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going to start havoc cycle...question

ibanezman08

ibanezman08

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yeah yeah yeah

another havoc thread.

ok, i'm finally gonna man up and pulse havoc for 8 weeks.

before i start taking about dosages, i have a few questions.

my blood pressure has been in the 130's recently and sometimes even in the 140's. that's pretty high. and i'm doing cardio 4 times a week at 45 min. and dieting right now to get to 9 percent bodyfat. so i'm eating right. anyway, is this cycle going to make my blood pressure go up even more?

another thing i'm concerned about is, i KNOW how to bodybuild so i'm going to gain a lot of weight FAST! everybody is going to notice and some people will know i'm on gear. also, if my strength gains are real fast, my dad's gonna suspect something.

are the gains modest with both strength and weight with havoc or are they explosive?

also, i know with proper diet and training/rest you can keep most of the gains but...am i gonna look like i lost 10lbs after PCT? that would suck.

even though i'm pulsing havoc, i'm still gonna do a minor PCT. i will be using post cycle support.

lastly, is pulsing monday, wednesday and friday at 20mg good for moderate gains?
 
Just make sure you monitor your blood pressure regularly, especially during the first week or two. Pay attention to both the systolic and diastolic pressure. The upper number is the pressure your heart pushes when it contracts, that has quite a bit of leeway. Your diastolic pressure is your heart at rest, when that starts getting up around 95-100, you should really pay close attention to it. I don't think epistane/havoc/epidrol really creates that much of an issue, but monitoring your numbers is always a good idea on any cycle.
 
I would run at least a minimum of 30 mgs. Most people say that 30 to 40 mgs. is the sweet spot. I'm currently running 40 mgs. now and am anticipated good results. I would say only 20mgs if you are running a straight cycle, but since your only pulsing, 30 will be good
Definietly pay some close attention to your blood pressure. I have heard a few people say it did raise it slightly, but not much.

Good luck
 
I just wanted to say that supplementing with 2 grams of Hawthorn Berries everyday for the last 2 months has brought my BP down from around 140/94 to around 126/82!! That's pretty damn good for a natural herbal supplement. And you can even find it cheap at Wal-Mart!! You need to get on the Hawthorn Berries for sure with this run!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thanks guys
yeah i did some research and i realized that my dosage needs to be higher. i'll keep it at 40mg. i've seen the "how to pulse orals" thread so i'm all educated now.

thanks guys

and i WILL try that for my BP thanks.
 
pulsing at 30 my gains were ok...bumped itto 40 for 3 weeks and really started gaining, but i weigh 230 so you should try 20, move to 30 if you think you need it.

dont think you have to worry about people suspecting juice from a rapid gain...looking cut is what makes people more suspicious
 
Make sure to start the HB atleast two weeks before your cycle starts.I would start it right away considering your BP is already raised.
 
thanks guys
this is me natural. so i have experience with bodybuilding. i just decided to take it up a slight notch.

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current stats
5'4 - 170lbs
12 percent bodyfat
 
Just a little info for you.....Cycle support has some hawthorne berry extract in it, but you will probably want to supplement it with more. Were you gonna use CS?
 
partyman43 said:
Just a little info for you.....Cycle support has some hawthorne berry extract in it, but you will probably want to supplement it with more. Were you gonna use CS?
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Or you can pre load the HB and drop it or lower it once you start the CS.Or you could just pre load cycle support but it's not the cheapest.
 
i was gonna use POST cycle support as my pct

really though, it's a weak cycle and plus, i'm pulsing so...i think that's all i'll need for PCT to be honest.

i'm not using any liver support. not with pulsing at a low dose like this.

why don't i stay natrual? why didn't ronnie coleman stay natural?
 
ibanezman08 said:
i was gonna use POST cycle support as my pct

really though, it's a weak cycle and plus, i'm pulsing so...i think that's all i'll need for PCT to be honest.

i'm not using any liver support. not with pulsing at a low dose like this.

why don't i stay natrual? why didn't ronnie coleman stay natural?
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That would probably be enough.You could also throw in some DTH if you wanted.Thats some good stuff!We were referring to cycle support though incase you were confused.

The thing that made me take designers was when I realised that I wanted to be big.I mean truly big!!!Also realising that everyone already thought I was juicing,and that it just doesn't matter if you're natural or not cause like I said,everyone assumes you're juicing anyways once you reach a certain point.Usually about 15lbs of pure muscle gained is a red flag to most.
 
hahahaha
yeah
i've been gettin' **** for years man
people ask what's my secret and when i say 6 meals a day, they look at me weird. haha
 
tru dat man. you should be fine with that as a PCT. Keep us posted as you go along so we can see the results yea?
 
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im gonna start a havoc cyle in about 1 week as well...just got cycle supp and ill preload it for 1 week..does anyone think its better to preload longer?
gonna do a 20/30/30/30...maybe do 40 for the last week..ill see
 
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poppydogg said:
im gonna start a havoc cyle in about 1 week as well...just got cycle supp and ill preload it for 1 week..does anyone think its better to preload longer?
gonna do a 20/30/30/30...maybe do 40 for the last week..ill see
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Yes it's better to preload for longer than 1 week.Most will say two weeks minimum.Main reason is cause HB can take up to a month to get it's full affects.I would go to 40.Have you used a designer before?
 
poppydogg said:
yea pp about 2 yrs ago was my last
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I would go to 40 then.You can always just wait and see how you feel though.You might not feel the need to up it to 40.I just upped the dose to 40 on my havoc cycle today and it's day 8.I will most likely go to 50 later.I have a log,"pantera's vulgar display of power!!!" in the cycle info section.Havoc is mild is why I'm going high on the dose.I did a SD cycle and went 10/10/10.The only thing I should of done different would of been to do 10/10.
 
I don't know about the not-noticeable thing. Its up in the air. Maybe because this will be over 8 weeks people will not notice.

I was 158 in april and after 34 days I was 173! (and I only worked out upper body) Maintaing 9% BF. Veins were stupid huge. I had veins running through my forehead, I could see all the tiny veins in my traps when I flexed. EVERYONE asked what I was on. I did have significant shut-down. Havoc is far from mild. IMO Havoc>Winstrol Oral.

GL man and enjoy the ride. I would definitely find some nolva just incase something goes wrong since this is your first cycle.
 
That reminds me!Do you wo with your Dad?If you do and he's your spotter and all,he will most def notice the weights shoot up out of nowhere..........I work with my Dad and he's never said anything.I actually heard him tell someone how he doesn't notice me getting bigger cause he see's me everyday,but he see's it when he see's older pics.
 
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