I can personally vouch for LG Sciences' MMV2. I ran it double-dose at the request of the LG reps for 30 days. 6 caps per day! It was for a cut I was doing. I lost 5 pounds, but looked bigger at the end of the cycle. I got leaner and stronger at the same time! On a very low carb diet. Check out my log on it under, "MMV2=Meister-Mayhem-Violence-2 All" log! Click on my avatar and check the pictures from 5-15-08 and compare them to the older pictures from 2-08. It's good stuff. I only use it now for pre-workout like the old M-5AA and MDHT. I recommend it!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: