Best Prohormone?

[BrownBound]

M1-d

I agree with every one who said M1-D is garbage. I took a cycle of it and felt some decent gains but 2 weeks after i was off i had lost everything. And yes I had a PCT.

 

[clayu86]

Just as Epi/Havoc are steroids. This poll should've been deleted long ago it sux.

agreed

 

[carygott]

what do you think is a better prohormone?
after looking at all of the thread I'm not sure what is.
thks!

 

[Al Shades]

M drol is a superdrol clone, not near as affective as the original but hey most nockoffs arent. However im not saying M drol is a bad product-it has been getting some good reviews.

Why isn't it as effective as the original?

 

[AM07]

Not even one person in this thread mentioned anything about 1-AD?

 

[carygott]

what is the name and producer of 1-AD?

I still can determine what PH you guys think is great

 

[Ziquor]

M drol is a superdrol clone, not near as affective as the original but hey most nockoffs arent. However im not saying M drol is a bad product-it has been getting some good reviews.

Why isn't it as effective as the original?

This is quite an odd claim and untrue. SNS made an exact duplicate of the original Superdrol. CEL made an exact duplicate of the SNS product (proven in a few different 3rd party lab tests). The raws materials used to make them are all 100% identicle - you do the math. And BTW - WHY IS THIS POLL STILL BEING DISCUSSED? Look at the awkward choices - 2 good steroids, 1 good PH, and then DHEA.

 

[AE14]

gotta agree with some of the other that Epi is the best of what is listed. but also it is truly dependent upon goals. For some superdrol is king, for me, yikes!!!!

 

[AM07]

Comparing Epistane to Phera-Plex, which is better?

 

[MuscleMadness]

This poll forum has almost ruined PH's for me..... Anyone else?? Ah yes, and that video about the gyno, if half of those guys actually even had gyno, then i think i must have it! 75% of them had fine nips and chests, don't believe most of them were a problem... but whatev. Other then that, I liked the run-down of the basics for pct NEOBORN, being that most don't even search b4 they start an article or ask questions on these forums, thats why I believe that it's fine the rip them a new one for asking dumb questions that they could have easily done a search for. I did research for a few months b4 I ever joined my 1st forum... Just my $.02. Delete this forum b4 it ruins anyone else's views of PH's!! LOL
REPS to NEOBORN!


MM

 

[callaway]

M-drol is identical to the original superdrol. Hence the term "clone".......

M Drol is a supplement made by competetive edge labs it's pretty potent for it's price actually very potent i gained quite a few pounds but for the money Methyl V test by Muscle fortress is the best by far with 3 methylated substances it's the best.

Are you really endorsing the use of a compound with 3 methyls?!?! Wreckless posts....

 

[xtraflossy]

This is quite an odd claim and untrue. SNS made an exact duplicate of the original Superdrol. CEL made an exact duplicate of the SNS product (proven in a few different 3rd party lab tests). The raws materials used to make them are all 100% identicle - you do the math. And BTW - WHY IS THIS POLL STILL BEING DISCUSSED? Look at the awkward choices - 2 good steroids, 1 good PH, and then DHEA.

Now, I could be wrong here, but Ive never known SNS to make an EXACT "clone". Their 2-ene, was something like 70/30 isomer A&B mix, and their SD was simular.
I also ran the original SD, ran out, and had picked up a bottle of SNS, which felt slightly "off", then what I was taking.

While SNS did make an ALL 2-ene, and an ALL SD product, beleive the isomer's used were NOT %100 one type or the other.

 

[Ziquor]

Now, I could be wrong here, but Ive never known SNS to make an EXACT "clone". Their 2-ene, was something like 70/30 isomer A&B mix, and their SD was simular.
I also ran the original SD, ran out, and had picked up a bottle of SNS, which felt slightly "off", then what I was taking.

While SNS did make an ALL 2-ene, and an ALL SD product, beleive the isomer's used were NOT %100 one type or the other.

I'm not sure about the purity of SNS 2-ene. The Superdrol clone topic I seen a while back, I'll try to find the threads. There was a rep from SNS & Designer Supps who both confirmed their S-Drol was identical long ago. And CEL took off using the same materials for M-Drol as SNS used for their S-Drol clone. As for 2-ene, I actually wonder if there was ever a 100% pure isomer-A 2-ene other than the original.

 

[xtraflossy]

I'm not sure about the purity of SNS 2-ene. The Superdrol clone topic I seen a while back, I'll try to find the threads. There was a rep from SNS & Designer Supps who both confirmed their S-Drol was identical long ago. And CEL took off using the same materials for M-Drol as SNS used for their S-Drol clone. As for 2-ene, I actually wonder if there was ever a 100% pure isomer-A 2-ene other than the original.

I'll look as well, but I recall SNS's drol was the two isomer's (in whatever ratio's), where as AX was just the one.
Not that there was much difference in the results.

 

[Work]

Since this contains preban M1t, then it's a cinch. 4AD, followed by 1-test. 4ad was the nuts.

