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Havoc Cycle log

GtWrestler

GtWrestler

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Took first Havoc Pill tonight. Plan on running a 30mg a week cycle for 4 weeks. Pct with Nolva and some otc test booster. Here are a few beginning pics from today before my workout. Weight 174 height 5' 10".

Full relaxed front shot (just ate bellies swollen.)

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Partial Flex Front shot

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Back shot (im horrible at flexing lats)

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double bi back shot

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Here are some weights from today’s workout
chest)
Bench - 135x15 185x12 205x10 225x8 245x6
Incline Bench - 135x15 145x12 155x10 165x8 175x6
Cable cross overs - 40x15 50x12 60x10 70x8

(tris)
Extension - 40x12 50x12 60x8 60x8
Skull crushers - 50 x 10 for three sets
Dips - 3 sets x 15 reps

(biceps)
screw curl/ hammer curl - (total of 4 sets) 35x15 (for both) 40x8(for both)
superman’s - 40x15 50x10 50x10
preacher curls (machine) - 65x10 75x10 100x10

Also did 110 crunches 75 weighted crunches and 50 iso ab machine dealy.

So this is the beginning. Currently im on a higher rep exercise plan doing chest and arm back and shoulders and legs 3 days on one day off etc. Plan on going to a lower rep back bi, chest tri, leg shoulder split as i go further into cycle.

Feeling good today had a decent workout maybe a little long but felt pumped (as usual) When completed.

meal wise I am eating pretty clean usually around 180-200 grams protein a day give or take (my work schedule can be weird sometimes) plenty of cals and carbs (not too much fatty ****) Looks kinda like this breakfast 8:00 Lean quizene Panini thing 300cals 25g protein and bowl of cereal (will do eggs and grapefruit if i wake up in time) Lunch 12:00 Turkey ham sandwich around 35grams protein with come granola bars and a fruit 4:00 Protein shake 40g protein 300cals (with water) dinner 6:00ish (whenever i get off work) random meat 8beers or 4 scotches (give or take) will get at least 50g protein workout (lol Jk about the alcohol. Gotcha biatchs!!:rofl:) 8:00ish post workout shake and meal usually consists of two cans lite tune 50g protein 3 pieces of bred and whey protein shake 50g protein

I drink at least a gallon of water a day and am taking a multi vitamin, milk thistle, glutamine, glucosamine and now havoc have been taking other sups for about a week and a half now to pre load.

So thats about all ive got its late i feel like thats a decent first post. Excited to see what happens on this cycle a little worried about my member not working like he usually does though... We'll see ill keep yall updated will try and do daily will post new pics weekly and weights as much as i can.

Boon out!:run:
 
First full day of 30mg feelin pretty good lil nauseated right now but i just worked legs.. So I am going to say thats the cause. Other than that been an average day looking forward to this stuff to kicking in. (cant get some of these pics to work. If intrested they're set up in profile pics.)
 
Diet looks in check. I woud up your protein intake and add lots of complex carbs. What "other" support supps are you taking. I usually preload cycle support, r-ala w/biotin,sesamin oil, and fish oil 2 months prior to using methylated orals(2 months preload because these are progressive extracts). I continue the same support supps through pct and then go to one scoop of cycle support for preventative maintenance. My pct is toremifene and drive with an anti-cort the last two weeks.

I just finished a test cycle and ran the last four weeks of the test with havoc. It really helped to solidify my gains. I felt a difference around week 2. The pumps and gains came quick. The sweet spot seems to be 30mg ed for four weeks. Anything more just manifests side effects without added gains.

I will be following your progress and look forward to another havoc solo log. Also, its nice to see someone post pics relaxed without being all pumped.

Good luck with your cycle
 
Thanks for the positive feedback man.

Not really running any other supps besides the ones listed above, if I forgot to post them then here they are - Havoc 30mg 8hours in-between each pill, 4 hours after first pill Milk thistle @ 175mg , 500mg glutamine, 1 Centrum multi, 2g Glucosamine (forgot about the fish oil!! I knew there was something i was leaving out) other then that just protein shakes! Is cycle support worth my time and money since I have already started? I know a lot of people like to use it but i have never known anyone first hand who has. I would have liked to have been running 500test E along with but had a bad connection so that fell through.
What would u suggest for easy complex carbs? I’ve been working on protein intake just hard to find time to fit all those meals in with work and such.
As for the PCT any pros with toremifene over nolva? Also did you see any sides from your Havoc cycle?

My cycle log for today- taken all but one of my pills and today is my day off lifting no obvious signs of anything yet everything still feels pretty normal. Libido may be up a bit but that could just be cuz ima horny bastard. Took in around 150 grams protein today been working on the boat all day so ill throw in a couple cans of tuna before i go to bed so I can hit that 200. Just weighed in at 174. Will keep you updated.

Feedback is appreciated!
 
There is debate on how long Havoc is active in your system but the general consensus is between 4-6 hours so 8 hours may be a little bit to long between dosing. I just started my Havoc cycle 4 days ago I am starting 10 mgs a day though. Lets compare notes in a week and see if there is a benefit of starting at a higher dose. My weigh in was at 178 when I started lets see who pulls the higher lean gain. WOOH prepare to be smoked!
 
GtWrestler said:
Thanks for the positive feedback man.

Not really running any other supps besides the ones listed above, if I forgot to post them then here they are - Havoc 30mg 8hours in-between each pill, 4 hours after first pill Milk thistle @ 175mg , 500mg glutamine, 1 Centrum multi, 2g Glucosamine (forgot about the fish oil!! I knew there was something i was leaving out) other then that just protein shakes! Is cycle support worth my time and money since I have already started? I know a lot of people like to use it but i have never known anyone first hand who has. I would have liked to have been running 500test E along with but had a bad connection so that fell through.
What would u suggest for easy complex carbs? I’ve been working on protein intake just hard to find time to fit all those meals in with work and such.
As for the PCT any pros with toremifene over nolva? Also did you see any sides from your Havoc cycle?

My cycle log for today- taken all but one of my pills and today is my day off lifting no obvious signs of anything yet everything still feels pretty normal. Libido may be up a bit but that could just be cuz ima horny bastard. Took in around 150 grams protein today been working on the boat all day so ill throw in a couple cans of tuna before i go to bed so I can hit that 200. Just weighed in at 174. Will keep you updated.

Feedback is appreciated!
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Toremifene is just less toxic then nolva. I dosed havoc 1pill every four hours so 8am 12noon 4pm around 8pm i detox. You should be getting 1gram of milk thistle per day. Yeah I would get on cycle support asp. Nolva is hepatoxic also.

Protein synthesis is the mechanism in which aas work so I would up your protein even more. Get a couple of gallons of water per day to keep your kidneys flushed from the excess protein.

I experienced absolutely no sides from havoc. Over all just a good solid cycle.

Good sources of carbs are brown rice, oatmeal, pasta(avoid bleach enriched pasta), wheat tortillas, wheat bread. I make sure every meal consists of a protein and carb.

I would also throw in some cissus for joint health. Also, dont ramp up the doses maybe 10 for a couple of days to see if you have a hypersensitivty to it then just run it 30 straight through.
 
Haha Tear your on brother. When are you going to Ramp up to 30? I had not seen the study about the 4-6 hour thing, i saw one that said 6-8 to try and keep bloodpressure from spiking. Mabye ill move my doses to around 5 hours or so and if blood pressure does good move to 4 We'll see.

Jman, if i have already been dosing 30mg a day for 2 full days (today being the third) do you think i would have already shown signs of hypersensitivity? Also since i have already been hitting 30mg daily do you think i would be alright just to keep it there? Would hate to be all yoyo like.
Ill kick up the h20 intake and the milk thistle, going to be hammerin down those gallons!!!

(Ill update cycle progess tonight after i hit back and bis)
 
subscribed. I just finished a havoc cycle and really enjoyed it, I didn't have any sides to speak of, I've gotten some extra acne sense I started PCT but that's it. I drank 1.5 gallons of water min on cycle and still feel that my body needs more water than it ever has, urine gets dark yellow if I drink less than a gallon a day (3 weeks into PCT) so drink, drink, drink! :)

Good luck!
 
OK so I have decided to do 20 for a couple days and then 30 for a couple days then I will hop up to 40 for the rest of the cycle. I had somebody recommend Hawthorne berry if you have any issues with blood pressure especially if you start dosing more frequently. So I posted a thread with regards to my cycle but I accidentally referred to myself as being 19 instead of 21...going on 22... so anyway I will rewrite it and send you a link.
 
GtWrestler said:
4 hours after first pill Milk thistle @ 175mg
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I was under the impression that getting your liver in protect mode before dosing was the way to use milk thistle? Why are you taking it after?
I have been taking it before about a half hour or so before dosing. Am I just confused about something?
 
GtWrestler said:
Haha Tear your on brother. When are you going to Ramp up to 30? I had not seen the study about the 4-6 hour thing, i saw one that said 6-8 to try and keep bloodpressure from spiking. Mabye ill move my doses to around 5 hours or so and if blood pressure does good move to 4 We'll see.

Jman, if i have already been dosing 30mg a day for 2 full days (today being the third) do you think i would have already shown signs of hypersensitivity? Also since i have already been hitting 30mg daily do you think i would be alright just to keep it there? Would hate to be all yoyo like.
Ill kick up the h20 intake and the milk thistle, going to be hammerin down those gallons!!!

(Ill update cycle progess tonight after i hit back and bis)
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Since you are not using cycle support it would be wise to purchase a couple bottles of liquid hawthorne and celery seed extracts. The liquids seemed to have a quicker delivery. If I was in your position I would get the two liquid extracts and continue @30 ed for the rest of your cycle.

Just listen to your body and go to a place with a bp machine and keep an eye on it. Also, I have high blood pressure, its controlled and the cycle support really helps. I am very in touch with my bp and did not notice any changes while I was on.
 
TEAR57 said:
I was under the impression that getting your liver in protect mode before dosing was the way to use milk thistle? Why are you taking it after?
I have been taking it before about a half hour or so before dosing. Am I just confused about something?
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I know this was meant for the op but I dose my supports in the evening. I dont want the mt to have any effect on the active. I just hammer my liver with detox supps. I am getting bloodwork done after pct and will post them.
 
-Finished up bi's and back a couple hours ago, weights have not changed really reps feel about the same so no real gains to speak of yet (this was day 3). Got a pretty painful pump in my abs today during ab workout may have been the incline i was on though.. Still to early to tell.
-As for meals today woke up had 2 full eggs and 4egg whites along with a bowl of life cereal, protein shake, meatball sub 12" (cheated but still has some good protein/carbs/cals) on wheat, can of tuna on one piece of toast with a lil lite mayo in it, one piece of pizza!, leftover red meat for dinner, muscle milk in skim milk (post workout), couple pieces of ham and turkey lunch meat while making lunch for tom. also drank about 1 1/2 - 2 gallons of water today.
-Weighed in at 177.4 just before posting (think the extra weight is due to extra water)
-Additional info- Have been having crazy dreams since day one (think they are due to added anxiety of taking potentially dangerous supplement though) and no libido issues to speak of yet (crosses fingers)
-So that’s about it, off to crazy dream land! :yawn:
-Oh and Bp was 124/69 today.
 
bp looks good. Way too early to see gains but they will come. I know I keep pimpin the cycle support but adding more support supps could curb your anxiety. I also had some very irrational, fantastic dreams while on. Youll prob see more strength gains in the beggining before size.

will continue to monitor your progress
 
-Lifted chest and tris today, same story, weights have not changed I’ve decided to start reppin around 6-10 instead of 12-15 for the time being so I can tell when strength starts to pack on. I will give more detailed posts when gains start. I was planning on doing weekly pictures but seeing as how nothing has really changed I may just do pics biweekly. Also considering posting every other day or maybe once every three days, posting everyday seems irrelevant at this time
-Slept good last night, no dreams though :(
-Well that’s about it sorry this post sucks.
-Boon out!
 
Took a couple days off one was planned and the other I worked a 10 1/2 hour shift of ditch digging and went straight home to pass the FAUK out.
-Lifted back and bi's today, weights still the same may have felt a little more fluid in my motions, feel like I am going to start seeing some improvements soon.
-Sweet ass dreams continue, last night I was blade and was fighting a sorority house full of evil hot *****s. (badass!)
-Elbow joints starting to hurt a little bit, and i have been feeling pretty lethargic lately but i think that could be due to over working myself. I am still getting 8 hours sleep every night, I am looking forward to getting well rested this weekend.
-Will post new pictures on wed. of next week (don’t be expecting to much though have not seen any improvements yet.)
-Still needa get ahold of some ciss and cycle support plan on ordering sometime tom.
-Thats about all ive got for now. Let me know if anyone wants to know anything else or has any suggestions for more info to post.
- Boon out!
 
I have been feeling the dryness in the elbows and wrists as well:aargh:
I have been taking two caps of fish oil a day but T1 recommended increasing that by 3 so maybe give that a try. I am going to start that tomorrow hopefully that will help. Dude if your a ditch digger?! Your body is probably lovin that Havoc. THROW THAT DIRT!
 
-Horrible new update.
-Workouts are starting to feel better
-However on my day off yesterday I am about 90% sure that I tore the acl in my right knee (it has been torn and repaired once before years ago). Was playing golf and over rotated it on a swing and it has not felt right since is unstable and really swollen... Not sure what to do here. I am less than two weeks into my cycle.
-Going to my orthopedic surgeon tom. to have it checked out.. I hope to god it’s just stretched. Not sure what I am going to do if it is torn. May continue cycle and have surgery afterwards may just stop cycle...
-I'll make that decision after I hear from the surgeon though.
 
GtWrestler said:
-Horrible new update.
-Workouts are starting to feel better
-However on my day off yesterday I am about 90% sure that I tore the acl in my right knee (it has been torn and repaired once before years ago). Was playing golf and over rotated it on a swing and it has not felt right since is unstable and really swollen... Not sure what to do here. I am less than two weeks into my cycle.
-Going to my orthopedic surgeon tom. to have it checked out.. I hope to god it’s just stretched. Not sure what I am going to do if it is torn. May continue cycle and have surgery afterwards may just stop cycle...
-I'll make that decision after I hear from the surgeon though.
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Dude that sucks! Maybe if you had not been so lazy and picked up some cissus that would not have happened. You must have hella rotated that swing. Good luck with the surge dude hope everything works out
 
jman2129 said:
Since you are not using cycle support it would be wise to purchase a couple bottles of liquid hawthorne and celery seed extracts. The liquids seemed to have a quicker delivery. If I was in your position I would get the two liquid extracts and continue @30 ed for the rest of your cycle.

Just listen to your body and go to a place with a bp machine and keep an eye on it. Also, I have high blood pressure, its controlled and the cycle support really helps. I am very in touch with my bp and did not notice any changes while I was on.
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Good advice! I will never run a oral without CS, great product! All in one!
 
