KingMeso
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I have 3 bottles of M4OHN from Designer Supplements (90 count of 4mg tabs) from awhile back. I also have 1 bottle of Methyel-Dien from Designer Supplements.
I was wondering what would be the best way to stack them? Is the Methyl-Dien even worth it? Two methyl orals sounds bad, plus I remember hearing Methyl-Dien being fairly harsh on the liver. Maybe start with one before the other? I might not even touch the Methyl-Dien, but definitely the M4OHN.
I'm mixed up on the what dosage and how long to run it. I've seen everywhere from 8-10 mgs a day for 4 weeks to 40mg a day for 6 weeks, and everything in between.
Does anyone remember what the staple is?
I am going to do another run of albuterol for 3-4 weeks @ 16 mg a day. Should I run that before or after this methyl cycle? Or does it really even matter?
Stats:
Weight - 170 lbs.
BF% - 7% (Dipped)
Ratio - 50/30/20
I'm cutting as low as possible, then starting a SUPER clean, long bulk.
Sorry for the long ass post.
Here is the old label readout from DS:
M4OHN - Methyl-4 Hydroxy Nandrolone
Technical Name: 17a-methyl-4 hydroxy nandrolone
Description: M4OHN is an active hormone, it does not require a conversion to a target hormone such as 4AD Cyp. It is a Nandrolone derivative however the 4-OH group added inhibits a conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or DHN (dihydronandrolone) making this a mildly androgenic and highly anabolic compound. There is also no conversion to estrogen (Rubin et al. Endrocinol., 49, 1951, p. 429); or progesterone (McPhail, 3. Physiol. 83,1955, p. 145). Mg to Mg comparison M4OHN is 10x more anabolic then Anavar.
Benefits: Increases in lean mass as well as moderate strength gains. Increased nitrogen retention, making the body a more anabolic environment. Central Nervous System (CNS) stimulation, not in a jittery ephedrine type feeling but you should be able to sleep less and still feel refreshed upon waking. Less time is needed for recovery between sets and workouts. There should be no decrease in sex drive, and should help with joint pain. Increases in the ability to lose fat while increasing vascularity.
Suggested Use: 8-16mgs per day (2-4 tablets) based on bodyweight or experience of individual. Always start with a lower dose and increase slowly every 5 days as needed. Do not use for longer then 6-8 weeks, followed by a full PCT.
Under 160lbs: 8mgs
160-175lbs: 10mgs
175-190lbs: 12mgs
190-205lbs: 14mgs
205lbs +: 16mgs
Stacking and Cycles: Methyl-4OHN should work well in both bulking and cutting cycles depending on what type of diet/workout you are using as well as what other compounds it could is used with. The use of 600-800mgs of R-Ala per day is suggested when using any type of methylated compound.
-Cutting cycles:
8-10mgs of M4OHN per day, 20-30mgs of M5AA preworkout only for 4-6 weeks.
8mgs M4OHN per day, 5-7mgs Methyl-Dien per day for 4 weeks.
400-600mgs per week of 1 Test Cyp and or 5AA Cyp, 8-16mgs M4OHN per day for 6-8 weeks.
-Bulking cycles:
1200-1600mgs of either 4 AD Cyp, Pro-Sust or Sledge Test per week, 8-16mgs per day of M4OHN for 6-8 weeks.
60-90mgs of Methyl-14ADDiol per day, 8-10mgs of M4OHN per day for 4-6 weeks.
500mgs of 1 Test Cyp per week, 60mgs of Methyl-14ADDiol per day, 8mgs of M4OHN per day for 4-6 weeks.
Possible Side Effects: this seems to be a very mild compound with few side effects. But all steroid hormones may cause acne, accelerated male pattern baldness, gynecomastia, testicle shrinkage, increased facial and body hair in men. As well as voice deepening and clitoral enlargement in females. This product should not be used by anyone under the age of 18 and always consult your physician before starting any new supplement.
I was wondering what would be the best way to stack them? Is the Methyl-Dien even worth it? Two methyl orals sounds bad, plus I remember hearing Methyl-Dien being fairly harsh on the liver. Maybe start with one before the other? I might not even touch the Methyl-Dien, but definitely the M4OHN.
I'm mixed up on the what dosage and how long to run it. I've seen everywhere from 8-10 mgs a day for 4 weeks to 40mg a day for 6 weeks, and everything in between.
Does anyone remember what the staple is?
I am going to do another run of albuterol for 3-4 weeks @ 16 mg a day. Should I run that before or after this methyl cycle? Or does it really even matter?
Stats:
Weight - 170 lbs.
BF% - 7% (Dipped)
Ratio - 50/30/20
I'm cutting as low as possible, then starting a SUPER clean, long bulk.
Sorry for the long ass post.
Here is the old label readout from DS:
M4OHN - Methyl-4 Hydroxy Nandrolone
Technical Name: 17a-methyl-4 hydroxy nandrolone
Description: M4OHN is an active hormone, it does not require a conversion to a target hormone such as 4AD Cyp. It is a Nandrolone derivative however the 4-OH group added inhibits a conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or DHN (dihydronandrolone) making this a mildly androgenic and highly anabolic compound. There is also no conversion to estrogen (Rubin et al. Endrocinol., 49, 1951, p. 429); or progesterone (McPhail, 3. Physiol. 83,1955, p. 145). Mg to Mg comparison M4OHN is 10x more anabolic then Anavar.
Benefits: Increases in lean mass as well as moderate strength gains. Increased nitrogen retention, making the body a more anabolic environment. Central Nervous System (CNS) stimulation, not in a jittery ephedrine type feeling but you should be able to sleep less and still feel refreshed upon waking. Less time is needed for recovery between sets and workouts. There should be no decrease in sex drive, and should help with joint pain. Increases in the ability to lose fat while increasing vascularity.
Suggested Use: 8-16mgs per day (2-4 tablets) based on bodyweight or experience of individual. Always start with a lower dose and increase slowly every 5 days as needed. Do not use for longer then 6-8 weeks, followed by a full PCT.
Under 160lbs: 8mgs
160-175lbs: 10mgs
175-190lbs: 12mgs
190-205lbs: 14mgs
205lbs +: 16mgs
Stacking and Cycles: Methyl-4OHN should work well in both bulking and cutting cycles depending on what type of diet/workout you are using as well as what other compounds it could is used with. The use of 600-800mgs of R-Ala per day is suggested when using any type of methylated compound.
-Cutting cycles:
8-10mgs of M4OHN per day, 20-30mgs of M5AA preworkout only for 4-6 weeks.
8mgs M4OHN per day, 5-7mgs Methyl-Dien per day for 4 weeks.
400-600mgs per week of 1 Test Cyp and or 5AA Cyp, 8-16mgs M4OHN per day for 6-8 weeks.
-Bulking cycles:
1200-1600mgs of either 4 AD Cyp, Pro-Sust or Sledge Test per week, 8-16mgs per day of M4OHN for 6-8 weeks.
60-90mgs of Methyl-14ADDiol per day, 8-10mgs of M4OHN per day for 4-6 weeks.
500mgs of 1 Test Cyp per week, 60mgs of Methyl-14ADDiol per day, 8mgs of M4OHN per day for 4-6 weeks.
Possible Side Effects: this seems to be a very mild compound with few side effects. But all steroid hormones may cause acne, accelerated male pattern baldness, gynecomastia, testicle shrinkage, increased facial and body hair in men. As well as voice deepening and clitoral enlargement in females. This product should not be used by anyone under the age of 18 and always consult your physician before starting any new supplement.
