1
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No problem Z. PM Slo-mum if u want, he could give alot more info on the product then me.
kevinm6571
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No I am not strict on 1-ad. I am making moderate gains from my routine of working out, trying for 3500 cals per day, MHP Probolic and L-dopa/ZMA. What do you think would work well without too much liver toxicity?
Mass_69
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I didn't include A:A ratios for them, but I have a few that I dug up:
Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
Hydroxytest (4OHT)-----------------------------25------65
Mestanolone (MDHT)------------------------78-254------107
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MOHN)----------------281------1304
BTW, where'd you get the A:A for Halodrol?
Ziquor
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Ok thanks! For the Halodrol I actually got it 2 different ways. I found an original Epithio write up stating it had an A:A of 1100:91 and that it was about 15x more myotrophic/anabolic than Halodrol. It also stated Halo had a Q of 2.6, so after doing some math I was able to come to an accurate conclusion. Then I ended up finding the Halo A:A #'s in an old ad and my original estimate was almost dead on, just a few off an anabolic.
RealG
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HI, i probably will have a dopping test, for the polician opposites...
Anyone knows the DETECTION TIME of Hdrol ? Halodrol50 clon
Im running a cycle of that product 25/50/50/75
On webs i have readen lots of information but... so bad!
Turinabol DEPOT ------- 11 or 12 months... and similar things
Some people say to me that Oral turinabol dont have a long time in your system... but i want to know that CORRECTLY...
Sorry for my bad english, not my language
thnks!
Anyone knows the DETECTION TIME of Hdrol ? Halodrol50 clon
Im running a cycle of that product 25/50/50/75
On webs i have readen lots of information but... so bad!
Turinabol DEPOT ------- 11 or 12 months... and similar things
Some people say to me that Oral turinabol dont have a long time in your system... but i want to know that CORRECTLY...
Sorry for my bad english, not my language
thnks!
swole210
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When I ran the ORIGINAL Gaspari Halodrol-50, I had some crazy recomp effects! In one month, my body complety changed! I did not take bf%'s nor physical measurements, but everyone was very impressed by the results. if you'd like, I could post them up for you to see.
Ziquor
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HI, i probably will have a dopping test, for the polician opposites...
Anyone knows the DETECTION TIME of Hdrol ? Halodrol50 clon
Im running a cycle of that product 25/50/50/75
On webs i have readen lots of information but... so bad!
Turinabol DEPOT ------- 11 or 12 months... and similar things
Some people say to me that Oral turinabol dont have a long time in your system... but i want to know that CORRECTLY...
Sorry for my bad english, not my language
thnks!
Turinabol DEPOT would have a much longer time in the body due to its suspension. As far as detection times go with Halo, technically it should be right on par with Oral T. With Oral T, I've seen detection times range anywhere from 2-6 weeks. It all depends on your organ/liver health and how efficiently your body clears the compound & its metabolites.
Ziquor
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Thanks Swole! I actually seen your Halo log a while back. Good work - It's a great log. It seems like too many people shrug off Halo assuming it's too mild. But if you add 6-10 pounds of mass while also decreasing BF a couple percent, the overall net mass gains would be close to S-Drol, without as many extreme sides. It's been months since I seen your log, what were your doses?
TheeBC
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Most of us started out the same way, we all hope we can preach good ideas and proper techniques to using this stuff. However, there still is the group of people (like most of us) that experiment and ask questions before research is done and proper cycles are organized. I taught myself very quickly after buying "Mass Xtreme from a Max Muscle" which is IDENTICLE TO AX's Original PP. and IS still being sold. Its 50 bucks a bottle but now Max Muscle Reps this Cellucor company where they mix 3 Ph's in 1 for an ULTIMATE LIVER THRASHING STACK! GET IT NOW!
Ziquor
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I haven't seen too much feedback on this combo either but I think it'd be excellent. Much of lethargy & headaches are due to AAS lowering estrogen too much & also lowering natural testosterone. Superdrol seems to be one of the most extreme with lethargy so 4-AD (the old stuff) should work great with it.
JBerto
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A suggestion: Could you add a list of which PH are 5a-reduced or not?
Thats important for those concerned about hairloss and taking finasteride, because if a PH is 5a-reduced then finasteride cant help blocking testosterone -> DHT conversion
5a-reduced:
1-Test
M1T
Superdrol
Epi/Havoc
Not 5a-reduced:
1,4AD (Bold)
Thats important for those concerned about hairloss and taking finasteride, because if a PH is 5a-reduced then finasteride cant help blocking testosterone -> DHT conversion
5a-reduced:
1-Test
M1T
Superdrol
Epi/Havoc
Not 5a-reduced:
1,4AD (Bold)
Ziquor
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My original post is getting crazy full. I'd like to have this as detailed as possible but at the same time be able to be used as a 'quick' reference. Besides, people have to do SOME of their own research
Thanks for the suggestion though.
Ziquor
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Lol - I've actually put together the nomenclatures recently & thought about adding them but I'm not sure where to include them.
Mass_69
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I see you updated the front page. Niiice!
Couple of things though (you know my anal-retentive ass). In the nomenclature list, you left off a few:
M4OHN (methylhydroxynandrolone) - 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one
4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) - 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one
MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) - 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one
Also, a good addition to the nomenclature reference may be estra = 19-norandrost
There are also a couple of corrections for the updates.
