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Havoc pulse log (6weeks)

evolution said:
when I started pulsing, I took 2g of Taurine. Meanwhile I'm in my 4th week, and now I'm on 5,5g..

If I don't take this much at the moment, training sucks because of the backpumps
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How do you describe this backpumps and where do you get you're taurine.

Thanks
 
most vitamin stores have it.gnc, vitamin world, vitamin shop, i think wall mart even carries it. cheap
 
I buy all my stuff on bodybuilding.com.

yesterday I trained Back and biceps, went very good. :) Super straingth, and even after a great Back workout, I could also really train hard on the biceps.. :)

But this morning I was really sore. I don't know if it's just from the hard trainings lately, or if the Havoc has something to do with it.
It has been a long time, that I've been this sore after a workout :)
(not that is really a problem, just noticed it. :) )
 
friday and saturday was rest, this morning trained chest and triceps, and went super again. Straingth keeps increasing (end of week 4 now).
muscle soreness is also gone after the 2 days rest, feel great at the moment

just have to make sure I get enough sleep, that's the key with the Havoc :)
 
I'm running a straight cycle of Epidrol right now (I'm starting week two tomorrow) and sleep has deff been an issue for me also. Just can't seem to sleep though the nigh even taking 50mgs of benadryl WTF!!
 
Hey brother, thank for the regular updates and information, will be startign my cycle next week, really excited, I see your taking a cort blocker on off days as well. What's your reasoning behind this?

and also if you dont mind could you break down your pct for me, as to how you will dose it, and what weeks? As I am deliberating whether to use 6oxo along with PCS for PCT like you.

thanks man!
 
Craigmatthew said:
Hey brother, thank for the regular updates and information, will be startign my cycle next week, really excited, I see your taking a cort blocker on off days as well. What's your reasoning behind this?

and also if you dont mind could you break down your pct for me, as to how you will dose it, and what weeks? As I am deliberating whether to use 6oxo along with PCS for PCT like you.

thanks man!
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I got the info about the cortisol blocker from Dr D his article, this is an extract:
Also important to remember is nutrition. Have a good, high calorie post work out meal and eat sufficient protein, especially on off days. Off days are also a good time to take a cortisol antagonist or even just low dose DHEA (25-50mg) if you are a slow healer or hard gainer especially. Although pulsing is a great way to avoid suppression, if you are extra sensitive to shut down or using a compound that will normally cause very fast shut down, an AI based test booster can be administered on off days or daily to further punctuate the hormonal "bounce back" in the quest to avoid the need for PCT post cycle.

Not everybody is suggesting to take a cort blocker, but I based myself on Dr D's article. See also his post on 'how to pulse orals', it's really interesting. He knows what he is talking about :) So I followed this.. :)

PCT will be:
-Post Cycle support: 2 caps AM 2 caps PM for 4 weeks
-cortisol block

won't use the 6-OXO
 
checked my weight again yesterday evening: 93,2. So +3,2kilo, I'm now in my 5th week :)
(3.2 kg = 7 lbs)

yesterday trained schoulders and legs, went great again. :)Today is again Havoc day, and I train back and biceps..
 
the latest I've taken until now is 6.30pm (being then my post-workout dose)
I normally go to sleep at 10.30-11pm

I don't have any problems with sleeping. I only had some bad nights when I went from 30mg to 40mg. But after some days, sleep was ok again.
 
Craigmatthew said:
ah cool, that's what I was hoping you say, no acne = great! Also in your opinion, was it worth it bumping the dosage from 30mgs to 40mgs?
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yeah I really think 40mg was the ideal dose for me! Strength increased much more after the 40mg, I can train also much harder now.. :)

I really was surprised of the difference of 30mg and 40mg.
When I was on 30mg I also got increased power, and I 'felt' the Havoc. And almost had no sides (except for headache and backpumps)

But when on 40mg, power is increased much more, it's really a big difference.. :)
But on the other hand: I really had to get enough sleep, make sure to I got plenty of extra carbs, increase the taurine,... If 1 of those factors was not 100% ok, I felt horrible. Certainly the first days lethargy was an issue..

I think the best is to just try the 40mg for a few days. If after 3-4 days you're still feeling not ok, then go back to the30mg.. :)
It's certainly worth trying :)
 
evolution said:
yeah I really think 40mg was the ideal dose for me! Strength increased much more after the 40mg, I can train also much harder now.. :)

I really was surprised of the difference of 30mg and 40mg.
When I was on 30mg I also got increased power, and I 'felt' the Havoc. And almost had no sides (except for headache and backpumps)

But when on 40mg, power is increased much more, it's really a big difference.. :)
But on the other hand: I really had to get enough sleep, make sure to I got plenty of extra carbs, increase the taurine,... If 1 of those factors was not 100% ok, I felt horrible. Certainly the first days lethargy was an issue..