 

[JonLanni]

H-Drol is the best PH

 

[Ziquor]

H-Drol is the best PH

As far as 'all around' goes, it's definitely one of the best IMO.

 

[bbcr11]

But at what dose? In a stack or standalone?

 

[luclyluciano]

As far as 'all around' goes, it's definitely one of the best IMO.

I have only ever taken Epistan (E-max by Juggernaut) and liked it alot..right now I am trying Dermacrine from Primordial...good energy boost so far. I was contemplating doing an H-drol or 11-oxo cycle next, then possibly an M-drol cycle. My question is why is the H-drol best over all and how is it better than Epistane?:run:

 

[Ziquor]

As far as 'all around' goes, it's definitely one of the best IMO.

Overall in terms of side effects vs gains Halo & Epi would be my top two. Halo typically has little to no sides for most with the exception of elevated BP. Plus the big decrease in BF = great overall gain in LBM.

 

[INKTOXICATED]

i agree with the last comment bout the video. im comparing my chest to some of them and it would appear that i have gyno too. my chest/nips look diffirent from before i did a cycle of havoc.

 

[luclyluciano]

i agree with the last comment bout the video. im comparing my chest to some of them and it would appear that i have gyno too. my chest/nips look diffirent from before i did a cycle of havoc.

I could be wrong but it think it is impossible to get gyno from Havoc/Epistane! They are supposed to reduce gyno!!

Lucky:toilet:

 

[carygott]

what is the dose of Havoc you like to take?
what do you combine with it to get the pump and mass gain?
what is a great attitude/energy sup to take with Havoc?
thks

 

[luclyluciano]

what is the dose of Havoc you like to take?
what do you combine with it to get the pump and mass gain?
what is a great attitude/energy sup to take with Havoc?
thks

>I take 30-40mgs per day.
>The pump happens on it's own with good heavy lifting & proper diet...nothing more than that needed.
>Dermacrine is fantastic energy hormone to take with it.

Lucky.

 

[carygott]

thanks lucky, Will try both.
About 4 weeks ago I finished 4 weeks of AX Superdrol NG and AX Mass FX. Good mass and attitude building. Sexy full pump. I am on a proper protein diet.
Taking AX PCT now. How long should I wait till starting Havoc and Dermacrine?
How do I keep the pump after exercising and getting pumped? Any suggestions?

 

[carygott]

Lucky
Do you take all 30 to 40 mgs of Havoc per day at one time?

 

[Erekose]

I could be wrong but it think it is impossible to get gyno from Havoc/Epistane! They are supposed to reduce gyno!!

Lucky:toilet:

I got my worst gyno episode ever after two weeks of Epidrol. I have used a lot of real gear and some new designers. Epi was the only thing to cause me problems.

 

[Ziquor]

I got my worst gyno episode ever after two weeks of Epidrol. I have used a lot of real gear and some new designers. Epi was the only thing to cause me problems.

I still question the logic behind the companies who marketed their Epi product as having AI / SERM-like properties - just because the non-methyl version does. That's like saying Boldenone and Dianabol should act the same.

 

[Mu5tang69]

4AD Transdermal hands down for me

which most of u already know it converted to TESTOSTERONE

 

[BigMfer]

The list is too limited - Almost setting up EPI as the best, which IMO, is not.

I'll bite, what is in your opinion Superdrol?

 

[Erekose]

I still question the logic behind the companies who marketed their Epi product as having AI / SERM-like properties - just because the non-methyl version does. That's like saying Boldenone and Dianabol should act the same.

Agreed - and I never intended to use it that way. I assumed with all the talk it would be a nice, mild cycle at 30-40 a day.
The 1cm painful lump under my right nip was not part of the plan.

 

[thornboss]

i have had good gains (size, weight, strength) on havoc. It seems I have the whole pro hormone or test booster thing worked out until I start reading in here again. Havoc is a pro hormone, correct? What is the difference (in dummies terms) between a pro hormone and test booster? What is better? Can you cycle them together? Alternate one after another? PCT in between? What is a good test booster to gain size and strength? Not too worried about dry right now. Just want to put on size. What percentage of protein intake should be real food or does it matter? Oh ya... no smart ass comments please. Ha ha. PM me if you have constructive advice. THanks.

 

[jsalmons119]

i have had good gains (size, weight, strength) on havoc. It seems I have the whole pro hormone or test booster thing worked out until I start reading in here again. Havoc is a pro hormone, correct? What is the difference (in dummies terms) between a pro hormone and test booster? What is better? Can you cycle them together? Alternate one after another? PCT in between? What is a good test booster to gain size and strength? Not too worried about dry right now. Just want to put on size. What percentage of protein intake should be real food or does it matter? Oh ya... no smart ass comments please. Ha ha. PM me if you have constructive advice. THanks.

