Reduction in libido cause of DTH

[Matt Skiba]

It says on the bottle that if DTH reduces libido, then you should lower your dosage.

So Chuck, if you could tell me what the mechanism behind this reduction of libido could be and what might make someone prone to getting this effect that would be great.

Is DTH known to interfere with any other supplements? I also use sustain alpha by primordial labs and am stacking it with DTH, is this too much?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Nunchaku]

It says on the bottle that if DTH reduces libido, then you should lower your dosage.

So Chuck, if you could tell me what the mechanism behind this reduction of libido could be and what might make someone prone to getting this effect that would be great.

Is DTH known to interfere with any other supplements? I also use sustain alpha by primordial labs and am stacking it with DTH, is this too much?

Thanks in advance.

I'm on that stack, sustain alpha + DTH. It's going great in the libido department!!

 

[Matt Skiba]

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I'm not trying to bring the company down in any way, Diesel Test Hardcore has been working pretty nicely for me, and like the person above me stated, combined with alpha sustain libido is through the roof.

The reason I'm asking is because a friend of mine actually told me his testicles got smaller and he got a reduction in libido and worsening of his ED problems. Keep in mind the guy already had ED problems.

So please, just tell me, what might possibly cause someone to have a reduction in libido from taking DTH? The label on the bottle already says this is possible, I'm just curious as to why exactly.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

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I'm not trying to bring the company down in any way, Diesel Test Hardcore has been working pretty nicely for me, and like the person above me stated, combined with alpha sustain libido is through the roof.

The reason I'm asking is because a friend of mine actually told me his testicles got smaller and he got a reduction in libido and worsening of his ED problems. Keep in mind the guy already had ED problems.

So please, just tell me, what might possibly cause someone to have a reduction in libido from taking DTH? The label on the bottle already says this is possible, I'm just curious as to why exactly.

Ive posted why this happens a few times on getdiesel.com

Basically no one responds to the same dose of DTH. If I for example take 6/day my libido will drop because my free test rises pretty easy from DTH. Thats basically what happens when you take DTH and your libido drops, your free test is going up 2 fast and the loopback is a reduction in LH.

This is one guys lab work for using one of the early versions of DT:


before-------------------after
Prolactin-17.7 (2.5-17.0)------- Prolactin 10.6 -7.1 or -40%
Cortisol-21.4 (4.0-22.0) --------Cortisol 14.0 -7.4 or -35%
Estradiol-<20 (<57) ------------Estradiol <15 -5 or -25%
FSH-2.1 (0.7-11.1) ------------FSH-2.0 -0.1 or -4%
LH-3.5 (0.8-7.6) ------------LH 2.3 -1.2 or -35%
TSH-3.65 (.45-4.50) -----------TSH 2.79 -0.86 or -24%

Total Test. 373 (189-1111) Total Test. 485 + 30%
% of Free Test 2.29 (1.1-2.8) % Free Test 2.38 about same
Test, Free-85.5 (40.0-150) Test, Free 115.2 +35%
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Basically a real jump in free test will reduce your LH because LH converts DHEA to testosterone. I had a chart on it but I cant find it right now.

So thats why if you are taking 5/6 DTH a day and your libido goes down, you need to reduce your dosage to 2/3/4 day.

Some people dont need to exceed 2 DT a day, some people need 6. It just depends.

Thats always been a goal of each change in the DT formula of mine it to provide a huge jump in free test and total test without reducing LH. DTH (red bottle) is pretty good at that where most people on 5/6 day see just more of a increase in libido and free test.

Most people in post cycle therapy or with really low test dont get this loop back as in with this guy:

Total Testosterone - from 176 ng/dl to 457 ng/dl (normal range 240 - 820)
Free Test - from 3.5 to 13.4 (normal range 8.7 - 25)
Lh UP from 1.2 to 4.1

Soooo

Total test increased 260% or 2.6 fold almost 3X increase
free test increased 383% 3.83 fold almost 4X increase
LH increased 342% 3.42 fold almost 3.5X

estodiol went up a little from 19 to 22 about 20%
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Most herbal test boosters at any dose wont cause this drop in libido because the rise in total and free test isnt that signifigant. Another example are stong antiestrogen products. They crush libido because they increase test so much most users of Anti-estrogen drugs libido goes away.

I will try to find the loopback chart later.....time to hit back and bi's and I took 4 r4w an hour ago and Im getting anxious to get to the gym.

 

[Matt Skiba]

Much thanks for the thorough response!

 

[Dath]

Chuck, in post #4 you talk about a loopback chart you were going to try and find. Did you find it and post it somewhere? I'm definitely curious to see it and learn more about how a fast rise in test and free test can contribute to low libido.

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Chuck, in post #4 you talk about a loopback chart you were going to try and find. Did you find it and post it somewhere? I'm definitely curious to see it and learn more about how a fast rise in test and free test can contribute to low libido.

Yeah I found it, it basically shows the hormone that decreases LH is Testosterone, so when test jumps up, LH drops because you have more test, thats the job of LH to convert DHEA to test. Its like if your car's ECM (LH) is letting in X amount of oxygen (DHEA), then all of a sudden you go from say Colorado (low oxygen) to Florida (higher oxygen), your throttle performance and torque (testosterone) will increase to higher than what your ECM (LH) would like, so it lets less oxygen in. I mean really I'm skipping the pituitary which really should be in there and the throttle body, but you get the point.

cant find it (the chart) but i know i posted it on a thread here like 2 or so years ago

 

[Dath]

Yeah I found it, it basically shows the hormone that decreases LH is Testosterone, so when test jumps up, LH drops because you have more test, thats the job of LH to convert DHEA to test. Its like if your car's ECM (LH) is letting in X amount of oxygen (DHEA), then all of a sudden you go from say Colorado (low oxygen) to Florida (higher oxygen), your throttle performance and torque (testosterone) will increase to higher than what your ECM (LH) would like, so it lets less oxygen in. I mean really I'm skipping the pituitary which really should be in there and the throttle body, but you get the point.

cant find it (the chart) but i know i posted it on a thread here like 2 or so years ago

Thanks Chuck. So let's say I'm taking a high dose of DTH and my test levels get too high which causes my LH to drop. Will adding Sunami keep the LH levels from dropping too low and killing the libido?

 

[Chuck Diesel]

Thanks Chuck. So let's say I'm taking a high dose of DTH and my test levels get too high which causes my LH to drop. Will adding Sunami keep the LH levels from dropping too low and killing the libido?

well for some people, like me it only drops for a small amount of time, and in the "mid" dosage.....Like 2/day im ok, high libido, 3 day less libido, more "eat ur face" but 6 day should be more like 3 in the libido dept, just depends on your body, no 2 people are the same. Its not like it will drop and u wont have any sex drive at all. Sunami will add more libido boost to DTH.