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Hows This Aas Cycle

wyte1234

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TEST-E week 1-10 500mg a week, pinning mon/thurs
WINNY TABS (may not do this) week 8-12 30 mgs a day
Nolva 13-17 40/20/20/20
Armidex on hand, i might run with the test because of all the water retention, dont want to look like a bloated monster! haha, and im worried about gyno
milk thistle- when im on the winny tabs
4000-4500cals a day, clean, i'll post my diet later

stats%
AGE-23
Years training-6
weight-214
bf% 14< never really been lower then this, endo-meso
past cycles-0
 
If you can, I may run the Testosterone to 12 weeks; 10 weeks is really only 5 potential week of active time.

I'd implement the Arimidex for sure; it is a very mild AI, and will combat estro-related side effects. Begin it on day one, IMO.

If this is your first cycle, immediately avoid too high sodium intake until you gauge your bloat-response to the Testosterone. Keep diet extremely clean, and go for 9-12 very lean, very clean pounds. This will help you avoid yo-yo weight gain which is incredibly taxing to your CNS, and more importantly, on your psychological mind set.
 
I would lower the tamoxifen to 30/20/20/10. The higher dosage is not necessary, contrary to popular "bro" science.

Also, about the arimidex (not armidex). Why not just run it through the cycle to prevent estrogen bloat instead of "waiting" until it happens? Only my opinion though.

Good luck.
 
along with controlling bloat, arimidex also helps prevent gyno...run it the whole cycle

Nolva should be run 40/20/20/20/20
 
thanks guys i was planning to run arimidex all the way through, but i read that water retetion contributed to strength gains, im trying to shatter my bench plateau that has been stuck at 445 for 8 monthes now, ive tried everything to get past this, and some mass never hurt either
 
Mulletsoldier said:
If you can, I may run the Testosterone to 12 weeks; 10 weeks is really only 5 potential week of active time.

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This is not really true. You should try and find the release times of long acting esthers. You would be surprised. I prefere longer cycles anyway, but for different reasons.
 
jcp2 said:
This is not really true. You should try and find the release times of long acting esthers. You would be surprised. I prefere longer cycles anyway, but for different reasons.
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I do know the release times of long-acting esters:

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However, elimination half-life and active-life are not synonymous. Meaning at 'X' day 'X' amount of compound is cleared (or built up, depending how you look at it) in your system, but that does not mean it has sufficiently acted on receptors at that point. Half-life, at least IMO, should not be the only consideration in running time; many compounds exert effects irrespective of their half-life.
 
Your talking about half lives, i am talking more about the release from the esther, it looks a little different. The majority of the hormone releases from the esther relatively quickly, halflives with long acting injectables is a very basic way of looking at it. I can tell you that i most definately felt test deca the first 4 weeks of cycles. I used to have the charts of the actual releases. Maybe i can find them.
 
jcp2 said:
Your talking about half lives, i am talking more about the release from the esther, it looks a little different. The majority of the hormone releases from the esther relatively quickly, halflives with long acting injectables is a very basic way of looking at it. I can tell you that i most definately felt test deca the first 4 weeks of cycles. I used to have the charts of the actual releases. Maybe i can find them.
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You're right, which is why I mentioned that active-lives (including receptor action, ester cleaving, achieving plasma levels and so on) is different from half-lives. That being said, even if this Test E is 'felt' (not the same as anabolic response, btw) that leaves him 6 weeks of actual 'active' time on the compound - not necessarily enough time to solidify gains, or to justify the total time on. With that rationale, it is simply better to use orals.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You're right, which is why I mentioned that active-lives (including receptor action, ester cleaving, achieving plasma levels and so on) is different from half-lives. That being said, even if this Test E is 'felt' (not the same as anabolic response, btw) that leaves him 6 weeks of actual 'active' time on the compound - not necessarily enough time to solidify gains, or to justify the total time on. With that rationale, it is simply better to use orals.
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I have gained 10 lbs in the first four weeks on test/deca. I never beleived this stuff about not really being on the first 4 weeks. I also knew tons of people who only ran 6 week injectable cycles, they all seemed to make nice gains.
 
jcp2 said:
I have gained 10 lbs in the first four weeks on test/deca. I never beleived this stuff about not really being on the first 4 weeks. I also knew tons of people who only ran 6 week injectable cycles, they all seemed to make nice gains.
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10lbs in the first four weeks is most likely comprised of water, and glycogen, and a very low amount of LBM. Which is the entire point of longer injectable cycles - having the opportunity to synthesize that glycogen into tissue.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
10lbs in the first four weeks is most likely comprised of water, and glycogen, and a very low amount of LBM. Which is the entire point of longer injectable cycles - having the opportunity to synthesize that glycogen into tissue.
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4 weeks on dbol is mostly water as well.
 
so you think i should run the test for 12 weeks mulletsoldier, i mean im not looking to gain huge amounts of mass, and wat do you think about the winny, im still debating whether i should throw this in i hear it hardness you up pretty nice, but it is also pretty rough on the joints, and i no the fluid retenion from test is suppose to combat this but i really dont want brittle joints
 
wyte1234 said:
so you think i should run the test for 12 weeks mulletsoldier, i mean im not looking to gain huge amounts of mass, and wat do you think about the winny, im still debating whether i should throw this in i hear it hardness you up pretty nice, but it is also pretty rough on the joints, and i no the fluid retenion from test is suppose to combat this but i really dont want brittle joints
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I would not run arimidex, from reading your posts it looks like you want strength gains, arimidex will probably hinder them slightly. At least i can say they did for me. Winny is a personal choince, i never wanted to run it even when it was given to me for free. Too harsh on the body and lipids. The thing with arimidex is works rather quickly, if you feel you are getting bloated it will work in less than a week.
 
wyte1234 said:
so you think i should run the test for 12 weeks mulletsoldier, i mean im not looking to gain huge amounts of mass, and wat do you think about the winny, im still debating whether i should throw this in i hear it hardness you up pretty nice, but it is also pretty rough on the joints, and i no the fluid retenion from test is suppose to combat this but i really dont want brittle joints
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I would personally run it for 12 weeks - assuming that effects have begun at 4-5 weeks, that gives you either 8 or 7 weeks to solidify gains.
 
thanks for the advice jcp2, i was kind of worried about the winny, my friend being a powerlifter said he saw way to many people hurt knees and shoulders doing heavy benching and squating while on winny, and another question, i recently broke up with my girlfriend and had to move back in with my parents until i get back on my feet, how noticeable do u think it will be that im juicin'
 
wyte1234 said:
thanks for the advice jcp2, i was kind of worried about the winny, my friend being a powerlifter said he saw way to many people hurt knees and shoulders doing heavy benching and squating while on winny, and another question, i recently broke up with my girlfriend and had to move back in with my parents until i get back on my feet, how noticeable do u think it will be that im juicin'
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If you are well built and you put on 15 lbs it will look like you got bigger. But in reality i would assume you are heavily muscled if your benching big. It is not as notieceable. guys who are 21 and 180 lbs, they get noticed because they go from small to gaining 30 lbs in 10 weeks, it becomes noticeable. My buddy used to keep empty bottles of supps, and when he got on, he would line them all up in teh kitchen for his parents to see. He would take them down when he got off and save them for the next round.
 
thats a pretty good idea with the supps, the only real worry i have is the acne, i no som people dont experince it tho! I no im very sensitive to acne tho, i mean creatine makes me break out like a mofo and other supps too, i can only imagine how im gunna look on test, and i heard accutane would help, but i would never touch that stuff, way too many sides
 
wyte1234 said:
thats a pretty good idea with the supps, the only real worry i have is the acne, i no som people dont experince it tho! I no im very sensitive to acne tho, i mean creatine makes me break out like a mofo and other supps too, i can only imagine how im gunna look on test, and i heard accutane would help, but i would never touch that stuff, way too many sides
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Do a search on B5 somewhere. I know people use that in higher dosages. The only problem i had with acne was dbol. I had painful zits up and down my shoulders at 40mg. AT 20mg nothing. But like i said, when you are muscular to begin with it makes it much easier to hide.
 
i had read that pantothenic acid slows oil production, just didnt ever think about it, and i also read to use dawn antibacterial dish soap for back, shoulders and chest that drys the ouil up pretty well to. i just might order so proactive though it helped with my facial acne. how many ccycles you done jcp2
 
wyte1234 said:
i had read that pantothenic acid slows oil production, just didnt ever think about it, and i also read to use dawn antibacterial dish soap for back, shoulders and chest that drys the ouil up pretty well to. i just might order so proactive though it helped with my facial acne. how many ccycles you done jcp2
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A bunch, stopped about 4-5 years ago. I have been active on these boards for about 8 or 9. I stick to training mostly now.
 
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