I think the best is to just try the 40mg for a few days. If after 3-4 days you're still feeling not ok, then go back to the30mg.. :)
It's certainly worth trying :)
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Ah thank you my man for the detailed help, check out my log sometime, it'll start in two more days :)
 
Hello guys I'm all new to all this pro-hormone stuff just before i tried the N.O. Xplode...I'm 19 7 months...college student....162. i bought epidrol...I started today with 20mg. I planned to take it this way..

1 week 20 mg
2 week 30 mg
3 week 40 mg
4 week 40 mg

what you guys think any advices?? Also can i take epidrol with N.O. Xplode? I love xplode good energy booster.

Need help with this guys thanx!
GOAL: get big at 185 im now 160....
 
Hello guys I'm all new to all this pro-hormone stuff just before i tried the N.O. Xplode...I'm 19 7 months...college student....162. i bought epidrol...I started today with 20mg. I planned to take it this way..

1 week 20 mg
2 week 30 mg
3 week 40 mg
4 week 40 mg

what you guys think any advices?? Also can i take epidrol with N.O. Xplode? I love xplode good energy booster.

Need help with this guys thanx!
 
albertotamiu said:
Hello guys I'm all new to all this pro-hormone stuff just before i tried the N.O. Xplode...I'm 19 7 months...college student....162. i bought epidrol...I started today with 20mg. I planned to take it this way..

1 week 20 mg
2 week 30 mg
3 week 40 mg
4 week 40 mg

what you guys think any advices?? Also can i take epidrol with N.O. Xplode? I love xplode good energy booster.

Need help with this guys thanx!
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Dont bother taking No explode with Epi, your pump should be good enough.
 
I can only speak for Havoc, but you really don't need any additional supps for a pump.. :)
Havoc itself is more then enough, training goes great with the Havoc alone..
 
albertotamiu said:
Hello guys I'm all new to all this pro-hormone stuff just before i tried the N.O. Xplode...I'm 19 7 months...college student....162. i bought epidrol...I started today with 20mg. I planned to take it this way..

1 week 20 mg
2 week 30 mg
3 week 40 mg
4 week 40 mg

what you guys think any advices?? Also can i take epidrol with N.O. Xplode? I love xplode good energy booster.

Need help with this guys thanx!
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I think you should do more research before diving into pro horomones.
 
albertotamiu said:
Hello guys I'm all new to all this pro-hormone stuff just before i tried the N.O. Xplode...I'm 19 7 months...college student....162. i bought epidrol...I started today with 20mg. I planned to take it this way..

1 week 20 mg
2 week 30 mg
3 week 40 mg
4 week 40 mg

what you guys think any advices?? Also can i take epidrol with N.O. Xplode? I love xplode good energy booster.

Need help with this guys thanx!
Myfast said:
I think you should do more research before diving into pro horomones.
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I also actually think you should, then you know what to expect from taking Epi or Havoc... There is a lot of info (and logs) available on the net, and you have to find out what responds well to you..

I planned my Havoc pulse cycle for more then 3 months or so, before it was final.. :) including a lot of reading, posting questions, check what supps I needed,...
 
evolution said:
I also actually think you should, then you know what to expect from taking Epi or Havoc... There is a lot of info (and logs) available on the net, and you have to find out what responds well to you..

I planned my Havoc pulse cycle for more then 3 months or so, before it was final.. :) including a lot of reading, posting questions, check what supps I needed,...
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Yeah agreed, research is the key, the last month of my research I learned more than the 2-3 months before that, it just never ends.
 
the end

my cycle is finished, took my last dose on sunday.
at the end I gained 4,5kilo (4.5 kg = 9.9 lbs)

I loved the Havoc pulse cycle, gained a lot of mass and power.

only sides I got during cycle: headache, backpump and some small acne on the shoulders (nothing big)

Think my supps were chosen ok, had no shutdown, libido was even increased.. :)

I'm gonna start now with PCT:
-PCT from Anabolic innovations + Lean Gainer for 1 month
-creatine: Storm from Universal (read several logs of people who took creatine during PCT, just to prevent a training-dip after the cycle :) )
 
Nice log man, please continue to update through PCT, as I know I will certainly find th PCT part of this just as useful, thanks again for the info!
 
PCT went ok, busy on last and 4th week. Finishing the 'Post Cycle support' from AI.
Had no shutdown, training keeps on going very well, no dip, strength is also still there (thanks to the 'Storm' also I think) :)

I lowered carbs during PCT, wanted to get dryer again. (gained some fat during cycle, certainly on the ending of cycle)
Meanwhile I lost 1kilo (2,2lbs) during PCT, and holding to this now..

feeling great, libido ok, no sides,.. :)
 
Not sure if you mentioned this before and it could be in the beginning of thread, but have you ever done a 4wk run to compare your pulse to?
 
Bravoboy said:
Not sure if you mentioned this before and it could be in the beginning of thread, but have you ever done a 4wk run to compare your pulse to?
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nope, I never did a cycle before, first time I did this...

So I can't really compare the pulsing with normal cycle, I only know the pulsing turned out great for me.. :)

I felt great and had good results from it (and no sides :) )
 
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