Bah The lack of CS had nothing to do with it!!(or so i tell myself)
-Got back from the Dr today around 4 they drained the fluid off of my knee and if was bloody (meaning that somthing has been torn) and they found about 4 or 5 strands of cartilage in the syringe they extracted the blood with, Dr said that my ACL seems to still be intact but a tear is not out of the question. Dr thinks that i have just ****ed up some cartilage and will need endoscopic surgery (3-4 weeks recovery)
-As of now i plan on finishing my last 2 weeks of cycle and juts excluding legs! have an MRI tom morning at 7 will update any with and news. Plan on working out back tonight! I will prevail! And still gain more than that lil’ol biatchass tear with no legs!! ;-)
 
GtWrestler said:
Bah The lack of CS had nothing to do with it!!(or so i tell myself)
-Got back from the Dr today around 4 they drained the fluid off of my knee and if was bloody (meaning that somthing has been torn) and they found about 4 or 5 strands of cartilage in the syringe they extracted the blood with, Dr said that my ACL seems to still be intact but a tear is not out of the question. Dr thinks that i have just ****ed up some cartilage and will need endoscopic surgery (3-4 weeks recovery)
-As of now i plan on finishing my last 2 weeks of cycle and juts excluding legs! have an MRI tom morning at 7 will update any with and news. Plan on working out back tonight! I will prevail! And still gain more than that lil’ol biatchass tear with no legs!! ;-)
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Dude, CS has nothing to do with what? I was just saying that is a great product, and is very convenint!
 
The fact that I fauked up my knee. Tear was just givin me a hard time about not getting any.

-Edit- went to work back tonight but ended up getting a massive headache everytime i would do anything over like 5 reps (started earlier today when i ate some shitass Thai food) so did not get much of a workout in today.

- Bp was 130/77 if i remember correctly. Has gone up a bit but not too much.
-Still not seeing much of anything.. Got a decent workout in on arms yesterday but nothing to write home about. Have gotten a few comments about looking bigger but i dont feel like i have put on any real size yet.
-have not have any dreams lately. Libido is sky high definitely gone up a bit (knock on wood haha no pun intended!)
-New pics this wed.
-time to get some sleep have a 40min drive to get MRI in 7 hours.
-Peace love and crabs, Boon out!
 
-Finally startin to see this stuff pay off a little.
Worked chest today
-135x10 185x10 205x10 225x12 255x5 No assisted reps! So bench is finally starting to move in the right direction.
-All other lifts have gone up around 5 lbs or so.
-Joints still feel very dry.
-Excited to see what happens.
 
-Hey biatchs!
-Sorry I have not put new pics up yet but i have been pretty strapped for time lately and have not had a chance to get any new ones. Will try and get some up by this weekend.
-No new news on knee yet will find out tom at 11 40 whether or not i will be getting surgery. Knee does feel alot better since it was drained though.
-Finally starting to see some weight improvement. Worked out arms today.
- Bi's screw curls 35x10 40x10 45x10 could have reped around 15 with the 45's i think.. Standing cable curls with cheater bar 80 x 15 90 x 10 120 x 8. Preachers 75 x 10 85 x 10 125 x 6 then did drop set from 125 to 40
-tri's extensions(double pully cable machine) 90x10 120x10 140x8. cable skull crushers 80x10 90x10 110 x 10 and bench dips, 1 set 50 other two sets 25. Cut them down because my right wrist feels extremely dry and was getting un comfortable.
Finished up with some abs 3sets of 50 crunches 3 sets of 25 weighted ab crunches.
- So weights are on the rise, other then not being able to do legs because of my knee my only other real concern is my right wrist starting to feel really dry in the joint. Anyone have suggestions for a quick fix on dry joints? Also starting to break out pretty bad on back and on face.
-Weight was 180 today at the gym (have not been eating as I should be.)
-Plan on running a total of 4 weeks at 30mg still, so last wed was week 2 this wed will be week 3 and will have one more left. Plan on running torf and natural test booster for pct along with liver, joint, and other health supps.
 
