Greetings: Looking for info on PCT drugs

[GodsHammer]

Hello all, I am going to start a cycle of test prop for 6 weeks at 125mg EOD. I am a football player and I have been lifting for quite some time now. I have a solid frame, 6'4 270 lbs 16% BF but I am lacking high weight strength.I can bench 290 8 times but 345 for 0. This offseason I will be supllementing my intense workout regimen from my school with test and I have a question about the post cycle therapy.

Right now I am looking at Nolvadex immediately following last injetion (after 3 days) at 40mg first day and 20mg after that for 2 weeks. I am also looking at aromasin so my post cycle therapy cycle will consist of

A) Tamoxifen Citrate
B) Aromasin

I am a competing athlete and will be tested. I have had trouble coming across detection times for these two compunds as they ARE BANNED by IOC/NCAA. Does anyone on this board know the detection time for these? I have seen 2-3 weeks for Tamoxifen but 0 Data on Aromasin.

Any advice or input would be appreciated, if you have a different suggestion for what I should use PCT I am open to that too.

Sincerely,

Hammer

 

[GodsHammer]

To answer my own question. Detection time of Novadex and Arim are around 3-5 weeks. 1/2 life for each is less than 3 days, factor in 6 half-lives for 97+% breakdown of both and you should be clear.

 

[aspire210]

don't take i personally, but this board doesn't like to encourage cheating, even if everyone else is doing it.

 

[GodsHammer]

don't take i personally, but this board doesn't like to encourage cheating, even if everyone else is doing it.

I don't, but I have friends at Illinois state schools who are given drug tests that don't play sports. A couple of them were for steroids. If you have a government job and they look for AAS use it might be of interest to them as well.

 

[MattMiller]

why risk your football career man? if you are playing football in college you are still young enough to make gains pretty easily. just buckle down, bust your ass and get on something that is not banned by the ncaa and the strength will come.

 

[MattMiller]

if you are dead set on this cycle though then these are good places to start reading. the text posted below was originally by neoborn and the link at the bottom is to thesinners guide to PCT




1. Cycle Support

2. Post Cycle Support

3. Go see Dr.!

Or
Most Importantly!

No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to post cycle therapy

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your post cycle therapy and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced post cycle therapy.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain, 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme post cycle therapy. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your post cycle therapy therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your post cycle therapy for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your post cycle therapy, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT


3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: @@@ Gyno Questions - Please Read This First @@@ - Bodybuilding.com Forums

4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:


5. Love your Liver!



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