Best Way To Take ATD?

thundergod

thundergod

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I know some people don't advocate using ATD in PCT, but I have before, and liked it. I used it the first time in a transdermal. It was really effective. But this time around I was thinking of trying it in a new way to me. I am seriously thinking about making my ATD powder into a suspension. You can put 2 grams into 100 milliliters of extra-virgin olive oil and it will yeild you 20 mg. per 1 ml. serving. You would just have to shake it vigorously before each use. My 20 gram container would yeild me 1,000 servings @20 mg. per serving. Very economical! I was just wondering how many people would advise a suspension over a transdermal or just capping it. I've read that the oral bioavailabilty of ATD is pretty good. I know transdermal is good. Thoughts? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
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If I was going to make a suspension I would probably try to get 2.5 g in 100ml of olive oil so that doses would come out to 25mg's, that seems to be the average dose for most ATD products. I have never personally tried it though so i don't know if that much would fit. I am interested to see how your results are if you do a suspension because I like the ideal a lot and may join you in trying this.
 
pmiller383 said:
If I was going to make a suspension I would probably try to get 2.5 g in 100ml of olive oil so that doses would come out to 25mg's, that seems to be the average dose for most ATD products. I have never personally tried it though so i don't know if that much would fit. I am interested to see how your results are if you do a suspension because I like the ideal a lot and may join you in trying this.
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2.5 grams would fit very easily into 100 ml. of olive oil. That's a lot of oil really. I've made lots of suspensions in the past. I've made them with Horny Goat Weed Powder, Long Jack Powder, and Muira Pauma Powder. They're easy to make. And the oil is good for absorption with the powders as well. Just shake and draw out 1 ml. with an oral baby syringe! Easy!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pistonpump said:
atd sucks.
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That's not fair Piston! ha ha That is only your opinion. I've never had a problem with ATD myself. It is a very powerful suicide inhibitor, capable of lowering estrogen levels better than almost anything besides letrozole or arimidex. If used at the proper dosage (25 to 50 mg.) it is very effective. I've never used over 50 mg. per day either. I know that over 50 mg. and you're flirting with libido issues:sad:. I like to take 50 mg. per day the first week of PCT and then drop down to 25 mg. for the following weeks. I even like it on-cycle sometimes @25 mg. EOD. It really helps to keep bloatage down. And 20 grams for $30 can't be beat! Talk about economical! That's 1,000 20 mg. servings. Should last a brudda a couple of years! Now, I've given you the reasons I like ATD, please give me some as to why you don't. Thanks for your input as always Piston! :box: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Antonek said:
ani idea where can I get transdermal atd ?

dermabolics used todo the stuff but all gone everywhere...
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Buy you some bulk ATD powder and a bottle of Dermabolics Transport Matrix and make your own. It's cheaper this way too! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
That's not fair Piston! ha ha That is only your opinion. :box: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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okay im sorry what i meant to say is that ATD is :dump::lol:

no seriously i agree it is good at what it is meant to do which is inhibit estrogen. Its a compound that can find its place in someones arsenal. I guess im just following a board cult hatred following.... one thing is for sure the stuff isnt friendly on libido.
 
Let me just say that I, too, was blindly following this board's advice to avoid ATD at all costs...
Until I woke up one day (2 weeks post-PCT), with very unexpected, and very aggressive, "delayed" gyno (from SD, of course). I needed something immediately (meaning OTC). Letro is highly regarded for fighting gyno. And from some quick research, I realized that ATD was nearly as effective as Letro, as an AI. And since it's available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, I ran out and picked some up, along with p5p (I was lactating - sux), and nicotine patches (for my nip).
This attack worked very well and very quickly. I can barely feel any gyno behind my nip, and you can't see anything at all.
So now I'm just tapering down very very gradually, hoping to avoid estro-rebound and return of the gyno.
I used 50mg/day first week; 25mg/day-weeks 2 & 3; now at 25mg 4x/week-weeks 4 5 & 6; ending with 25mg 2x/week-weeks 7 8 9 & 10. No libido probs at all, so far.
So I'm now a big ATD fan.
 
