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While the Boss is Away.....Part Deux!

I know the DOMS is just from being too aggressive with the weights on my first week back from a week of strategic deconditioning. Plus my workout routine is changed from before. There's lots of red meat and eggs in my diet right now, so that's not helping, either.

Here is the supplement plan for the next month:
multivitamin (split between meals)
enzymes (every meal)
fish oil (usually at least 30g per day, it varies)
xtend(8 scoops peri-wo)
beta alanine(~7g split)
ALC (1g pre-wo)
taurine(1g) + creatine(3g) first thing in the morning
ZMK at night
DHEA (50mg) + mdrol (40mg) is going to be pulsed at 4pm MWF
6-oxo (200mg) at night in opposition to pulse to mitigate suppression
cycle support (1 scoop) the morning after pulses

Seems kind of excessive when you list it all like that.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I know the DOMS is just from being too aggressive with the weights on my first week back from a week of strategic deconditioning. Plus my workout routine is changed from before. There's lots of red meat and eggs in my diet right now, so that's not helping, either.

Here is the supplement plan for the next month:
multivitamin (split between meals)
enzymes (every meal)
fish oil (usually at least 30g per day, it varies)
xtend(8 scoops peri-wo)
beta alanine(~7g split)
ALC (1g pre-wo)
taurine(1g) + creatine(3g) first thing in the morning
ZMK at night
DHEA (50mg) + mdrol (40mg) is going to be pulsed at 4pm MWF
6-oxo (200mg) at night in opposition to pulse to mitigate suppression
cycle support (1 scoop) the morning after pulses

Seems kind of excessive when you list it all like that.
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nice, lots of naturally sourced AA in your diet now....

thats alot of mdrol even for a pulse... at least for me. It would still give me nasty back pumps being dosed that much at once.
 
poopypants said:
nice, lots of naturally sourced AA in your diet now....

thats alot of mdrol even for a pulse... at least for me. It would still give me nasty back pumps being dosed that much at once.
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I did 30mg yesterday, everything was fine. Well, actually, I've had better sleep.

These pulses are being done after my morning workout and work. So back pumps aren't really going to be as much an issue with these doses.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I did 30mg yesterday, everything was fine. Well, actually, I've had better sleep.

These pulses are being done after my morning workout and work. So back pumps aren't really going to be as much an issue with these doses.
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wow really? I guess your trying more to take advantage of the effects during repair time eh? If I was pulsing that much Id probally still pop 10mg before hittin the iron, but Ill be interested to see how this works out for you .
 
poopypants said:
wow really? I guess your trying more to take advantage of the effects during repair time eh? If I was pulsing that much Id probally still pop 10mg before hittin the iron, but Ill be interested to see how this works out for you .
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yeah, I thought it made more sense to use a highly anabolic compound only post workout when doing a pulse. And doing the way I'm doing it would be sort of like extending the "post workout anabolic window" even further.

phera pre-workout, superdrol post-workout worked really well for me a couple months ago

I also kind of want to try pulsing on non-workout days or the days before a workout day.
 
poopypants said:
wow really? I guess your trying more to take advantage of the effects during repair time eh? If I was pulsing that much Id probally still pop 10mg before hittin the iron, but Ill be interested to see how this works out for you .
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Makes sense. This is sort of the reasoning why I wanted to try dosing 30-60 minutes pre workout. To get the energy to hoist the weight, and then to repair. If I take a total of 40mg at 4pm, and the half life is 4 hours, then by the time I eat at 8pm (which is when I eat after the gym usually) I still have about 20mg left in me. Then I get to bed at around 11 ish. Still about 10mg floating around as I'm drifting off.

But Im not a chemist or a doctor or a mustachioed porn star.
 
In addendum, about 5 hours after I posted that I was feeling better, the bottom dropped out. I have a fever, my skin hurts, my tongue is swollen, plus I have DOMS from this week. I also feel like I'm buzzed, which I'm not. Kind of a strange feeling like my brain is either being cooked, or eaten, or perhaps both.

I took my temperature. All I know is this thermometer tastes funny.

This sucks. I hope to be well by monday.
 
WTF is this authentification box that asks for a user name and password, every time I shift between threads or try to post?
 
Dr Packenwood said:
In addendum, about 5 hours after I posted that I was feeling better, the bottom dropped out. I have a fever, my skin hurts, my tongue is swollen, plus I have DOMS from this week. I also feel like I'm buzzed, which I'm not. Kind of a strange feeling like my brain is either being cooked, or eaten, or perhaps both.

I took my temperature. All I know is this thermometer tastes funny.

This sucks. I hope to be well by monday.
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Stomach acid issues???? Try adding enzymes with Betaine HCI
 
bitterplacebo said:
Here is the supplement plan for the next month:
multivitamin (split between meals)
enzymes (every meal)
fish oil (usually at least 30g per day, it varies)
xtend(8 scoops peri-wo)
beta alanine(~7g split)
ALC (1g pre-wo)
taurine(1g) + creatine(3g) first thing in the morning
ZMK at night
DHEA (50mg) + mdrol (40mg) is going to be pulsed at 4pm MWF
6-oxo (200mg) at night in opposition to pulse to mitigate suppression
cycle support (1 scoop) the morning after pulses

Seems kind of excessive when you list it all like that.
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Daymn you are looking mighty cute. I would recommend some Greens though, unless you eat a lot of spinach and other veggies, or else you acid to alkaline ratio might be skewed to acid which causes a catabolic environment.

Other question would be about taking Liver Support during a cycle, which I have heard is counter productive.

Looking forward to yours and Easy's feedback.

Cheers

TF
 
so hard to say what real effect liver support has (in terms of limiting androgen) in a pulse. I think its better to protect the liver tho.

40mg of superdrol hurts me. just from the lethargy. I got decent results with 30 pulsed tho. then again, i'm a pansy


hit 650 on the leg press today, just for 1 rep tho. couldn't get the second one up all the way. previous high was 600 for 5
 
Alright gents, I need a good contest idea for LG. I also need to know what you'd like to win from LG if you won, so I can put together a nice winner's package.
 
EasyEJL said:
so hard to say what real effect liver support has (in terms of limiting androgen) in a pulse. I think its better to protect the liver tho.

40mg of superdrol hurts me. just from the lethargy. I got decent results with 30 pulsed tho. then again, i'm a pansy


hit 650 on the leg press today, just for 1 rep tho. couldn't get the second one up all the way. previous high was 600 for 5
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Have you tried a cycle with and without Liver support? All I am taking is supplements to watch blood pressure.

My legs are weak right now. Did some deadlifts and thought I was going to die.

Also for rep work on the leg press I like add 3 isometric pauses on the negative. Give it a shot, and I bet you will be doing 650 5 times+

-TF
 
Thats a possibility, but for a large prize like that it would have to be a solid contest. Any ideas? I'm looking for something a little more involved than just funny quotes for a specific picture, or similar events.
 
really i've just done some pulsing experiments plus the cycle I just finished. the experiments were running from 20-40mg superdrol 3x a week, then 2 weeks off, done 3 times. it was just to toy with dosing and times to try and figure out how i'd do it longer term.

So pauses at the bottom of stroke but not on the blocks so tension stays on the legs?
 
EasyEJL said:
really i've just done some pulsing experiments plus the cycle I just finished. the experiments were running from 20-40mg superdrol 3x a week, then 2 weeks off, done 3 times. it was just to toy with dosing and times to try and figure out how i'd do it longer term.

So pauses at the bottom of stroke but not on the blocks so tension stays on the legs?
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And 30mg was the best dosage for you?

Well the first pause should be at 2/3 range, 2nd 1/2 range, and the 3rd final should be just be about 1/3 range. Then lower all the way down and back up. Each pause should be about 3 seconds.

-TF
 
30 taken as 20 preworkout, and 10 more within about 30 minutes post workout seemed to be the most i could easily deal with and not have the lethargy affect me at work. I'm pondering next time tho going with that plus another 10 3 hours later to hit the 40, as much of the first 20 would be cleared by then. if I worked out in the evening it would be easier :)
 
EasyEJL said:
30 taken as 20 preworkout, and 10 more within about 30 minutes post workout seemed to be the most i could easily deal with and not have the lethargy affect me at work. I'm pondering next time tho going with that plus another 10 3 hours later to hit the 40, as much of the first 20 would be cleared by then. if I worked out in the evening it would be easier :)
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Why not split it 20/20? That is how I am dosing now, but I also workout at night, but still can't get no sleep. ZMA isn't cut it any longer.

-TF
 
the 20/20 just kills me lethargy wise. I take first dose at say 6am, second around 9, and its just too much. I don't start to recover till 12:30-1
 
t3stxlr4titud said:
Daymn you are looking mighty cute. I would recommend some Greens though, unless you eat a lot of spinach and other veggies, or else you acid to alkaline ratio might be skewed to acid which causes a catabolic environment.

Other question would be about taking Liver Support during a cycle, which I have heard is counter productive.

Looking forward to yours and Easy's feedback.

Cheers

TF
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I eat at least a cup of green vegetables with meals 3,4,5.
Meal two has at least a cup of berries or fruit.
Meal 1 and 6 has hemp protein powder.

I think I have the alkalinity covered, except I might add in more vegetables with meal 1 and 6. This would be easy since they're blended shakes anyway, I'll just grab some green beans or broccoli and blend them up with it.

About the liver support, I'm not sure how counterproductive it would be on my pulse plan. I'm taking it only at a low dose at times when the pulsed compound would be clearing my system anyway. It could have a cumulative effect on reducing the clearing time, though. So I think I'll just leave it out for the next two weeks, unless maybe I start feeling the blood pressure headaches, then I'll want to add it back in to help with that.
 
EasyEJL said:
really i've just done some pulsing experiments plus the cycle I just finished. the experiments were running from 20-40mg superdrol 3x a week, then 2 weeks off, done 3 times. it was just to toy with dosing and times to try and figure out how i'd do it longer term.
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From my experience it's like you need to pulse at least 2-3 weeks at a time to really feel it.
 
EasyEJL said:
30 taken as 20 preworkout, and 10 more within about 30 minutes post workout seemed to be the most i could easily deal with and not have the lethargy affect me at work. I'm pondering next time tho going with that plus another 10 3 hours later to hit the 40, as much of the first 20 would be cleared by then. if I worked out in the evening it would be easier :)
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For me, the workout itself is a big part of the lethargy.

Then adding in those compounds on either side of the workout just puts me over the edge and I'm struggling with the lethargy the rest of the afternoon.

This is why I'm spacing the pulse further away from the workout.
 
funny enough, I noticed slightly less lethargy days where I took all 30 preworkout really early (like 530) and didn't finish workout till almost 9. than taking 20 pre 10 post. but only if i took it early enough and worked out a little later. never really noticed lethargy during workouts, regardless of dosing.

I saw one psycho talking about doing 70 or 80mg pulsing. made my liver hurt
 
bitterplacebo said:
I eat at least a cup of green vegetables with meals 3,4,5.
Meal two has at least a cup of berries or fruit.
Meal 1 and 6 has hemp protein powder.

I think I have the alkalinity covered, except I might add in more vegetables with meal 1 and 6. This would be easy since they're blended shakes anyway, I'll just grab some green beans or broccoli and blend them up with it.

About the liver support, I'm not sure how counterproductive it would be on my pulse plan. I'm taking it only at a low dose at times when the pulsed compound would be clearing my system anyway. It could have a cumulative effect on reducing the clearing time, though. So I think I'll just leave it out for the next two weeks, unless maybe I start feeling the blood pressure headaches, then I'll want to add it back in to help with that.
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Thumbs up on the fruit and veggie intake, most individuals forget about veggies and just worry about protein and carbs.

With your high fish oil intake, your blood pressure shouldn't be an issue; in addition, to supplemental taurine which you can bump up to about 6-10mg.

Others to consider but might already have covered:

CoQ10, potassium, magnesium, and calcium.

-TF
 
In addendum, if I sweat like a race horse in the middle of the night is that a fever? I must have sweated most of the night, and now I feel a little better. Any suggestions on what I can take to knock this **** out? I'm taking Airborne, zinc, echinacia, and magnesium.
And, to kill the little bit of sore throat I have left I'm taking Advil, about 2 at a time 12 hours apart. Seems to be doing the trick.
 
Dr Packenwood said:
In addendum, if I sweat like a race horse in the middle of the night is that a fever? I must have sweated most of the night, and now I feel a little better. Any suggestions on what I can take to knock this **** out? I'm taking Airborne, zinc, echinacia, and magnesium.
And, to kill the little bit of sore throat I have left I'm taking Advil, about 2 at a time 12 hours apart. Seems to be doing the trick.
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maybe consume less dairy for a while

dairy might increase mucus quantity and might further irritate your throat if it's getting stuck there
 
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