19-Tren Xtreme (Dienolone) should say (Prodienolone) or (Dienolone precursor) or something of the sort, since dienolone is actually the parent hormone.
Promagnon-25 (Clostediol) - I would probably call it Methylclostediol or something since it is 17aa
Methoxy-TRN & Methoxy-TST - I would just write :wtf: for the names
M5AA (Mestanolone) - M5AA is actually the mestanolone precursor, it's 17a-methyl-5-alpha-androstanediol
3-Alpha (3A-DHT) - Same with this one, DHT is the target hormone. It's just the 3a-isomer of 5a-androstanediol
It's looking beautiful though. One of the most complete OTC (past & present) compilations of info guides to date. :thumbsup:
Ziquor
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JBerto
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More interesting nomenclature info:
-Progestins: There are various types of progestins. We can identify the "target hormone" by its nomenclature:
* Nandrolone: 19-norandrost-4-ene
* Dienolone: 19-norandrost-4,9-diene
* Trenbolone: 19-norandrost-4,9,11-triene
(BTW: here is an interesting doc about roids nomenclature: Invalid Link Removed)
-Progestins: There are various types of progestins. We can identify the "target hormone" by its nomenclature:
* Nandrolone: 19-norandrost-4-ene
* Dienolone: 19-norandrost-4,9-diene
* Trenbolone: 19-norandrost-4,9,11-triene
(BTW: here is an interesting doc about roids nomenclature: Invalid Link Removed)
Mass_69
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Don't forget the 17b-hydroxy's & 3-ketone's on those nomenclatures
ex. - Nandrolone: 17b-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one
You're on the right thought process. You can do this with most all of the prohormones. With the 3,17-diols, typically the conversion will be done with 3-HSD, changing the 3-hydroxy to a 3-ketone:
-one=ketone
-ol=hydroxyl
di=2 (ex. - diol=2 hydroxyls)
3,17-diol turns to 3-one-17b-ol, such as 19-norandrost-4-ene-3,17-diol (19-norandrostenediol) becomes 19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one-17-ol (Nandrolone, usually written 17b-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one)
The 3,17-diones work in the opposite manner using the 17-HSD enzyme, changing the ketone at the 17 position in to a hydroxyl:
3,17-dione turns to 3-one-17b-ol, such as 19-norandrost-4-ene-3,17-dione (19-norandrostenedione) becomes 19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one-17-ol (Nandrolone)
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JBerto
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Don't forget the 17b-hydroxy's & 3-ketone's on those nomenclatures
ex. - Nandrolone: 17b-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one
:thumbsup:
Yes, i don't write it to do it easiest to read, cause i want show only the differences between compounds.
BTW, MaxLMG and Propadrol are progestins too, but i don't know whats the target hormone of that PHs. Anybody knows?
Propadrol: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene (& 3-OHAT)
MaxLMG: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Ziquor
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Don't forget the 17b-hydroxy's & 3-ketone's on those nomenclatures
ex. - Nandrolone: 17b-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one
You're on the right thought process. You can do this with most all of the prohormones. With the 3,17-diols, typically the conversion will be done with 3-HSD, changing the 3-hydroxy to a 3-ketone:
-one=ketone
-ol=hydroxyl
di=2 (ex. - diol=2 hydroxyls)
3,17-diol turns to 3-one-17b-ol, such as 19-norandrost-4-ene-3,17-diol (19-norandrostenediol) becomes 19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one-17-ol (Nandrolone, usually written 17b-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one)
The 3,17-diones work in the opposite manner using the 17-HSD enzyme, changing the ketone at the 17 position in to a hydroxyl:
3,17-dione turns to 3-one-17b-ol, such as 19-norandrost-4-ene-3,17-dione (19-norandrostenedione) becomes 19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one-17-ol (Nandrolone)
Good post Mass.
Ziquor
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Not 100% certain. When PA did his OTC 'reviews' he didn't specify what the target is for MaxLMG either. The only thing he mentioned was that it was related to Norbolethone - as MaxLMG can be used to make Norbolethone using two reactions.
firstjustice2
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Im an old pre ban ph user here..ive got it down that epistane and havoc seem to be pretty popular, but Im guess the likes of superdrol and pheraplex are banned as well? What is superdrol NG? 3-AD any good with the aforementioned compounds? gret posts here but no info on where to go to buy the stuff.
Ziquor
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1) Pheraplex was preposed to be banned but it's actual ban date wasn't announced. According to Rick Collins proposed bills as such typically take into effect 30, 60, or 90 days after the proposal date which was June 24th. And it wasn't passed still as of yet so this means the new ban should go into effect either on August 23rd or September 22nd. It will make Pheraplex (DMT), Dienolone Dione (Tren-X), and Boldione (Bold) all schedule III controlled substances.
2) Havoc is an excellent choice, one of the best IMO. Superdrol was never officially banned.
3) Superdrol-NG = Prasterone = DHEA
4) 3-AD is a combination of Androsterone combined with non-methyl Pheraplex, from most initial feedback 3AD is very mild in all aspects.
5) Buy from Invalid Link Removed :thumbsup: