peptides for major growth.

can anyone tell me the difference between ghrp-6 and (D-Lys3)GHRP-6 im looking to use ghrp-6 400mcg a day for a couple weeks 5 on 2 off to put on some weight (basically utilizing the ghrp-6 to eat like a animal) i was just curious what the difference was, also i have around 900mcg of ifg-1lr3 i could stack it with but i hear the ghrp-6 would best be used for sorta like a pct for the igf-1,
 
o ok so it will basically do the opposite of ghrp-6 in terms of appetite, i guess that would be more suitable for someone doing a cut, anyways i heard about stacking zma with ghrp-6 being a good idea also if i was looking to gain say 30 keepable lbs in 4 months would that be possible stacking the ghrp-6 with zma and maybe by month 2 hit up a AAS blitz cycle, i feel ghrp-6 has a lot of potential how do you feel about that grunt??
 
king1033 said:
o ok so it will basically do the opposite of ghrp-6 in terms of appetite, i guess that would be more suitable for someone doing a cut, anyways i heard about stacking zma with ghrp-6 being a good idea also if i was looking to gain say 30 keepable lbs in 4 months would that be possible stacking the ghrp-6 with zma and maybe by month 2 hit up a AAS blitz cycle, i feel ghrp-6 has a lot of potential how do you feel about that grunt??
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LBM...maybe...your diet would need to be spot on and you would benefit from priming before your AAS blitz, possibly doing 1-3, 3 week blitz cycles (AAS). THe ghrp-6 will help you push down more food.


Grunt, what is your website?
 
pudzian2 said:
LBM...maybe...your diet would need to be spot on and you would benefit from priming before your AAS blitz, possibly doing 1-3, 3 week blitz cycles (AAS). THe ghrp-6 will help you push down more food.


Grunt, what is your website?
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Pudz, just click on my name and click "visit Grunt76's homepage"... it's Invalid Link Removed It'll probably be offline for a bit now since I got my credit card stolen and the stupid people at the CC company sent me someone else's card instead of mine as replacement, so I'm unable to pay for hosting. Bleh. Anyway if it's offline, retry a few days later...

Putting on 30lbs of LBM in a YEAR is a feat for anyone using anything. GHRP-6 isn't going to do it. 5g of AAS a week, 10,000 calories a day, 15iu GH and 15iu insulin, with IGF-1 pMGF clen and T3 all together might let you attain that. If you survive.
 
Grunt76 said:
Pudz, just click on my name and click "visit Grunt76's homepage"... it's Invalid Link Removed It'll probably be offline for a bit now since I got my credit card stolen and the stupid people at the CC company sent me someone else's card instead of mine as replacement, so I'm unable to pay for hosting. Bleh. Anyway if it's offline, retry a few days later...

Putting on 30lbs of LBM in a YEAR is a feat for anyone using anything. GHRP-6 isn't going to do it. 5g of AAS a week, 10,000 calories a day, 15iu GH and 15iu insulin, with IGF-1 pMGF clen and T3 all together might let you attain that. If you survive.
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I agree, but I also think there are other ways to approach the physiological manipulations required to put on LBM fast. I think applying strict, carefully planned dietary strategies, (priming, and then putting oneself in an extreme hyper caloric state etc etc) would allow significantly higher % of LBM gain compared to just using more and more performance enhancers to overcome the homeostatic mechanisms that the body puts in place to try and manage/limit/prevent such weight gain whether from lots of gear, lots of calories or both combined. I believe it is far from all hormonal.

I mean for kings purposes, it also is dependent on his body-type and whether or not the correct dietary protocols are followed accordingly. More importantly, the rate of weight gain (LBM) is dependent on where he is with respect to his bodies "comfort zone" or 'limit' (although I dont exactly like to use that word) is. If he is say significantly under the amount of muscle his body is willing to carry, then he will gain weight faster.

Now, I am not intending to disagree or argue, because I KNOW that Grunt agrees or would agree with most/all of what I stated. I rather consider the prior statements useful for putting things in perspective for King and his goals. I think you (king) should set a little bit lower of a goal as far as LBM gain, so that it is generally accepted as more realistic. If you can push beyond that goal then it is only in your benefit to do so, but if you cannot, then you dont want to feel disappointed or under-achieved.

considering your view on little use of AAS, I think a goal of 15 ish lbs LBM (which is a very significant chunk of muscle) is more realistic at least to START.
 
pudzian2 said:
I agree, but I also think there are other ways to approach the physiological manipulations required to put on LBM fast. I think applying strict, carefully planned dietary strategies, (priming, and then putting oneself in an extreme hyper caloric state etc etc) would allow significantly higher % of LBM gain compared to just using more and more performance enhancers to overcome the homeostatic mechanisms that the body puts in place to try and manage/limit/prevent such weight gain whether from lots of gear, lots of calories or both combined. I believe it is far from all hormonal.

I mean for kings purposes, it also is dependent on his body-type and whether or not the correct dietary protocols are followed accordingly. More importantly, the rate of weight gain (LBM) is dependent on where he is with respect to his bodies "comfort zone" or 'limit' (although I dont exactly like to use that word) is. If he is say significantly under the amount of muscle his body is willing to carry, then he will gain weight faster.

Now, I am not intending to disagree or argue, because I KNOW that Grunt agrees or would agree with most/all of what I stated. I rather consider the prior statements useful for putting things in perspective for King and his goals. I think you (king) should set a little bit lower of a goal as far as LBM gain, so that it is generally accepted as more realistic. If you can push beyond that goal then it is only in your benefit to do so, but if you cannot, then you dont want to feel disappointed or under-achieved.

considering your view on little use of AAS, I think a goal of 15 ish lbs LBM (which is a very significant chunk of muscle) is more realistic at least to START.
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Yeah I agree with you bro, it was for perspective.

And King talked about 30lbs of LBM in 4 months. Keepable. :blink:
 
pudzian2 said:
I agree, but I also think there are other ways to approach the physiological manipulations required to put on LBM fast. I think applying strict, carefully planned dietary strategies, (priming, and then putting oneself in an extreme hyper caloric state etc etc) would allow significantly higher % of LBM gain compared to just using more and more performance enhancers to overcome the homeostatic mechanisms that the body puts in place to try and manage/limit/prevent such weight gain whether from lots of gear, lots of calories or both combined. I believe it is far from all hormonal.

I mean for kings purposes, it also is dependent on his body-type and whether or not the correct dietary protocols are followed accordingly. More importantly, the rate of weight gain (LBM) is dependent on where he is with respect to his bodies "comfort zone" or 'limit' (although I dont exactly like to use that word) is. If he is say significantly under the amount of muscle his body is willing to carry, then he will gain weight faster.

Now, I am not intending to disagree or argue, because I KNOW that Grunt agrees or would agree with most/all of what I stated. I rather consider the prior statements useful for putting things in perspective for King and his goals. I think you (king) should set a little bit lower of a goal as far as LBM gain, so that it is generally accepted as more realistic. If you can push beyond that goal then it is only in your benefit to do so, but if you cannot, then you dont want to feel disappointed or under-achieved.

considering your view on little use of AAS, I think a goal of 15 ish lbs LBM (which is a very significant chunk of muscle) is more realistic at least to START.
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Oh of course i completly agree i dont know why i just threw 30 out there:twisted: i was tired, Ive read up a lot on priming and i like how it works and i agree with you i think 15lbs wouldnt be too unreasonable at all, again this is just an idea I have a lot more research i would have to do before i would feel comfortable to jump into something like this. and if i did it would be a basic blitz cycle
test prop 1-4
tren1-4
ghrp-6 through out cycle and pct then 2 weeks off
then 1-6 h-drol 100mg

ghrp-6 1-8

and knowing how my body responds to gear im pretty comfident i would have 15 keepable lbs after these 2 blitz cycles without a doubt, after doing a ton of reading on ghrp-6 i think its one of the best things to stack with any cycle cause when you eat up a cycle people tell you to eat eat eat, and ghrp-6 makes you eat eat eat so sounds good to me plus im thinking of taking it 300mcg a day split into 2 doses 150mch pwo and 150pre bed
 
king1033 said:
Oh of course i completly agree i dont know why i just threw 30 out there:twisted: i was tired, Ive read up a lot on priming and i like how it works and i agree with you i think 15lbs wouldnt be too unreasonable at all, again this is just an idea I have a lot more research i would have to do before i would feel comfortable to jump into something like this. and if i did it would be a basic blitz cycle
test prop 1-4
tren1-4
ghrp-6 through out cycle and pct then 2 weeks off
then 1-6 h-drol 100mg

ghrp-6 1-8

and knowing how my body responds to gear im pretty comfident i would have 15 keepable lbs after these 2 blitz cycles without a doubt, after doing a ton of reading on ghrp-6 i think its one of the best things to stack with any cycle cause when you eat up a cycle people tell you to eat eat eat, and ghrp-6 makes you eat eat eat so sounds good to me plus im thinking of taking it 300mcg a day split into 2 doses 150mch pwo and 150pre bed
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Double these doses if you want to EAT eat eat EAT. 150mcg never gave me any appetite increase. It starts at 400mcg for me.
 
