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Havoc Straight/Pulse Cycle Question Thread

Trauma1

Trauma1

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Since i frequently see these questions being asked on a daily basis, i figured i'd start a thread to address them. This way everyone can use the consolidated information within to help set-up their havoc cycle. Fire away guys! :) :bb3:
 
Yeah, I have a question, when can I get some more Havoc at NP to pulse? Have you coordinated with NEO to make sure you won't hurt his fealings, he gets sensitive when he's cream crackered (Brit saying).
 
RBKing said:
Yeah, I have a question, when can I get some more Havoc at NP to pulse? Have you coordinated with NEO to make sure you won't hurt his fealings, he gets sensitive when he's cream crackered (Brit saying).
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Havoc should be back in stock at nutra by early/mid next week. How exactly would this hurt his feelings?
 
Id like to hear your opinion on straight vs pulse for Havoc. From what I have read, taking it straight through seems to be the better way to go.
 
His Epi FAQ will probably have some of the same questions
although when someone asked about Havoc he got pissy whith them cuz it was an EPI thread but its the same damn compound regardless of BB.com drama threads.
 
RBKing said:
His Epi FAQ will probably have some of the same questions
although when someone asked about Havoc he got pissy whith them cuz it was an EPI thread but its the same damn compound regardless of BB.com drama threads.
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Havoc was the first epithio product out. That's a fact :) Well this is a havoc thread, so if he doesn't like it, oh well.
 
SgtP said:
Id like to hear your opinion on straight vs pulse for Havoc. From what I have read, taking it straight through seems to be the better way to go.
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Depends what your goals and side effects tolerance are. Either way, you can't lose taking Havoc.
 
SgtP said:
Id like to hear your opinion on straight vs pulse for Havoc. From what I have read, taking it straight through seems to be the better way to go.
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It all depends on what your goals are. You will get better gains from a straight cycle, but with the addition of more sides and shutdown.
 
so is Havoc still going to be produced and available at all the good online retail sites? I'm confused. I thought this and Epi was going to be discontinued.?
IMO, a good, honest supplement company would NOT claim their product will be discontinued just to get a spike in sales for a period of time. I can't remember where I read that or even who said it was going to be discontinued but I'd like to know what's up. I'm probably thinking back to a bb.com thread or some ****. Someone please clear the air for me.
Thanks in advance.
 
icanrace said:
so is Havoc still going to be produced and available at all the good online retail sites? I'm confused. I thought this and Epi was going to be discontinued.?
IMO, a good, honest supplement company would NOT claim their product will be discontinued just to get a spike in sales for a period of time. I can't remember where I read that or even who said it was going to be discontinued but I'd like to know what's up. I'm probably thinking back to a bb.com thread or some ****. Someone please clear the air for me.
Thanks in advance.
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This is probably what you mean:

dsade said:
Let me clarify this once and for all, since it appears to be a question that is common.

We reserved and made payment on a mid-sized quantity of material. This material is extremely labor intensive to make, and takes a lot of time per batch. OUr instructions to them were to ship out material as soon as assay returns verifying quality, even if it were 1-2 kilos at a time. This is the reason it is constantly going in and out of stock.

Once this material runs out, Havoc will not be manufactured by us anymore.
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i been reading alot of logs regarding Havoc use. i have 1 m1t , 2 SD cycles on my belt. m1t killed my libido for along time, SD gave me horrible BP both times i used it and made me shread hair like a mofo and on my first cycle it killed my libido for like 6 months.

since im 5'8" and around 192-196 lbs

i been thinking i could either do 2 things

20/30/30/40 or 30/30/30/40

i been on NAC at 1.6 gr ED for more than 2 months and Milk thistle at around 1 gr or abit more. been on Gut health for almost the same time. i almost run out but i got more comming in with my planned PCT for this with consist

1 cycle support
2 activate extreme
1 restore(i have this from a few months back)
more gut health
i got some RR, HDX2, on hand if needed.
and im expecting this week to get torem

what do you think T ?
 
