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Wet With Epistane

pallojaakko said:
I`m on my third week also now with Epi and i`m getting the same symphtoms ,fist week i felt awsome and work out`s were great.

But even though occationally i feel week and tired i haven`t lost any strenght though, just my muscles feel really beat,almost like i`ve been overtraining them.

And i`m losing my appetite as well.

I`ve been using low doses just 10mg`s a day.
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I haven't lost my apptite (although I am tired of eating, luckly I am almost done and will be able to cut back a bit) and yea I still feel strong in the gym and once I get going I am still able to push hard it's just hard to get going. I am working on a solution and I will let you know if it works.
 
Australian made said:
PP is great for bulking, unfortunately it gave me gyno in the 2nd week but 5-8kg would have been a piece of cake. Wasn't even going crazy on the calories either. SD i haven't taken before but from hte hundreds of threads i've looked through an 8kg gain over a month isn't out of the ordinary. Fact is with a lot of these ph's there effects start to diminish after 3-4 weeks but the sides may continue to increase. If PP didnt give me gyno i honestly dont think i would bother with any other ph on the market, strength and mass gains were insane.
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Yeah strength and mass gains were insane for me too but any technical reason why running one alone would giv same result?
Surely if one is more anabolic and one more androgenic, surely stacking them would make sense yes?
Bummer about gyno. Any other anabolics appart from PP u used and thought worth while?
 
quick update; cycle is going great, strength is excellent thus far and i feel very good which is pleasant surprise considering all the orals. sorry i have not been posting often as of late but i'm trying to spend some time with the family. weight is up to 265 and seems pretty solid, friends are commenting that i look leaner so that is cool. chest and back today followed by a nice bbq. i will miss my once every 7-10 day cheat meals come july 14th when i start my diet but it is all worth it. just as a side note 12 months ago i was just 204 and now here I'm up 61 pounds and i still have abs (4 of them at least) so i guess something worked
 
hey phil what does your pct for this beast look like. and why the orals someone with your caliber needs better quality AAS especially at that dosage.
 
Thanks for the words of wisdom, I do agree that this stack is the not the safest stack ever designed but I doubt 30 days of this will kill me. With that being said progress has been great as my strength is still increasing and I'm up a few pounds. Tomorrow is leg day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
phil216 said:
Are you taking anything else?
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Only Cycle Support by AX.

I know i usually respond well to most supplements,meaning if most people get good results with 20mg`s i can do only 10mg`s and get the same results.

Also when i get a new supplement i have`nt tried before i try it first alone.

Oh and nice to have you posting here,i also want to know how your cycle goes.
 
phil216 said:
I will probably be using this for 4 weeks

40-50 mg EPI

45 mg phera

30 mg sdrol

I know it is tough on the liver but I will try it out. Currently around 260 at 5'9 with abs and good separation and my strength is good:

Squat 675x7 (parallel)

Deads 570x6

Bench 395 x 9
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You my friend are f*cking gnarly.:eek: 3 methyls? AT HIGH DOSES?! Wtf ... why on earth wouldn't you just go under the needle at that point?!

I can hear your liver dying. lol. Well dude, at least it seems like you know what you are getting yourself into... I guess... best of luck homie
 
This stack is no joke and to be honest i would not reccomend it. My gains have been very good, I'm not looking to put on much weight at this point I'm really looking for quality right now and the stack is delivering that. My migraines have been acting up and they have been very nasty, not sure if they are a direct result of this stack or not as I do get them but they have been more frequent and more severe. Not sure if any of you get them but they are not fun.
 
phil216 said:
This stack is no joke and to be honest i would not reccomend it. My gains have been very good, I'm not looking to put on much weight at this point I'm really looking for quality right now and the stack is delivering that. My migraines have been acting up and they have been very nasty, not sure if they are a direct result of this stack or not as I do get them but they have been more frequent and more severe. Not sure if any of you get them but they are not fun.
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So Phill, I'm sorry but I have to ask this question. With all of the warnings your getting in this thread and the increase of something like Migraines, why continue the stack in it's current form? maybe drop it back a bit? Just a concern for your health dude. Good Luck.
 
phil216 said:
This stack is no joke and to be honest i would not reccomend it. My gains have been very good, I'm not looking to put on much weight at this point I'm really looking for quality right now and the stack is delivering that. My migraines have been acting up and they have been very nasty, not sure if they are a direct result of this stack or not as I do get them but they have been more frequent and more severe. Not sure if any of you get them but they are not fun.
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I mean, I know you are a big guy, who has obviously done something like this before, and I am not trying to tell you what to do because you probably have a lot more experience than I do. But don't you think that symptoms like that might be your body telling you somthing?