Grunt76 said:
Double these doses if you want to EAT eat eat EAT. 150mcg never gave me any appetite increase. It starts at 400mcg for me.
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wait, what are your AAS doses king? ( the ones you planned on using for the blitz)

on the 100% vs 75% keepable thing. It depends on where you are with respect to your comfort zone. for instance its easy enough to keep 90+% of AAS induced gains IF the final result lies at or under ones natural limit. if you gained 20lbs, 7 of which are above the limit then maybe thats why some gains are lost. Also, depending on the compounds of course, its hard to differentiate between glycogen and LBM, and when some think they are loosing LBM Post cycle, they are actually first loosing glycogen. IMO
 
king1033 said:
in the meantime do you recommend any books that would give the novice user a great idea on how exactly the peptides work and a book that revolves more around bodybuilding??
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Novice? Bodybuilding? There isn't such a thing...at least one based on science. The best book you'll find is probably:

Growth Hormone Secretagogues in Clinical Practice, by Barry B. Bercu, CRC; 1st edition (May 15, 1998)​
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...and that book is now almost 10 years old!
 
datBtrue said:
Novice? Bodybuilding? There isn't such a thing...at least one based on science. The best book you'll find is probably:

Growth Hormone Secretagogues in Clinical Practice, by Barry B. Bercu, CRC; 1st edition (May 15, 1998)​
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...and that book is now almost 10 years old!
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wow thats insane 10 years back!
 
ok well ive been now reading bad things about ghrp-6 such as increased cortisol and prolactin so is it not worth it to use the peptide??
 
Grunt76 said:
Yeah it comes with the territory. Although GH is said to lower cortisol...
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i would imagine it depends not only on the individual but how long they have been using GH, at what doses, and more importantly where there body is with respect to its reaction to exogenous GH influence. For instance the initial reaction of high dose exogenous GH may be to raise cortisol to 'compensate' and then over time as the body 'accepts' the exogenous hormones, it changes...=postulation
 
ok but is this temporary or can the use of ghrp-6 permanently screw with cortisol and prolaction, cause i figure i could just throw some 6-oxo into the stack for cortisol control
 
king1033 said:
ok but is this temporary or can the use of ghrp-6 permanently screw with cortisol and prolaction, cause i figure i could just throw some 6-oxo into the stack for cortisol control
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6-oxo is not a good thing to use long term, and neither is ghrp probably... and by long term I mean near-permanently. IF using it for appetite stimulation then its best cycled (used when needed), if used for GH stim, there are better/cheaper methods for long term (year round) use. I like pGH for that purpose.
 
pudzian2 said:
6-oxo is not a good thing to use long term, and neither is ghrp probably... and by long term I mean near-permanently. IF using it for appetite stimulation then its best cycled (used when needed), if used for GH stim, there are better/cheaper methods for long term (year round) use. I like pGH for that purpose.
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its mainly for appetite increase i reckon ill take it on work out days split into 2 doses 150mcg each or 200 depending where hunger strikes, 2 more things how long will it last in my closet and im gonna stack it with h-drol in a few weeks but when im running h-drol and test with it, would their be a better peptide to add to the stack for pure mass?? i was thinking maybe peg mgf whatever to get the most keepable mass
 
king1033 said:
its mainly for appetite increase i reckon ill take it on work out days split into 2 doses 150mcg each or 200 depending where hunger strikes, 2 more things how long will it last in my closet and im gonna stack it with h-drol in a few weeks but when im running h-drol and test with it, would their be a better peptide to add to the stack for pure mass?? i was thinking maybe peg mgf whatever to get the most mass
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mass? insulin....but dont take that suggestion lightly...in fact its not even a suggestion until you research the **** out of its application to bodybuilding and risks. other than that IGF-1 and MGF would be a good (but expensive) addition to your cycle. I dont know about ghrp storage...grunt may though
 
pudzian2 said:
mass? insulin....but dont take that suggestion lightly...in fact its not even a suggestion until you research the **** out of its application to bodybuilding and risks. other than that IGF-1 and MGF would be a good (but expensive) addition to your cycle. I dont know about ghrp storage...grunt may though
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lol yea insulin is way outta the question for sure!!
 
