FLfinest81
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Jesus Christ, I wasn't planning on taking a SERM, just going with Hyperdrol, Mass FX, Post Cycle Support, and Retain 2, but no way in hell my kids are going to have tails. Thanks man.
SuperMass - Halo/SD
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Jesus Christ, I wasn't planning on taking a SERM, just going with Hyperdrol, Mass FX, Post Cycle Support, and Retain 2, but no way in hell my kids are going to have tails. Thanks man.
boxmeman
Well-known member
:toofunny:
Schism
Banned
Holly Fcuk!!!!!!!!!!!! lol...LMFAO
Where's my lighter, I gotta get in the right state of mind for this sh!t lol........:drunk:
FLfinest81
New member
I don't think kids running around with tails is a laughing matter. We need to educate more people about this, because I don't see this side effect of not using a SERM mentioned in any other posts.
boxmeman
Well-known member
YOUR RIGHT!!
I hereby proclaim that ALL future or current users of roids,ph's,or ps's take note that there is a possibility of a genetic mutation i.e. (growing a tail) without the use of a SERM!
nottus
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back on track
ha ha ok seriously anyone want to get back on track with this thread we were originally talking about supermass caps which is a combination of superdrol 10mg and halodrol 25mg. Everyone knows that without a doubt this works these are both very well documented substansces for extreme muscle and strength growth. Is it worth it though? Two methyls together like this even at moderate doses seems to in my experience damage cholesterol levels and liver lipid profiles. Can this be avoided or lessen the these effects by using a product such as cycle support throughout the cycle as well as for pct? any one have experiences with pulsing either of these methyls alone or any other combo's that got similar results with less sides?
ha ha ok seriously anyone want to get back on track with this thread we were originally talking about supermass caps which is a combination of superdrol 10mg and halodrol 25mg. Everyone knows that without a doubt this works these are both very well documented substansces for extreme muscle and strength growth. Is it worth it though? Two methyls together like this even at moderate doses seems to in my experience damage cholesterol levels and liver lipid profiles. Can this be avoided or lessen the these effects by using a product such as cycle support throughout the cycle as well as for pct? any one have experiences with pulsing either of these methyls alone or any other combo's that got similar results with less sides?
MrDiode
Member
1) No.
2) No (sorry to AI.. while I'd love to see a compound that could reduce the damage caused by TWO methylated PHs, I think that compound is only called "a new liver")
3) Use the Search. Search is friend. Like this: :drunk:
Schism
Banned
Are you fcuking kidding me?? Try using the search function! I myself have posted the possible side effects of not SHERMING I mean serming at least 30 times as have everyone that know's what the fcuk they're talking about on this Board!!
RBKing
Member
I must admit that I was also taking 1000 mg Deca EW and 50 mgs Primobolan sublingual ED, but didn't have rage until I added the Abombs to it. Roid R is vastly overblown, but I think everyone would agree that trying to attack an angry Rottweiler is not rational.
RBKing
Member
I pulsed Hdrol and epistane with some Propadrol thrown in and got great results, however I think that Hdrol is not the best candidate for pulsing. Something faster acting like
SD and Epi taken 10/40-50 would be sweet but only on a pulse would I attempt it. I would also add NAC ED and milk thistle on off days. Lipid profiles will come back with proper diet and supps.
FLfinest81
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LOL, yes I'm f-ing kidding you. Lighten up....not literally of course...
Schism
Banned
Ha ha, my bad bro. Some of the sh!t people say on here though you never know!:rofl:
nottus
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Rbking, have you ever just pulsed epi or havoc alone or superdrol alone? Also what have you read on 1,4ad its a precurser to boldenone which is equipoise basically.
How many weeks would you pulse that sd epi combo? And would you go 10 mg sd 3x per week and then 40mg epi the same 3 days per week? I was thinking of just doing a strictly havoc pulse :
30/40/40/40 every other day. Any thoughts?
RBKing
Member
Yes, many times, I'm on an Epi pulse right now and alredy up 10 pounds. The epi SD combo would really give some gains, but I would only do it 4 weeks. You could drop the SD after 4and keep on pulsing epi depending on how you feel. I would pulse epi/Havoc 30/40/40/40 etc MWF or 3 on rest off. More than 3 days EW and you're asking for shutdown which kind of defeats the purpose of a pulse. I sometimes take the "Garbage" approach of pulsing what I have laying around.
Never had any bad side effects from a pulse (besides bad lipids which returned to normal )and PCT is minimal.
Never had any bad side effects from a pulse (besides bad lipids which returned to normal )and PCT is minimal.
Ziquor
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I've always wanted a tail. If I ever hit the lottery for millions that's the 1st thing I'd do. Nothing huge just maybe like a bobcat tail or something. I'd be so cool, as I walked down the street I'd be the envy of all guys everywhere. And chicks would be speechless... 'look at the tail on that guy...' :think:
boxmeman
Well-known member
lol
FLfinest81
New member
how about a feather as a tail? that way you could shake your tail feather.
Schism
Banned
Sh!t I've already got mine!! It was a pretty painful operation and quiet expensive but WELL WORTH IT!!! Now when I'm banging someone's Mom I can stick my c*ck in her puss and my tail up her fat fcuking Sh!t hole!! Sweet Hu??
Schism
Banned
Yea, pretty much.........
boxmeman
Well-known member
Sounds like someone is jealous about not having a fully functional tail:toofunny:
MrDiode
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FLfinest81
New member
don't get your tail all tied in a knot dude.
Frequency
Active member
Whoa you grew a tail. Damn i want a tail
Schism
Banned
"I'm interested in trying Estroguno. I've been getting on and off for a while. I want to know if it can make me less masculine, like raise my voice, decrease my ass hair volume, make my penis smaller ext. I look to much like a man and not enough like a woman for my age"
Now What? Your move...................
Now What? Your move...................
nottus
New member
THATS FUNNY I THOUGHT I RESPONDED TO THE POST ABOVE AT THE START OF THIS THREAD MAYBE IM WRONG I DIDNT REALIZE YOU SATRTED THIS THREAD SCHISM? CAN I ASK YOU WHAT YOUR HANG UP WITH DOING A SERM IS?
Clomid & Nolva; A closer look
The use of Clomid and Nolvadex, as Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs), has gradually become well established in the steroid using community. The popular push of these drugs has almost made them mandatory. They have essentially become hormonal vitamins – vitamins that can do no wrong and provide seemingly endless benefits of testosterone support, bloat reduction, gynecomastia prevention and cholesterol health. It seems that we are all well educated about the benefits of Clomid and Nolvadex, so in this segment, I will present the risks and consequences from the short and long term use of Clomid and Nolvadex.
Upon examination of the research available for Clomid (clomiphene) and Nolvadex (tamoxifen) we find that the research is quite extensive, and contradicting.21 We see many early studies with tamoxifen done on breast cancer patients, which show an acceptable "safety profile", with an apparent lack of adverse effects.22 On the other hand, many of the early in vivo animal studies showed severely toxic effects, with the development of cancer in the liver, uterus, or testes upon tamoxifen administration.30-34,41 However, this evidence was largely disregarded by ex vivo (test tube) research on human cell-lines which appeared to show a lack of toxic effects.
For example, tamoxifen was generally accepted as being non-toxic to human liver upon the conclusion that tamoxifen did not cause noticeable DNA adducts (damage) during short-term ex vivo studies with human liver cells. This was in contrast to the in vivo animal studies showing dramatic carcinogenic effects on the liver.30-34,41 As scientists learned that the toxic effects from tamoxifen are from the metabolism and buildup of the a-hydroxytamoxifen, 4-hydroxytamoxifen and N-desmethyltamoxifen metabolites. It became apparent that ex vivo research was largely flawed due to low-rate metabolism.21 The carcinogenic effects of tamoxifen proved to be even more unusual and elusive, when it was hypothesized that tamoxifen had both genomic and non-genomic toxicity, which affecting different animals, in different organs.21 This created an obvious clinical challenge for measuring genotoxicity in a test tube. Eventually, it was established that tamoxifen was a bona-fide carcinogen in all species, at least in one way or another. Recent human studies have shown tamoxifen treated women to have 3x the risk of developing fatty liver disease, which appeared as soon as 3 months into therapy at only 20mg/day.24-26 In some cases, the disease lasted up to 3 years, despite cessation from tamoxifen therapy. Five and ten year follow-ups with patients on long term tamoxifen therapy showed cases of deadly hepatocellular carcinoma.27-29 In a 2000 case study involving tamoxifen induced liver disease, D.F Moffat et al made a profound statement –
"In addition, hepatocellular carcinoma in tamoxifen treated patients may be under-reported since there may be reluctance to biopsy liver tumours which are assumed to be secondary carcinoma of the breast."
In other words, it appears that the liver carcinoma from a large number of breast cancer patients on tamoxifen therapy has been misdiagnosed as a metastasis infection from the breast cancer itself. Upon closer examination it was found that the cancerous lesions in the livers of the long-term tamoxifen therapy case studies were identical to those seen in the early animal studies showing tamoxifen to be a potent hepatotoxin.28-34 Although the effects took much longer to manifest, it became obvious that tamoxifen was toxic to the human liver.
Another well known risk of tamoxifen therapy is the increased risk of developing endometrial cancer (uterine cancer). This is due to tamoxifen actually acting as an estrogen agonist in the uterus, presumable from the 4-hydroxytamoxifen metabolite. This estrogenic metabolite triggers abnormal growth of the uterus and the formation of cancer causing DNA adducts.33 As male bodybuilders we assume this presents no risk. On the contrary, the implications are quite scary when we realize the male equivalent to the uterus is the prostate -- differentiating from the same embryonic cell line and sharing the same oncogene, Bcl-2, and high concentration of the estrogen receptor. It is likely that tamoxifen has the same estrogenic action, and DNA damaging effects within the prostate. It is no wonder that tamoxifen failed as a treatment for prostate carcinoma.
Aside from restoring testosterone levels post cycle, tamoxifen is often used to combat gyno during cycle when "flare ups" occur. While tamoxifen may provide immediate inhibition of growth, and serve as valuable tool, it also has the ability to up-regulate the progesterone receptor.54-56 This is a true contradiction, which dramatically increases your chances of bringing upon gyno in future cycles when utilizing Nandrolone (Deca) or Trenbolone, both of which act upon the progesterone receptor. It is interesting to speculate: is tamoxifen use directly related to the increased gyno occurrences seen with modern day steroid users?
When we bring our attention to Clomid, we find less research is available on long term human toxicity, probably because of the relatively short term (3-4 week) clinical application for ovarian stimulation,59 although long term follow ups with patients who received Clomid for ovulation induction have shown an increased risk of developing uterine cancer.74 This is to be expected, since many of the same carcinogenic tendencies found with tamoxifen are the same effects seen with clomiphene.44,45,57,58 Upon analysis of anecdotal reports from Clomid and nolva users, we see the typical short term side effects of low libido, erectile dysfunction, and emotional instability – despite many men showing normalized testosterone and estrogen levels during the use of these SERM’s. Research on male breast cancer patients also shows frequent reports of low libido, thrombosis (arterial blockage), and hot flashes with tamoxifen use.47 Another common side effect associated with both SERMs, but more common with Clomid, is the loss of visual accuracy and development of visual "tracers", due to the ocular toxicity.
As the medical community became more aware of the side-effects associated with clomiphene and tamoxifen treatment, newer and safer SERMs, such as toremifene and raloxifene hit the developmental fast track. Toremifene appears to be less liver toxic, but it is an analog of tamoxifen, so it also carries many of the related genotoxic effects. Raloxifene appears to be even safer by being the least liver toxic, and not having any potential issue with the uterus or prostate. Unfortunately, raloxifene has been associated with a higher incidence of thromboembolism52 (arterial blockage), and also has very low oral absorption, making it an expensive alternative at a typical 120mg/day dose. Still, raloxifene could presumably be equally effective as Clomid or Nolvadex at restoring HPTA function, while imparting less side effects. Newer SERMs are already being evaluated such as bazedoxifene, arzoxifene, and lasofoxifene, in hopes of reducing risk even further.
Another SERM that may be useful for post cycle therapy is resveratrol.87,88 Resveratrol is a natural polyphenol extracted from grape skin, that has recently been under heavy research for its cancer fighting effects in the breast, prostate and liver. Contrary to Nolva or Clomid, resveratrol appears to actually have beneficial effects on the liver,70 as well as having multiple benefits on cardiovascular health by limiting LDL oxidation and improving endothelial function.71-73 Improved blood vessel function may be a mechanism by which resveratrol improves erectile function in many men. Research also suggests that resveratrol may actually extend life, by reducing oxidative stress on organs such as the heart,77 and preventing the metabolic syndrome by fighting insulin resistence. It’s becoming well known that insulin resistance is a leading cause of low testosterone.82 More specifically, improving insulin sensitivity will increase your leydig cell sensitivity, and therefore increase the testes response to LH.
It should be pointed out that resveratrol may not be the best choice to combating emergency gyno, due to its lower binding affinity to the human ER of about 90x less than tamoxifen, and about 30x less than clomiphene.75,76 However, considering that resveratrol is a pure estrogen antagonist at the pituitary,89 while Clomid has mixed agonist/antagonistic effects,90-94 resveratrol could be a suitable substitute for PCT. Aside from acting as a SERM, resveratrol can also help control estrogen by actually limiting aromatase enzyme production.82 Based on the research, it appears that at least 100mg/day would needed to increase LH, FSH and testosterone production.84 This is comparable dose of resveratrol found in an advanced topical based product, Dermacrine Sustain
LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TO ME
boxmeman
Well-known member
lol exactly what I was about to say, BUT i refrained from doing so why argue with someone who stoops down and calls you out by saying you spend to much time online... After all this is coming from MR O himself:toofunny:, he looks pretty shreded in that pic of what 15-18%bf?
boxmeman
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good luck hope it works... :toofunny:
bluegrass83
New member
I just got some of this and was wondering what to take with it, and what all I should use to post cycle. I was told to take at least 2 months off for post cycle.