GtWrestler said:
-Hey biatchs!
-Sorry I have not put new pics up yet but i have been pretty strapped for time lately and have not had a chance to get any new ones. Will try and get some up by this weekend.
-No new news on knee yet will find out tom at 11 40 whether or not i will be getting surgery. Knee does feel alot better since it was drained though.
-Finally starting to see some weight improvement. Worked out arms today.
- Bi's screw curls 35x10 40x10 45x10 could have reped around 15 with the 45's i think.. Standing cable curls with cheater bar 80 x 15 90 x 10 120 x 8. Preachers 75 x 10 85 x 10 125 x 6 then did drop set from 125 to 40
-tri's extensions(double pully cable machine) 90x10 120x10 140x8. cable skull crushers 80x10 90x10 110 x 10 and bench dips, 1 set 50 other two sets 25. Cut them down because my right wrist feels extremely dry and was getting un comfortable.
Finished up with some abs 3sets of 50 crunches 3 sets of 25 weighted ab crunches.
- So weights are on the rise, other then not being able to do legs because of my knee my only other real concern is my right wrist starting to feel really dry in the joint. Anyone have suggestions for a quick fix on dry joints? Also starting to break out pretty bad on back and on face.
-Weight was 180 today at the gym (have not been eating as I should be.)
-Plan on running a total of 4 weeks at 30mg still, so last wed was week 2 this wed will be week 3 and will have one more left. Plan on running torf and natural test booster for pct along with liver, joint, and other health supps.
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Fish oil dude helped me alot:trout:
 
Ive doubled up on my fish oil i take 2 at night before i go to bed and 2 inbetween my morning and afternoon pills.. I went and bought a wrist brace today and it helped a little but i dunno sumthin is up. Weights are still on the rise my last set of bench today was 245x9 incline with 70s etc etc.. So weights are up wrist is hurting I still feel about the same size.. Have leaned up a bit though. So far i would have to say that i am pretty dissapointed with the results from this havoc cycle. But i still have one full week left. Will post pics as soon as i get a chance.
 
GtWrestler said:
Ive doubled up on my fish oil i take 2 at night before i go to bed and 2 inbetween my morning and afternoon pills.. I went and bought a wrist brace today and it helped a little but i dunno sumthin is up. Weights are still on the rise my last set of bench today was 245x9 incline with 70s etc etc.. So weights are up wrist is hurting I still feel about the same size.. Have leaned up a bit though. So far i would have to say that i am pretty dissapointed with the results from this havoc cycle. But i still have one full week left. Will post pics as soon as i get a chance.
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Ya dude you still havnt gotten your before pics all up and running. You oughta do that before anything else.
 
They're in my profile pics. U can tell which ones they are by the dates.Not sure why they wont post p right in the log.. Good suugestion though ill see if i cant figure it out
 
Lol **** you.

-On another note. Today is the official end of week three and tom will be the beginning of my last week on havoc cycle.
-Have gotten a few comments about looking more cut up but i feel about the same size.
-After speaking about this problem with a friend i have decided to go all out this week say **** it to trying to stay lean and am going to go balls to the walls. Today i weighed in at 187 (most i have EVER weighed) most likely do to my excessive eating the last couple of days in a desperite atempt to actually get some size out of this cycle. I am hoping to pull a few pounds off this last week so this cycle will not have been in vain.
- Lifted chest today (weights are still going up) Bench 165x12 205x10 225x10 245x10 175x4 incline 135x12 165x10 225x6 cable chest 60x10 70x10 8x10 90x6 shoulder press 3 sets of 10 with 135 and did 3 sets of Arnold’s with 40's at 10 reps. ended with some abs. Will do my best to get some pics up now because if i am going to grow it will be soon. (I hope)
- Boon out.
 
as far as the dosing at 30 per day do u recommend a 10 at say 8am..10 at 2pm and the other 10 at 8pm? I have cycle support and was wondering when is a better time to take the 2 dosages of it
 
Honestly i would say dont put more than 4 hours inbetween pills.. I was very dissapointed with the way this cycle turned out for me.. Put on a little size but not quite what i was expecting. I was dosing every6hours and when i moved it down i started feeling a little better.
 
Yea im gonna start at 20 for the first day then do 30/30/40 . As far as the cyc support is it necessary to take it apart from the havoc?
 
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