do u thinking using the ghrp-6 in my test stack would be worth the potential sides?? from the ghrp, i only plan to use the ghrp-6 for about 6-8 weeks roughly
 
king1033 said:
do u thinking using the ghrp-6 in my test stack would be worth the potential sides?? from the ghrp, i only plan to use the ghrp-6 for about 6-8 weeks roughly
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I mean for hunger, I have heard that a supplement called black hole works well. you could also throw in some EQ or bold base or even 1,4 AD for just the hunger. Trust me EQ makes you EAT. Its your call. the ghrp could come with potential GH elevating benefits but in 6-8 weeks i doubt you'll see much more than a little fat loss
 
pudzian2 said:
I mean for hunger, I have heard that a supplement called black hole works well. you could also throw in some EQ or bold base or even 1,4 AD for just the hunger. Trust me EQ makes you EAT. Its your call. the ghrp could come with potential GH elevating benefits but in 6-8 weeks i doubt you'll see much more than a little fat loss
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definatly added size with test right?? i read over at t magnum a guy running ghrp-6 along with test gaining 10lbs in 2 weeks then he regretted his ghrp-6 ran out, well i guess what im really asking myself is if running it for 6-8 weeks at 200mcg would be potentially harmful?? also i wouldnt be running the cycle long enough for eq, lol funny u mention it i have black hole in my closet nothing special IMO so i guess what the cycles gonna look like is

test prop 100mg ed 2-6 (does anyone know the conversion that would be for test E per week??)

tren i think im gonna pass this go around (not man enough yet)

h-drol 100mg ed 1-6 weeks

ghrp-6 200mcg 150mcg(<--before bed shot) 2x ed 1-6

keepin simple and i still got some lr3 its about a year old dont know if i should try using it
 
king1033 said:
definatly added size with test right?? i read over at t magnum a guy running ghrp-6 along with test gaining 10lbs in 2 weeks then he regretted his ghrp-6 ran out, well i guess what im really asking myself is if running it for 6-8 weeks at 200mcg would be potentially harmful?? also i wouldnt be running the cycle long enough for eq, lol funny u mention it i have black hole in my closet nothing special IMO so i guess what the cycles gonna look like is

test prop 100mg ed 2-6 (does anyone know the conversion that would be for test E per week??)

tren i think im gonna pass this go around (not man enough yet)

h-drol 100mg ed 1-6 weeks

ghrp-6 200mcg 150mcg(<--before bed shot) 2x ed 1-6

keepin simple and i still got some lr3 its about a year old dont know if i should try using it
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just know that test prop is 79% testosterone (roughly) and the rest is ester. 100mg is ~79mg pure testosterone.... you can then figure out the true estimate of circulating test that you are administering with test P.

I think you should give the ghrp a fair trial. get enough to test out, and if it is working well, then hey, keep it up. if you cut it out and are regretting it, then start back up! i supppose thats really the only way your going to get your questions answered, becuase they depend on how you react and how you like the compound.
 
pudzian2 said:
just know that test prop is 79% testosterone (roughly) and the rest is ester. 100mg is ~79mg pure testosterone.... you can then figure out the true estimate of circulating test that you are administering with test P.

I think you should give the ghrp a fair trial. get enough to test out, and if it is working well, then hey, keep it up. if you cut it out and are regretting it, then start back up! i supppose thats really the only way your going to get your questions answered, becuase they depend on how you react and how you like the compound.
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are there any posts showing the concentrations? for example how much test is in test e or c?
 
smackshosh said:
are there any posts showing the concentrations? for example how much test is in test e or c?
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
250mg per ml is pretty standard. That means there are 2.5 grams of test in 10ml's of oil.

If you are talking the purity of the powder, hopefully its 100%.
 
RedwolfWV said:
I'm not sure I understand your question.
250mg per ml is pretty standard. That means there are 2.5 grams of test in 10ml's of oil.

If you are talking the purity of the powder, hopefully its 100%.
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250mg/ml 250mg= Weight of Test + Weight of Ester test is bound with.