Zombie said:
i been reading alot of logs regarding Havoc use. i have 1 m1t , 2 SD cycles on my belt. m1t killed my libido for along time, SD gave me horrible BP both times i used it and made me shread hair like a mofo and on my first cycle it killed my libido for like 6 months.

since im 5'8" and around 192-196 lbs

i been thinking i could either do 2 things

20/30/30/40 or 30/30/30/40

i been on NAC at 1.6 gr ED for more than 2 months and Milk thistle at around 1 gr or abit more. been on Gut health for almost the same time. i almost run out but i got more comming in with my planned PCT for this with consist

1 cycle support
2 activate extreme
1 restore(i have this from a few months back)
more gut health
i got some RR, HDX2, on hand if needed.
and im expecting this week to get torem

what do you think T ?
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I'd add some creatine into that PCT and it looks good to me zombo. I'd stick with the 20,30,30-40,40 dosing with the havoc. I think you'll be impressed man. Hit me up if you have anymore questions bud. I look forward to seeing your cycle unfold. :)
 
Trauma1 said:
I'd add some creatine into that PCT and it looks good to me zombo. I'd stick with the 20,30,30-40,40 dosing with the havoc. I think you'll be impressed man. Hit me up if you have anymore questions bud. I look forward to seeing your cycle unfold. :)
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im going to get some bulk creatine and some taurine just in case of the pumps, also get a trial size atomic meltdown to try and get some color before i go to vegas beggining of next month :) thanks for the fast reply
 
Zombie said:
im going to get some bulk creatine and some taurine just in case of the pumps, also get a trial size atomic meltdown to try and get some color before i go to vegas beggining of next month :) thanks for the fast reply
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You're welcome as always buddy. Good call with the taurine too, i forgot to mention that lol. Good luck with this zombo!
 
I know I've stated it before but I will post it here also. My proposed PCT for my straight Havoc cycle:

DTH
Nolva
Creatine Mono
R4W for pre workout during the cycle and PCT
AI's CS during and after the cycle
possibly Retain 2(not sure if its entirely necessary)
 
SgtP said:
I know I've stated it before but I will post it here also. My proposed PCT for my straight Havoc cycle:

DTH
Nolva
Creatine Mono
R4W for pre workout during the cycle and PCT
AI's CS during and after the cycle
possibly Retain 2(not sure if its entirely necessary)
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Definitely add in the retain 2 and some taurine. Other than that, it looks very solid!
 
I have bulk Taurine. Will SuperCissus RX work as cort control or is retain 2 really necessary?
 
SgtP said:
I have bulk Taurine. Will SuperCissus RX work as cort control or is retain 2 really necessary?
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I would have the retain in there. I will definitely help you maintain those gains easier.
 
i was going to order some retain b ut since retain its supossed to work on the cortisol also i didnt. should i add some retain that? ? ?
 
DTH also claims to reduce cortisol. I'm not questioning your judgment, rather trying to save money :P
 
Zombie said:
i was going to order some retain b ut since retain its supossed to work on the cortisol also i didnt. should i add some retain that? ? ?
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I think the retain should cover it man. That's why i didn't recommend it for you.
 
SgtP said:
DTH also claims to reduce cortisol. I'm not questioning your judgment, rather trying to save money :P
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I personally have not used DTH in pct yet to gauge effects for myself, but i plan on it very shortly. It may suppress cortisol pretty well overall, but you may require more control to get the overall desired effect. I understand you want to save money, but it's important to have all the necessary ancillaries in place to preserve gains and restore your HPT axis.
 
Im gonna go at it without a pure cort control product. Cissus blocks cortisol receptors and DTH helps control it also. I am hoping they will be enough for cortisol control. I might purchase some retain 2 just to have on hand if I think I need it but I want to see how I react without it. It will only save me money in the future.
 
