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Epistane PCT question

dra05ke

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should i use Nolvadex/Tribulus supp. or Cyclofenil/Tribulus supp. for my PCT of a 4 week cycle of Epistane? seeing as i have both on hand already just want to know which would be more better for the given situation ..and i have used both before but Nolva made me depressed when coming off as Cyclofenil did not. But that is not a determining factor for my PCT choice. THANKS
 
should post in the PCT sub forum, mods dont want steroid/pct questions in the supplement forum anymore. if you cant use nolva use torem, most think it works much better anyways.
 
Most Importantly!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - Invalid Link Removed
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), Dermacrine Sustain, 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT
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i think it might be good to discuss what actual type of panel you need to get for the bloodwork including those items you need to have results reflected for in the bloodwork.
 
AnonyMoose said:
i think it might be good to discuss what actual type of panel you need to get for the bloodwork including those items you need to have results reflected for in the bloodwork.
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Excellent point Moose!
So many time I hear "Bloodwork" but this encompasses a hell of a lot of things.
Maybe a "Sticky" under PCT which lists WHAT to test, and what protocol to follow if a certain reading is HIGH or LOW.
 
AnonyMoose said:
i think it might be good to discuss what actual type of panel you need to get for the bloodwork including those items you need to have results reflected for in the bloodwork.
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Bloodwork - Complete Panel Blood Test & Comprehensive Thyroid Panel.

• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
• SHBG
• DHT
• Estradiol (specify “ultrasensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Profile
• T7 Comprehensive Thyroid Panel
 
neoborn said:
Bloodwork - Complete Panel Blood Test & Comprehensive Thyroid Panel.

• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
• SHBG
• DHT
• Estradiol (specify “ultrasensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Profile
• T7 Comprehensive Thyroid Panel
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unless i read that fast - that complete panel is a hormonal panel sometimes refered to as an anti-aging panel. what about liver enzymes?
 
A normal blood test will usually test your Total Test, liver, HDL, LDL etc etc anyway I don't think you have to be specific there but there are others here who are more knowledgeable on this stuff.

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neoborn said:
A normal blood test will usually test your Total Test, liver, HDL, LDL etc etc anyway I don't think you have to be specific there but there are others here who are more knowledgeable on this stuff.

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groovy baby. . .
 
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