Similarly when you buy Potassium Supp. If you buy Potassium Gluconate, the amount of Potassium Gluconate per tab is 500MG, BUT ONLY 99mg is Potassium...
 
Really, all the ester weight thing is going to do is complicate things. All the logs you will read where someone says they are using 500mg/week of test e or test c is total weight with the ester. Nobody runs (for example) 627.2mg/week to take ester weight into account so that they are truly getting 500mg/week pure test.

Keep it simple.
 
RedwolfWV said:
Really, all the ester weight thing is going to do is complicate things. All the logs you will read where someone says they are using 500mg/week of test e or test c is total weight with the ester. Nobody runs (for example) 627.2mg/week to take ester weight into account so that they are truly getting 500mg/week pure test.

Keep it simple.
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yea i mean the general rule of thumb is if you are using 500mg/week test E vs 500mg/week Test P (all other variables constant) then with the prop you are getting a bit more actual test....
 
ok well prop i think im gonna go 125 EOD ir should i dose it ED i just dont want the acne i recieved last time OH BOY was it no joke!!, it was definatly because i shot my test e all in one day and had everything unbalanced, so im assuming with prop i can keep my blood levels balanced get in and get out. also pudz u were using a good anti - e on cycle could u refresh my memory as to what it was. I wanna take a good anti-e on cycle i think it was proviron but yes that one caught my eye Im not sure how to dose it but i do know it comes in 50mg tablets

so this is how id like my nice little cycle to look like
1-6 test prop 125mg EOD (500mg a week)
1-6 h-drol 100mg ED (6 weeks)
1-2 d-bol 50mg ED to kickstart h-drol since it kicks in at week 3
4-6 hcg 250iu E4D to kickstart pct
proviron 100mg ED 1-6 (i think i got it right)
ghrp-6 200-400mcg daily (depending where my sweet spot is)

cycle support pre load 2 weeks run for duration of cycle into pct
also im thinking about running a AP/p-slin stack all the way through as well just a thought!

pct
torem 5-9
tamox 5-9
drive or mass fx
lean extreme for cortisol control
post cycle support

i think this looks pretty good anything suggestions that will better this cycle for health reasons LET ME KNOW
 
king1033 said:
ok well prop i think im gonna go 125 EOD ir should i dose it ED i just dont want the acne i recieved last time OH BOY was it no joke!!, it was definatly because i shot my test e all in one day and had everything unbalanced, so im assuming with prop i can keep my blood levels balanced get in and get out. also pudz u were using a good anti - e on cycle could u refresh my memory as to what it was. I wanna take a good anti-e on cycle i think it was proviron but yes that one caught my eye Im not sure how to dose it but i do know it comes in 50mg tablets

so this is how id like my nice little cycle to look like
1-6 test prop 125mg EOD (500mg a week)
1-6 h-drol 100mg ED (6 weeks)
1-2 d-bol 50mg ED to kickstart h-drol since it kicks in at week 3
4-6 hcg 250iu E4D to kickstart pct
proviron 100mg ED 1-6 (i think i got it right)
ghrp-6 200-400mcg daily (depending where my sweet spot is)

cycle support pre load 2 weeks run for duration of cycle into pct
also im thinking about running a AP/p-slin stack all the way through as well just a thought!

pct
torem 5-9
tamox 5-9
drive or mass fx
lean extreme for cortisol control
post cycle support

i think this looks pretty good anything suggestions that will better this cycle for health reasons LET ME KNOW
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looks good. I personally don't like orals, but its 6 weeks and that combo shouldn't be toooo bad. Also I think you should shoot test ED... just my opinion. IT will make it smoother, and if you don't mind the extra pinning, then might as well. DO NOT USE HCG IN PCT. HCG replaces LH, it DOES NOT help the body produce more LH. It is good for maintaining a somewhat balanced endocrine system DURING a cycle as test and lh begin to get suppressed. I disagree with HCG being necessary even before PCT if used for the duration of the cycle at small-moderate doses (250-750iu/week).

what are your torem/tamox doses?
 