SgtP said:
Im gonna go at it without a pure cort control product. Cissus blocks cortisol receptors and DTH helps control it also. I am hoping they will be enough for cortisol control. I might purchase some retain 2 just to have on hand if I think I need it but I want to see how I react without it. It will only save me money in the future.
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I say give it a go and see what happens. Good luck with this!
 
Zombie's Cycles

Hiya Zombie,

Since your so prone to sides with PH's have you considered trying a pulse cycle?

Also, we tend to focus on estrogen control at the end of cycles. In many cases prolactin elevation is the culprit especially in libido suppression. Consider using something for prolactin modulation at the end of your next cycle. Favorites include:

Powerfull
B6
p-5-p
Cabergoline/Dostinex .25mg to .50mg twice a week.

Safe Cycling Z!:squat:
 
jpk said:
Hiya Zombie,

Since your so prone to sides with PH's have you considered trying a pulse cycle?

Also, we tend to focus on estrogen control at the end of cycles. In many cases prolactin elevation is the culprit especially in libido suppression. Consider using something for prolactin modulation at the end of your next cycle. Favorites include:

Powerfull
B6
p-5-p
Cabergoline/Dostinex .25mg to .50mg twice a week.

Safe Cycling Z!:squat:
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thanks for the concern, and advice. well i had bad sides but if you take a look at the compounds they were one of the harshes methylated compounds out there, and i wasnt taking good care of my self. (i was drinking on the weekends and stuff like that). Now im on a more cleaner diet, more support supps and im using common sense lol
 
Here goes my PCT setup:

Torem - 90/60/60-30/30
DTH
Retain2
Super Cissus
Cycle Support

Figured I have every angel covered right? SERM, test booster, AI, and cort control. Any suggestions?
 
Sniper1088 said:
Here goes my PCT setup:

Torem - 90/60/60-30/30
DTH
Retain2
Super Cissus
Cycle Support

Figured I have every angel covered right? SERM, test booster, AI, and cort control. Any suggestions?
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Just a suggestion that Chuck mentioned to me, start the DTH at 3 tabs/day the last 5 days of your cycle then go to 5 or 6/day after that.
 
SgtP said:
Just a suggestion that Chuck mentioned to me, start the DTH at 3 tabs/day the last 5 days of your cycle then go to 5 or 6/day after that.
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i might also do this since i have like 100 tbas of DTH left from a few days back. it wasnt what i espected but it may help on pct whit activate Extreme.
 
Zombie said:
i might also do this since i have like 100 tbas of DTH left from a few days back. it wasnt what i espected but it may help on pct whit activate Extreme.
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Let me know how you like it in PCT zombo. I plan on using it soon myself.
 
Sniper1088 said:
Here goes my PCT setup:

Torem - 90/60/60-30/30
DTH
Retain2
Super Cissus
Cycle Support

Figured I have every angel covered right? SERM, test booster, AI, and cort control. Any suggestions?
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Not bad, but i'd have the torem at 120mg for the first 3 days, then reduce to 90mg/day for the rest of the first week. Running it 120x3days-90x4 days,60,60,30 should work well. I would definitely have some type of creatine in there too. It will remarkably help you maintain your gains through PCT.
 
Trauma1 said:
Not bad, but i'd have the torem at 120mg for the first 3 days, then reduce to 90mg/day for the rest of the first week. Running it 120x3days-90x4 days,60,60,30 should work well. I would definitely have some type of creatine in there too. It will remarkably help you maintain your gains through PCT.
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When dosing the torem do you split it up throughout the day or take it all at once? As far as the creatine I plan on taking some con-cret. Worked fairly well when I used it last. I just forgot to mention it :fool2:
 
Sniper1088 said:
When dosing the torem do you split it up throughout the day or take it all at once? As far as the creatine I plan on taking some con-cret. Worked fairly well when I used it last. I just forgot to mention it :fool2:
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I always take mine right before bed every night.
 
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