dermacrine equivalent to mgs of test?
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Eric Potratz
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The 4-5 pump dose of Dermacrine has been compared to 150mg of Test Enanthate by several long-time TRT patients. Some guys say it provides even more of a mental and energetic kick than testosterone too.
I wouldn’t go over 5 pumps a day or you risk getting too high of DHEA levels which would likely just give you anxiety, restlessness and maybe some estrogenic sides.
-Pp
ozarkaBRAND
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Makes me want to try out dermacrine more and more!!
Dolmance
New member
Thanks for your reply. Is that 150mgs of test e per week?
I am contemplating using dermacrine to replace 4-ad in a 1-test/4-ad cycle, as I seem to be having a hard time locating bulk 4-ad powder recently. Would 4-5 pumps of dermacrine be sufficient to counter the lethargy produced by 1-test?
Eric Potratz
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Yes, 150mg/week.
Dermacrine is probably thee' most effective pro-hormone product for countering lethargy. Major neuro-steroid activity with Dermacrine.
-Pp
strategicmove
Legend
Yep!
json75
Member
Are you using dermacrine solo?
json75
Member
How does it compare so far?
Do you mean you using Dermacrine solo, or combined with test gel?
Jeff
Active member
Today was the first day, so it is too early to tell, although I did notice some more energy today. I am using it solo, I stopped TRT last fall when I had surgery and I don't have the cash to restart right at the moment so I though I would give this a try. My test levels are constantly around the 200 mark with estrogen levels usually ranging between 25 and 30 when I am off TRT so I will give this a few weeks and do a blood test to see how it is going.
I did 4 pumps and couldn't find anyplace fee to rub the 5th on
It smells exactly like the compounded test cream.Hyde12
Well-known member
Do you recommend taking an anti-e with Dermacrine?
Eric Potratz
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Not generally, but if your prone to estrogenic sides and water weight is a concern then you may benefit from a low dose AI.
-Pp
Hyde12
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Cool, thanks.
hardknock
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yeah, I was doing it solo because I usually solo any supp at first to weigh the effectiveness.
hardknock
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Back-right shoulder, back-left shoulder, upper bicep/tricep right, upper bicep/tricep left, and across chest-collarbone.Today was the first day, so it is too early to tell, although I did notice some more energy today. I am using it solo, I stopped TRT last fall when I had surgery and I don't have the cash to restart right at the moment so I though I would give this a try. My test levels are constantly around the 200 mark with estrogen levels usually ranging between 25 and 30 when I am off TRT so I will give this a few weeks and do a blood test to see how it is going.
I did 4 pumps and couldn't find anyplace fee to rub the 5th on
Oh yeah, and the testicles, but I personally have NOT tried this one, though I hear it is VERY effective.
Jeff
Active member
cool, i will try that. I was staying away from my upper back, I figured the skin would be to tough from all the sun exposure. I was afraid to do the sack, didn't want a bengay kind of a burn
Force of Green
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Dermacrine should not be used in PCT? I hear a lot of people using DHEA in PCT... this has probably been addressed, but can Dermacrine be used in PCT? I know Sustain Alpha is recommended... but I'm curious about Dermacrine.
Eric Potratz
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We dont recommend it anymore. Too much hormone is getting in to the system with Dermacrine and it interferes with the body's natural production.
-Pp
luclyluciano
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150 mgs seems like a descent amount.. would this be enough to pack on some new muscle??
Eric Potratz
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You bet... you will get a pretty significant androgenic/anabolic boost from Dermacrine.
-Pp
Dogsoldier
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I am finishing my first 4 weeks of an 8 week run of Dermacrine/Phyto-Test. Bottom line is this, I am 52. I break my ass in the gym, eat right and take care of myself. Still by the middle of the day, I am dragging my ass at work, get grumpy, actually teared up at a chick flick the wife dragged me too :aargh:. When the doc ran my blood it showed I was in the bottom 1/3 of the range and my HGH was non-existent. He has been refusing HRT because "You are just getting older" and told me to take B12 for energy. (Hey doc, I just told you I'm taking ADAM multi-vitamin and am getting 3Xs the recommended B12 already) Now, I can deal with getting older, but when your system is all out of whack, something needs to be done.