What do you mean by "looking for quality"?
 
I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk
 
phil216 said:
I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk
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You don't think that you could gain 3-5 solid lbs of LBM simply on superdrol? I would be so pissed off to run superdrol to find I couldn't gain 5 lbs from it... I probably wouldn't ever do a designer again.

I mean I know that you are at the point where adding any solid weight is a feat in itself, esp. compared to a guy my size, but... I dunno dude, you are a braver individual than I. I hope everything goes well for you at the doctors office.
 
phil216 said:
I'm actually going to see a neurologist in the next few days to get checked out. I have gotten migraines before any of this stuff but not as often or as severe so I will have that checked out. By quality I mean I do not wish to gain 10 pounds of crap to see the number on the scale go up. I would rather gain 3-5 pounds of good weight then 8-12 of junk
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Good luck Phil, I hope everything goes well I have been following this. keep us posted bro.
 
thanks and i do appreciate all the concern. aside from the migraines (which suck) the results have been very good. i have gained about 5lbs and it has been good weight, my strength has been exceptional, did pulldowns with the 250lbs rack plus a 45 for 7 slow controlled reps with pauses in the contracted position. off to bed soon, thanks again for the well wishes.
 
neurologist is lined up for next week, after I see him I will post the results of that vist. Thus far my BP has climbed a bit and I'm now at 155/90 and I just do not feel very good at all. When I'm in the gym lifting I feel strong but the rest of the time I feel like crap. Makes me wonder how the truly huge guys like Jay, Ronnie and the rest do it. The dosages these guys use must be huge and they must feel the sides if I'm feeling it from this.
 
phil216 said:
neurologist is lined up for next week, after I see him I will post the results of that vist. Thus far my BP has climbed a bit and I'm now at 155/90 and I just do not feel very good at all. When I'm in the gym lifting I feel strong but the rest of the time I feel like crap. Makes me wonder how the truly huge guys like Jay, Ronnie and the rest do it. The dosages these guys use must be huge and they must feel the sides if I'm feeling it from this.
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I don't think those guys are running designers. I am pretty sure they have the real thing and plenty of it. I doubt they run too many orals either since they have to be "on" for so much of the year. I mean, when your yearly budget for juice at those levels is $30,000+, well... I think that my money would be spent on more serious stuff. But yea, I am sure they have their own issues with lethargy and whatnot, but I bet the money those top guys make (I say top guys because there is about 4-8 guys making real money and the rest don't make ****) makes up for their feeling ill.
 
GMG760 said:
I don't think those guys are running designers. I am pretty sure they have the real thing and plenty of it. I doubt they run too many orals either since they have to be "on" for so much of the year. I mean, when your yearly budget for juice at those levels is $30,000+, well... I think that my money would be spent on more serious stuff. But yea, I am sure they have their own issues with lethargy and whatnot, but I bet the money those top guys make (I say top guys because there is about 4-8 guys making real money and the rest don't make ****) makes up for their feeling ill.
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I agree 100% on the designers and orals but the sheer volume of stuff they use must have an impact. I guess in addition to being gifted in the sense that they grow very easily they must also be blessed with the ability to not suffer all the possible sides
 
phil216 said:
I agree 100% on the designers and orals but the sheer volume of stuff they use must have an impact. I guess in addition to being gifted in the sense that they grow very easily they must also be blessed with the ability to not suffer all the possible sides
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I dunno about the sides issue. I think that they have a pretty serious PCT regimen and some of those guys have some real serious sides. Look at Branch Warren's face. Now don't get me wrong, I think Branch is the man, but he looks like a straight roid monkey. You can't tell me that guy hasn't suffered side effects. Trey Brewer is going bald at 22 (not that guys don't go bald at 22, but judging that he is 300lbs at that age suggests some side effects there). You can't tell me that trey's voice should be that low naturally. Look at Jay Cutlers head, that sh*t isn't normal.

That being said, yes I think they have the genetics to be much less susceptible to the side effects and have the means to fight back much easier than the average guy does.
 
I always take my pct very seriously and my cycles are 30 days or less but the designers are rough. I remember usinganadrol and or d bol when i was younger and I did not have issues like this.... the good old days.
 
phil216 said:
I always take my pct very seriously and my cycles are 30 days or less but the designers are rough. I remember usinganadrol and or d bol when i was younger and I did not have issues like this.... the good old days.
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Really? A-bombs are supposed to be the worst thing out there as far as sides go. From what I understand, Dianabol is less side effect heavy.

You can still get that stuff... just gotta pay for it.
 
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