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

tamox ive never used the liquid before only orals but if its mg for mg
40/20/20/20


does this cycle look pretty good?
is the proviron a good idea?


also i forgot to mention dhea will be run 150mg on and 50mg during pct
 
king1033 said:
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

tamox ive never used the liquid before only orals but if its mg for mg
40/20/20/20


does this cycle look pretty good?
is the proviron a good idea?


also i forgot to mention dhea will be run 150mg on and 50mg during pct
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PCT looks good. CHECK YOUR EMAIL SITUATION. I CANNOT GET MY EMAILS THROUGH TO YOU. THEY ARE BEING RETURNED AS FAILURE TO SEND THINGS........maybe has something to do with hotmail? I have a second draft to get to you so let me know how asap
 
man, i would say do a 10 week test cycle at 500-750, start it with 4 weeks superdrol at 20mg and then do 6 weeks of tren at a super low dose, use IGF and Tor for PCT and viagra when/if you need it, will be cheaper and more effective, and you will tear your girl up so much while on cycle she will be beging for a break, and then the cialis/viagra for PCT will more than make up for anything not working properly....

i did pct with tor last year for a 8 week cycle and i was 100% back in action in less than 4 weeks,
 
king1033 said:
1-2 d-bol 50mg ED to kickstart h-drol since it kicks in at week 3
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DBol needs to be run longer to benefit from it properly...it needs to build up also...otherwise don't run it...just be a waste.

king1033 said:
proviron 100mg ED 1-6 (i think i got it right)
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Why? As an anti-e? If you add the DBol and run it properly (i.e. longer) use a better AI.

king1033 said:
also im thinking about running a AP/p-slin stack all the way through as well just a thought!
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ALA or R-ALA or ChromPoly, etc. are helpful as the cycle progresses because the massive amount of carbs you are eating may began to make you more insulin resistant. Thats often why insulin is helpful to add as a longer cycle progresses.

As for AP as a glucose disposal agent...I'm not really impressed (my opinion only).

pct
 
neverstop said:
man, i would say do a 10 week test cycle at 500-750, start it with 4 weeks superdrol at 20mg and then do 6 weeks of tren at a super low dose, use IGF and Tor for PCT and viagra when/if you need it, will be cheaper and more effective, and you will tear your girl up so much while on cycle she will be beging for a break, and then the cialis/viagra for PCT will more than make up for anything not working properly....

i did pct with tor last year for a 8 week cycle and i was 100% back in action in less than 4 weeks,
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i personally am going with 6 weeks to deal with less sides, also im dumping the d-bol to keep things simple im going to keep the h-drol, also proviron i just wanna throw in the cycle to get better use out of the test and to support fat loss

also should i continue ghrp-6 use into pct??
 
datBtrue said:
ALA or R-ALA or ChromPoly, etc. are helpful as the cycle progresses because the massive amount of carbs you are eating may began to make you more insulin resistant. Thats often why insulin is helpful to add as a longer cycle progresses.
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how much and long do you think i should does alpha lipoic acid for
 
Sorry if this is a little off topic, my first post. Ive been just reading for months here like a sponge so I dont just fire off dumb questions. Im poppin my cherry here with this so...

From what I understand:
For my first time with igf-1 lr3 can I use this alone for 4 on 2 off and then 4on 2 off again and expect to see keepable gains provided I follow diet, exercise, sleep etc properly?

Does this have to be used IM or is Sub q just as good?
5'8 165 pretty lean, thanks
 
gxr425 said:
Sorry if this is a little off topic, my first post. Ive been just reading for months here like a sponge so I dont just fire off dumb questions. Im poppin my cherry here with this so...

From what I understand:
For my first time with igf-1 lr3 can I use this alone for 4 on 2 off and then 4on 2 off again and expect to see keepable gains provided I follow diet, exercise, sleep etc properly?

Does this have to be used IM or is Sub q just as good?
5'8 165 pretty lean, thanks
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There's a sticky atop this section called "My take on IGF-1".

Read it. :)
 
What's the best way to run cjc and ghrp 6 with a 10- 12 week test E cycle? I currently only have 16mg ghrp6 and 8mg cjc that I want to add in. Should I get more, use it at the begining or end of the cycle? Thanks.
 
DieselBoy18 said:
What's the best way to run cjc and ghrp 6 with a 10- 12 week test E cycle? I currently only have 16mg ghrp6 and 8mg cjc that I want to add in. Should I get more, use it at the begining or end of the cycle? Thanks.
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get more and go with the 100mcg cjc + 250mcg ghrp6 3x day and start it right away and run it the whole cycle. grow like a weed.
 
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