All I can say is that the Dermacrine/Phyto-T has delivered like promised. My energy is way up. I am not crashing before lunch and falling asleep in front of the TV at night. And more importantly, I haven't got weepy at movies since starting this stuff. So, there is definitely something going on. I am planning another round of blood work on the 7th or 8th week so I can rub the doctor's nose in it.
Oh yeah, my work out sessions have improved. My focus is better and I can get in the extra set or two. And I have added another 10 minutes to my cardio which was an impossibility a few weeks ago.
The only problem with Dermacrine is that I will have to stop for a month or so to reset everything. Sustain Alpha and Endo Amp is my PCT. I will be chomping at the bit to do another cycle.
All I can say is that the Dermacrine/Phyto-T has delivered like promised. My energy is way up. I am not crashing before lunch and falling asleep in front of the TV at night. And more importantly, I haven't got weepy at movies since starting this stuff. So, there is definitely something going on. I am planning another round of blood work on the 7th or 8th week so I can rub the doctor's nose in it.
Oh yeah, my work out sessions have improved. My focus is better and I can get in the extra set or two. And I have added another 10 minutes to my cardio which was an impossibility a few weeks ago.
The only problem with Dermacrine is that I will have to stop for a month or so to reset everything. Sustain Alpha and Endo Amp is my PCT. I will be chomping at the bit to do another cycle.
luclyluciano
Well-known member
That's exciting to hear. My body seems to be changing...obviously it's too soon to see results...plus I am taking Yohimbine plus Anabolic Pump in an attempt to get a serious body recomp.
One things for sure...The Dermacrine is giving me sustained energy thru-out the day. I am not even needing my Vitamins for energy like I used to.
Highlanda01602
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Moooootivation.
I'm not one too push supplements on the younger crowd, yet alone steroids and prohormones... BUT, I'd say Dermacrine is one of the best "first cycle" supplements one could use.
I say that without demeaning or minimizing what Dermacrine can do. I'm 22, and I had the exact same stack - Dermacrine + Phyto-Test for 4 weeks. I train Crossfit, with a lot of aerobics, so I'm more for the performance maximizers rather than the mass bulking agents. I was incredibly pleased with what this simple combo brought to me. I was running around 30-35 miles per week, and strength and muscle gains continued to increase. It may be less effective in the younger crowd, but wow does this stuff still work. On the recent sale I grabbed two more bottles of Phyto-Test... will be tough holding them off until their time comes!
luclyluciano
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I'm on Dermacrine now...although its good for energy...I still think my choice of epistane for my 1st cycle was much better than DHEA. there was no doubt that it was working...whereas with dermacrine if it wasn't for the energy boost I wouldn't be sure.
Dogsoldier
Member
Out of curiosity, could you explain this a bit further. I have though of using epistane, but never did.
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
Epistane is potent steroid. The majority of users run the compound solo, and turn great results from the average dosage. Dermacrine is a potent as well, a PH, but it is not regularly used as a stand-alone. Commonly used as a stacker with other compounds, such as Epistane for example. I'm hesitant to call it a sidekick, so I'll refer to it as the ideal compliment to a steroid/PH cycle.
As you have probably learned, the vast majority of gear users will use injectable testosterone as their base, and then will branch off (if planned to) to stack it with other goal specific compounds... strength, mass, fat loss, whatever it may be. Dermacrine is in a way the "testosterone" in the legal AAS world, despite it being comprised of different ingredients. It combats lethargy, improves libido, and makes you just feel great while on it.
For a first time cycle, Epistane will bring more impressive gains, without a doubt. A very potent steroid, with suprisingly minimal sides. I mentioned that Dermacrine may be a suitable choice for a first cycle as it is unmethylated, and there is even less of a risk for sides. Lethargy is close to an impossibility as well on Dermacrine, while Epistane there is some reports of so. Both a great choice for a first cycle, maybe even better stacked together... when I think "first cycle" I tend to think of the least sides so that the individual can get the feel for the process.
Dogsoldier
Member
Thanks. I decided to try the Dermacrine because of the disappointing results from DHEA oral and some other OTC suppliments. In fact, the DHEA pills did absolutely nothing for me and at one point I was taking 200mg per day. What attracted me to Dermacrine is the ingredients to prevent conversion to estrogen and estradol that is common with extended DHEA use. My thinking was pretty much, one bottle can't hurt if this stuff is a waste. Dermacrine was a definite pleasant surprise. Thanks again for the input. For the heck of it, I will do some reading on Epistane.
Dogsoldier
Member
Can't answer the epistane question. I won't be looking at using that for several months.
The Dermacrine is a lotion. Primordial recommends 4-5 squirts of the stuff, then apply it to your shoulders, inner thighs and if you really want to be hard core, scrotum. This reportedly give you about 60mg transfered directly into the blood stream via absorption through the skin.
luclyluciano
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Dogsoldier
Member
luclyluciano,
So you do the epistane orally or do you make up a transdermal?
So you do the epistane orally or do you make up a transdermal?
luclyluciano
Well-known member
Orallly! Works great!
Zippyxxx
New member
Wouldn’t 150mg of Test Enanthate(per week) be enough to shut you down but not enough to see significant results, or are you just using Test Enanthate as an analogy?
I was under the impression that when using testosterone as an anabolic enhancer and not so much for HRT that you would want to be between 500 and 1000 mgs per week?
If one were to use Dermacrine as a stand alone product, is the recommend dosage enough, or is this product more of a “support system” for your natural testosterone production as well as and cortisol control?
Eric Potratz
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150mg/wk TE is appropriate for athletes that don’t want to gain a lot of weight, but want a performance boost. This is what Dermacrine will give you – and yes it will inhibit natural testosterone production.
I’ve seen guys not gain a lb on 1gm/week of test simply because training and protein intake was lacking. My point is that results are heavily dependent on diet and training. You can make significant gains from 150mg/wk if your training and diet are dialed in.
Dermacrine at 5 pump ED will produce good results on its own, and works well as an “ace card” to break through plateaus. It also stacks very well with other PH’s or AAS’s for more significant gains.
-Pp
wheels
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So would that be 50mgs everyday or 50mgs every other day ?
Eric Potratz
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wheels
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arom-x
Eric Potratz
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wheels
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I had planned on using dremacrine with 1,4ad for a 8wk run.
poopypants
Banned
what dose of 1,4ad?
The thing you have to realize specifically with these two compounds is they reach their target compounds via reaction with the exact same enzymes..... dunno what the saturation levels are with these enzymes and after all people did use to stack hefty doses of 1-AD and 4-AD BUT they only delt with one type of enzyme for one conversion not 2 different types of enzymes used for multiple conversions..... jus tsomething to think about.
wheels
Active member
about 600mg-800mg aday ,so should I run them back to back or what would you suggest ?
Eric Potratz
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You could run them at the same time. Most of the conversion of Dermacrine is happening in the skin, before it even gets to the blood stream.
It would be a solid stack.
-Pp
wheels
Active member
what would you recommend to bridge from the cycle into pct,and what would your pct look like ?
Eric Potratz
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I wouldnt bridge anything. I would just drop the cycle after 30 days and begin the Invalid Link Removedright away.
-Pp
poopypants
Banned
true. cause the M14 would be using the ones in the gut and liver correct?
Id really like to see these results.
Force of Green
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"Doofy, did you say you just went... poopy?"
poopypants
Banned
LOL.... dude my kid crapped on the ground yesterday.... not fun.
Eric Potratz
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Yeah… not a lot of steroidogenic activity happening in the gut or liver… a little activity in the blood though.
-Pp