ImJ2x said:
Let me just say that I, too, was blindly following this board's advice to avoid ATD at all costs...
Until I woke up one day (2 weeks post-PCT), with very unexpected, and very aggressive, "delayed" gyno (from SD, of course). I needed something immediately (meaning OTC). Letro is highly regarded for fighting gyno. And from some quick research, I realized that ATD was nearly as effective as Letro, as an AI. And since it's available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, I ran out and picked some up, along with p5p (I was lactating - sux), and nicotine patches (for my nip).
This attack worked very well and very quickly. I can barely feel any gyno behind my nip, and you can't see anything at all.
So now I'm just tapering down very very gradually, hoping to avoid estro-rebound and return of the gyno.
I used 50mg/day first week; 25mg/day-weeks 2 & 3; now at 25mg 4x/week-weeks 4 5 & 6; ending with 25mg 2x/week-weeks 7 8 9 & 10. No libido probs at all, so far.
So I'm now a big ATD fan.
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I've had to re-think my my opinions on ATD lately as well. I've been researching my arse off for the last 3 weeks now. I can't blindly follow the board's cult hate-following of ATD, just because it seems cool to be a parrot!!:fool2: I want to ask you one thing however ImJ2X. How are you taking your ATD? Did you cap it, make a transdermal, or make an oil suspension out of it. I start PCT this Sunday and I'm getting ready to crack open my 20 gram container of ATD and probably make an extra virgin olive oil suspenion. 40 ml. of oil and 1 gram of ATD powder will yeild me 40 servings at 25 mg. per serving of 1 ML. Just the right serving size IMO!! I was just wondering how you are taking yours? Thanks!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
I simply bought some Gaspari Novedex XT at Vitamin Shoppe - on sale for $35. I believe the oral availability of ATD is quite good.
What's the theory behind the oil suspension? Does it help with absorption, like taking supps with a "fatty meal?"
 
ImJ2x said:
I simply bought some Gaspari Novedex XT at Vitamin Shoppe - on sale for $35. I believe the oral availability of ATD is quite good.
What's the theory behind the oil suspension? Does it help with absorption, like taking supps with a "fatty meal?"
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It helps absorption and it is just a hell of a lot easy to dose when it comes to powders where you only need small amounts. The 20g's of ATD bulk only cost 36 after shipping, and that will last for about 10 cycles or more of ATD depending on your dosing. I am suppose to get mine in the mail today!
 
pmiller383 said:
It helps absorption and it is just a hell of a lot easy to dose when it comes to powders where you only need small amounts. The 20g's of ATD bulk only cost 36 after shipping, and that will last for about 10 cycles or more of ATD depending on your dosing. I am suppose to get mine in the mail today!
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Yeah the mono-unsaturated fats of the olive oil will aid in the absorption of the ATD. I hear it's best to take your dose at night before going to bed with at least 5 grams of fish oil. This is the way I'll be taking mine. So I'll be getting plenty of good fats with mine! Hey pmiller, are you going to make a suspension out of your ATD as well? And I got mine from BN also. $29.99 for 20 grams. That's 1,000 servings at 20 mg. per serving. You could take 25 mg. per day for 3 years!!:fool2: That's freakin' amazing! This price just can't be beat. I'm going to order a couple of more 20 gram canisters before everyone else starts buying it all up now that Formestane and Trione are getting harder to find. And plus, they're just damn expensive right now! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Yeah TG, this thread actually convinced me to pick it up because I forgot all about suspensions. I plan on making a suspension when I use mine with the EVOO, I was almost thinking about suspending it in fish oil liquid just because I got a bottle of it in my fridge right now but the EVOO just makes more sense. When you say your are taking 5g's Fish oil are you just saying like 5 pills or 5g's of just epa/dha ( which would be around 20 pills) ? Either way I got my vacuum packer ready to seal up my addition 18g so if I like it I may follow suit and pick up a lifetime supply aka maybe another 20g's.
 
pmiller383 said:
Yeah TG, this thread actually convinced me to pick it up because I forgot all about suspensions. I plan on making a suspension when I use mine with the EVOO, I was almost thinking about suspending it in fish oil liquid just because I got a bottle of it in my fridge right now but the EVOO just makes more sense. When you say your are taking 5g's Fish oil are you just saying like 5 pills or 5g's of just epa/dha ( which would be around 20 pills) ? Either way I got my vacuum packer ready to seal up my addition 18g so if I like it I may follow suit and pick up a lifetime supply aka maybe another 20g's.
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I think we'd better stock up on a few more canisters of this sh*t man! I'm thinking that more people are going to start using this again now that Formestane and Androstenetrione (6-oxo powder) are getting harder to find. When you can find them, they're double the price they were just a few months ago! Good thing I have a 20 gram canister of Form and Trione Powder in my stash also. And by the fish oil, I mean I take 4 or 5 caps of fish oil with my dose of ATD right before bedtime. They're 1,000 mg. each. So it's 5 grams of fish oil. Sorry for the confusion. I've just always heard that efa's aid in the absorption of ATD, as it is non-methylated. Have a great day dude! :head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
ThunderGod, not to hijack the thread but with fish oil usually only 300mg is actually omega 3 EPA/DHA and the rest are just other fats. I was hoping you were only going to say 5 pills though lol, I couldn't imagine popping 20caps before bed.
 
pmiller383 said:
ThunderGod, not to hijack the thread but with fish oil usually only 300mg is actually omega 3 EPA/DHA and the rest are just other fats. I was hoping you were only going to say 5 pills though lol, I couldn't imagine popping 20caps before bed.
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Don't ever worry about hijacking one of my threads. I definitely don't mind. It's all good, in Thunder's hood!!:afro: But I do take 20 pills per day though. I take 12 grams of fish oil and 8 grams of flax seed oil in 4 divided doses everyday. I've done this for at least 5 months straight now. And I feel better than ever. I've lost bodyfat and my joints don't hurt anymore. My cholesterol has lowered significantly during this time also. I think you thought I said EPA's, but I was saying EFA's (essential fatty acids). EFA's are the schizzle!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
thundergod said:
Don't ever worry about hijacking one of my threads. I definitely don't mind. It's all good, in Thunder's hood!!:afro: But I do take 20 pills per day though. I take 12 grams of fish oil and 8 grams of flax seed oil in 4 divided doses everyday. I've done this for at least 5 months straight now. And I feel better than ever. I've lost bodyfat and my joints don't hurt anymore. My cholesterol has lowered significantly during this time also. EFA's are the schizzle!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
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Hell Yes, I gave them up a couple months ago to run X-Factor and I definitely plan on getting back on them in another week or two once the X-Factor build up washes out of my system a bit.
 
Alright so I was doing a little cleaning today and I found an old bottle with a pump on it, each put measures 1ml so I was thinking about making my suspension in this, but then I though if I let the bottle sit the ATD will separate from the Oil and whatever was in the pump will probably separate as well so if I shake it the liquid in the pump will not pick up the active at all. So Thundergod when you make yours let me now if the ATD sinks or floats or stays suspended.
 
pistonpump said:
for those prices ATD sounds good! haha.
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Oh no!! You don't like ATD--SQUAWK!! I thought you flew with the rest of the flock of "parrots" constantly squawkin' bout how ATD sucks! Kills Libido!! Lowers androgens!! BLah,blah,blah,......etc.BLAH!! lol JK!! It is a great price Piston. You just have to keep the dosages at about 25 mg. per day. It's just strong sh*t! That's all. Letro will kill libido also in higher than recommended dosages.:trout: You have to keep the dosages low on uber-strong AI's like ATD, Letro, and Arimidex!! We all know the perils of crushing estrogen too much!!:sad:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pmiller383 said:
Alright so I was doing a little cleaning today and I found an old bottle with a pump on it, each put measures 1ml so I was thinking about making my suspension in this, but then I though if I let the bottle sit the ATD will separate from the Oil and whatever was in the pump will probably separate as well so if I shake it the liquid in the pump will not pick up the active at all. So Thundergod when you make yours let me now if the ATD sinks or floats or stays suspended.
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Of course, you're free to make up this stuff anyway you want to. But I don't advise you to do what you're planning with the pump bottle. Those things were never accurate with the doses anyway! And they get clogged---ALOT!!:frustrate Here's what I did. I placed 40 ML. of EVOO in a small baby food jar with the lid OFF, in a pre-heated oven at 250 degrees for 20 minutes for the oil to get hot. Then I poured in 1 gram of ATD powder and stirred it with a fork for a few minutes. 1 gram of ATD Powder in 40 ML of EVOO will yeild you 25 mg. of ATD in every 1 ML dose of your suspension. When it cooled I placed the lid on the jar and shook it for a while. The ATD will suspend or "float" nicely for a minute. It will settle back to the bottom after a minute though. ALL suspensions will! You just have to shake the Hela out of it before every use. Use an oral baby syringe. They're made to give baby medicines with, and have ml. measurements on the side of it. You can get one at WalGreens or Wal-Mart for a little over a buck!! :thumbsup:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
Yeah I will probably do something very similar, just got to find a nice jar. One more question though, why heat the oil? If it just settles anyways the ATD is not really getting absorbed into the oil. I was just planning cold oil and throwing a marble or something to shake it easier. I have never made a suspension before though so I very open to ideas.
 
pmiller383 said:
Yeah I will probably do something very similar, just got to find a nice jar. One more question though, why heat the oil? If it just settles anyways the ATD is not really getting absorbed into the oil. I was just planning cold oil and throwing a marble or something to shake it easier. I have never made a suspension before though so I very open to ideas.
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Baby food jars are perfect. They can handle the heat very nicely. I've made lots of suspensions. I PM'ed bpmartyr, who has made more suspensions than just about anyone I know, before making mine. He suggested heating the oil in the baby food jar with the lid OFF at 250 degrees for 20 minutes. This makes the olive oil much thinner to better mix the ATD powder in. Yes, it always settles back to the bottom. ALL suspensions do. It's not a solution of PEG or alcohol that actually dissolves the powder. But all you have to do is shake the suspension vigorously before each use!! I'd go with the baby food jars and heating the EVOO if I were you. But it's ultimately YOUR decision. Good luck. I already made mine and it shakes up beautifully!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
I've been using 25 mg a day for the last three weeks and had really solid strength increases. I'm fan of it.

I think the REAL reason everyone has bad opinions about ATD is that when it first came out, all of the products recommended dosages that were so high that they completely killed estrogen. Since that killed libido, no one liked it, and so the "Bro-Lore" began that ATD sucks. Personally, I think it's like any other potent compound and MORE is not always better. I would urge anyone who thinks it sucks to low dose it for a month and tell me what they think.

Joe
 
Sounds like a plan buddy, why do I have to keep the lid off though.....J/K. Thanks for your help, keep my updated on how it all works out for you TG. :thumbsup:
 
badfish51581 said:
I've been using 25 mg a day for the last three weeks and had really solid strength increases. I'm fan of it.

I think the REAL reason everyone has bad opinions about ATD is that when it first came out, all of the products recommended dosages that were so high that they completely killed estrogen. Since that killed libido, no one liked it, and so the "Bro-Lore" began that ATD sucks. Personally, I think it's like any other potent compound and MORE is not always better. I would urge anyone who thinks it sucks to low dose it for a month and tell me what they think.

Joe
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:goodpost: You're absolutely right on this one! People were taking 75 or 100 mg. per day and wondering why their joints were aching and their d!cks were limp!!:eek: I take 50 mg. ED the first week of PCT, but then after that it's 25 mg. ED for the rest of PCT. This dosing works very well!! Sometimes even on-cycle, if I feel estrogen-related bloatage coming on, I'll take 25 mg. EOD and it works very well!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pmiller383 said:
Sounds like a plan buddy, why do I have to keep the lid off though.....J/K. Thanks for your help, keep my updated on how it all works out for you TG. :thumbsup:
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If you feel like it, drop by my cycle log and you can see my progress as I approach PCT Sunday. My log is called, "Thundergod's 3-Week Blitz-Krieg". Let me know how your ATD suspension works out as well pmiller!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
pistonpump said:
so this bulk deal is at BN?
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Yeah Brah, it's BN! 20 grams could literally last you a couple of years at least. 20 grams will yeild 1,000 doses @20 mg. each dose. It's amazing really!!:eek: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:EDIT: Just remember Piston, to keep telling everyone else that ATD sucks, so they don't buy all of if it!! lol
 
thundergod said:
Yeah Brah, it's BN! 20 grams could literally last you a couple of years at least. 20 grams will yeild 1,000 doses @20 mg. each dose. It's amazing really!!:eek: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:EDIT: Just remember Piston, to keep telling everyone else that ATD sucks, so they don't buy all of if it!! lol
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TG , when you have a chance try the IDS PCT TABS, man I was sceptical at first but a friend of mine took them on a superdrol pct and he said they work great so I decided to try them, bro they are fantastic , they got atd and a lot more goodies , libido goes trough the roof and I felt wonderful on them you really fell test and dht surge.
Give them a shot next time
 
pmiller383 said:
Yo Thundergod, how are you storing your remaining powder?
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I put the lid back on!! lol :rofl:Sorry, I couldn't resist! I put the ATD container in an airtight zip-lock baggie and squeezed all the air out. And I store it in my dresser drawer. It's best to keep it air tight in a cool dark place. I store all my PH/PS's and other AI's like this also. I keep my crib very cool. My Nordic blood loves the cold weather! So a cool dark place is no problem here!! ha ha THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
nunes said:
TG , when you have a chance try the IDS PCT TABS, man I was sceptical at first but a friend of mine took them on a superdrol pct and he said they work great so I decided to try them, bro they are fantastic , they got atd and a lot more goodies , libido goes trough the roof and I felt wonderful on them you really fell test and dht surge.
Give them a shot next time
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Thanks for the tip nunes! I might just give 'em a try next PCT. But this time, I'm sticking to my PCT plan outlined in my log. PCT starts tomorrow. I'm ready for the challenge!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
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