You probably shouldnt be doing ph like havoc if you dont know the difference between a test booster and a ph. Anyway, test boosters boost your natural test productions and ph convert to the target hormone in the body at an unnatural level.
M drol sucked for me. All it did was raise blood pressure and I didnt get any significant gains from it in strength or size, and epi just made me feel terrible and i had dry red eyes and my head itched. they both sucked, or im just a non responder.izza:

 

[Ziquor]

You probably shouldnt be doing ph like havoc if you dont know the difference between a test booster and a ph. Anyway, test boosters boost your natural test productions and ph convert to the target hormone in the body at an unnatural level.
M drol sucked for me. All it did was raise blood pressure and I didnt get any significant gains from it in strength or size, and epi just made me feel terrible and i had dry red eyes and my head itched. they both sucked, or im just a non responder.izza:

Epi isn't a PH, it's a potent steroid :thumbsup:

 

[jsalmons119]

Epi isn't a PH, it's a potent steroid :thumbsup:

it is a designer steroid yes, but he was talking about ph's. but havoc is epi=steroid. But i was a non responder. I think its garbage personally, but props to everyone that loved it. Oh another side of epi was bloating, but no strength, endurance or muscular gains.:dump:

 

[angel77]

I definately had gains from Methyl 1D and Liquid Masterdrol and did NOT lose any hair. DHEA? I don't think so. It's funny that a product as highly advertised always gets a bad rep. It may not be the best product out there but I gained 10lbs of muscle on a 4 week cycle. Now in September of 08' with quite a bit banned, what else would you suggest now as a TOP QUALITY EFFECTIVE DS/PH?? Cheers, Adrien

 

[angel77]

Epistane??

Epi isn't a PH, it's a potent steroid :thumbsup:

Can you still purchase this OTC? I see a company that makes a product claiming to be Epistane. Where would I want to look?

 

[Ziquor]

I definately had gains from Methyl 1D and Liquid Masterdrol and did NOT lose any hair. DHEA? I don't think so. It's funny that a product as highly advertised always gets a bad rep. It may not be the best product out there but I gained 10lbs of muscle on a 4 week cycle. Now in September of 08' with quite a bit banned, what else would you suggest now as a TOP QUALITY EFFECTIVE DS/PH?? Cheers, Adrien

Methyl 1-D is a form of DHEA, ask LG. As for the Epi's they're everywhere. I'd go with either E-Stane from CEL or Havoc from RPN. If you had gains from that DHEA you'll become a beast from an Epi compound.

 

[cassimus]

epistane, havoc, halodrol......new to these if i wanted lean hard mass which one would be the best investment

 

[Ziquor]

epistane, havoc, halodrol......new to these if i wanted lean hard mass which one would be the best investment

Epistane, Havoc & E-Stane are all Epithio compounds which are the same thing - just different companies. If I had to pick between them I'd get either E-Stane or Havoc.

H-Drol is a bit milder than the Epithio's and may exert less sides. It's great for lean mass.

 

[cassimus]

what brands should i go with i know that with all supps there are s*it nock offs

 

[Ziquor]

what brands should i go with i know that with all supps there are s*it nock offs

CEL or RPN

 

[nemo]

I tried halodrol in March, very good lean mass and strength gains. My libido was through the roof. I want to do an epi cycle and am putting all the pieces together now, possisle run in October. I want to put up pics also, but I understand I need a certain amount of posts,... so it begins!!!

 

[cassimus]

which halodrol did you use i have ran across a few over the internet?

 

[Ziquor]

which halodrol did you use i have ran across a few over the internet?

That there is but our H-Drol is the only one that I know of where every batch is tested for purity :thumbsup:

 

[mattakaspeedy]

For starters M1T is a steroid and not a pro-hormone, so it shouldnt even be in the list. And second M1T is far better than anything in that list. How can people say epi is better than m1t ???

 

[carygott]

what is M1T?

Also who do you think makes the best oncycle support?

 

[BigMfer]

what is M1T?

Also who do you think makes the best oncycle support?

M1T is is Methyl 1 Testosterone. It very potent to your liver and does a hard shutdown. Google it my friend.

I do Liver Care by Himalaya. Buddy had liver cancer and doc had him use this.

 

[Ziquor]

For starters M1T is a steroid and not a pro-hormone, so it shouldnt even be in the list. And second M1T is far better than anything in that list. How can people say epi is better than m1t ???

This is a subjective opinion. M1T is an extremely potent steroid, probably the most toxic oral steroid ever released. You can run M1T & have great gains but feel like $hit the whole time from the sever water retention, etc. Epi is also a steroid yet much easier on the liver, much easier on cholesterol, and provides good solid gains w/o water retention while still making the user feel good ON cycle. Very subjective of which is 'better'.

As for this poll it should have been deleted many months ago. Asks for the best PH yet the list includes only 1 PH, 2 steroids, and DHEA. And the poll still gets replies :think:

 

[BigMfer]

Typically a sign of the user debating which one to run for a cycle. So, why do I keep posting and bumping it up :aargh: