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Axis Labs Hemodraulix Leaked!

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Is this the real deal? I found a website that is pre-selling the new AA+NO supplement that was fused by a licensing agreement between Axis Labs and Molecular Nutrition. Has this already hit shelves?

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I don't see nothing new in the ingredients profile .
For me it`s a product that I pass , the AA gives me headaches.
 
what I'm wondering is if while on hemodraulix, you'll need to alter your diet like you were on x-factor, or if the AA isn't as potent in this blend
 
MESSPLAY said:
what I'm wondering is if while on hemodraulix, you'll need to alter your diet like you were on x-factor, or if the AA isn't as potent in this blend
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I`m almost sure that you have to alter your diet .
If it got AA , you must follow AA rules...
 
Yeah that sounds reasonable. I don't really quite understand the synergy between AA and NO. How does AA react with the body during exercise?
 
MESSPLAY; said:
Is this the real deal? I found a website that is pre-selling the new AA+NO supplement that was fused by a licensing agreement between Axis Labs and Molecular Nutrition. Has this already hit shelves? ---
If this is information that is NOT supposed to be shared, would a mod please delete this post accordingly.

Or if this information has already been posted, please bash me.
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It would be disappointing if HemodrauliX is already been pre-sold elsewhere and we at AM did not get a chance to grab some!
 
MESSPLAY said:
Yeah that sounds reasonable. I don't really quite understand the synergy between AA and NO. How does AA react with the body during exercise?
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AA is a vasodilator too , maybe axis try to catch 2 ways of increasing blood flow into muscles, interesting that I saw in other threads some reps from MN saying that you dont need NO products when using AA because the vasodilation can`t get any better, maybe axis dont think the same way...
 
MESSPLAY; said:
Yeah that sounds reasonable. I don't really quite understand the synergy between AA and NO. How does AA react with the body during exercise?
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Nitric oxide is involved in arachidonic acid synthesis, amongst others. Elevation of nitric oxide activity in endothelial cells would not only produce vasodilation and other outcomes, but would also lead to elevation of arachidonic acid synthesis. A blend with advanced arginine forms may not require a huge dose of arachidonic acid, as the synergy would spare huge doses of arachidonic acid.

The following study may help.

Regulation of cyclooxygenase enzymes by nitric oxide.

Nitric oxide (NO), derived from L-arginine (L-Arg) by the enzyme nitric oxide synthase (NOS) is involved in the regulation of several important physiological and pathophysiological functions. The mechanisms by which NO exerts some of its beneficial or detrimental effects include activation of guanylate cyclase, formation of peroxynitrite, apoptosis, and regulation of cyclooxygenase (COX). Cyclooxygenase (COX) is the enzyme that converts arachidonic acid to prostaglandins (PG), prostacyclin (PGI2) and thromboxane A2. The role of NO in the regulation of COX and its importance in physiology, pathology and therapy will be reviewed. Evidence will be presented to suggest that COX enzymes are targets for the physiopathological roles of NO and that once activated in the presence of NO, they represent important transduction mechanisms for its multifaceted actions.

Authored by Salvemini D. Discovery Pharmacology, G.D. Searle Co., St. Louis, Missouri 63167, USA.
Published in Cell Mol Life Sci. 1997 Jul;53(7):576-82
 
Always helpful guys. Strategic, what are the benefits PG and PGI2 ? Or is it the energy of the conversion that is beneficial

Sorry, I'm trying to soak up as much information as possible.
 
MESSPLAY; said:
Always helpful guys. Strategic, what are the benefits PG and PGI2 ? Or is it the energy of the conversion that is beneficial

Sorry, I'm trying to soak up as much information as possible.
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They are basically part of arachidonic acid's inflammatory pathway. More specifically the arachidonic acid cascade involves 5-LOX (5-Lipooxygenase), COX-1, and COX-2.

5-LOX (5-Lipooxygenase) is an enzyme that is produced in higher amounts by the body in response to an overload of arachidonic acid. 5-LOX functions to degrade arachidonic acid. However, 5-LOX directly stimulates the propagation of cancer cells. Furthermore, 5-LOX produces breakdown products from arachidonic acid. These products, leukotriene B4, 5-HETE, and hydroxylated fatty acids, motivate tissue destruction, chronic inflammation, as well as the increased resistance of tumor cells to apoptosis or programmed cell destruction.

Apart from 5-LOX, the body produces other dangerous enzymes such as cyclooxygenase-1 (COX-1) and cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) that participate in the breakdown of arachidonic acid.

COX-1 leads to the production of thromboxane A2. Thromboxane can enhance abnormal arterial blood clotting or thrombosis, leading to heart attack and stroke.

COX-2 participates directly in cancer cell propagation. Its breakdown product, prostaglandin E2 fosters chronic inflammation.
 
I just wanted to add that HemodrauliX, due to its nitric-oxide-arachidonic acid blend, will definitely be the first arachidonic-acid product I will use. It is definitely a unique and refreshing blend that goes well beyond the usual NO-type products. I am really looking forward to it :D.
 
I would prefer to just stack BA and Xfactor together (rather than pay near 50$ for argenine and small amounts of BA and Arachadonic Acid).
 
wontdie; said:
alright, I'd be adding bulk Arginine to my bulk X now. :)
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Would be a good idea :D
 
LatSpread said:
I would prefer to just stack BA and Xfactor together (rather than pay near 50$ for argenine and small amounts of BA and Arachadonic Acid).
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a 30 day supply of X-Factor is approximately 45 bucks. cheaper if you buy the bulk powder. You shouldnt knock a product unless you know how it works. Sometimes the ingredience list is kinda strange (Ill admit that) but axis seems to release decent products. I dont really see any complaints about them. Ill wait to try this before I knock on it. You should too. You would be surprised how different dosages make a difference in terms of results. bulkng AA and BA probably might not be as effective as what Axis releases.

The point of Xfactor is for inflammation purposes while the AA in hemo is not. Same supplement ingredient, different purposes. Like caffeine, it can be used as a stimulant for energy in the gym or combined with in a ECA fashion used for fat loss.
 
nunes said:
AA is a vasodilator too , maybe axis try to catch 2 ways of increasing blood flow into muscles, interesting that I saw in other threads some reps from MN saying that you dont need NO products when using AA because the vasodilation can`t get any better, maybe axis dont think the same way...
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It's not that pumps "can't" be better. But if you look at Hemo, it is recommended to use pre wo. I don't know, but I assume the AA in this product is lower than 1 g. Also, there are no problems using a NO product and AA. With a full dose of XF, plus a NO product, you might get a pump so intense that some extra reps can't be done (it happened to me), which is not really what we're looking for..

I think that this product is really promising and will yield to great pumps and vasularity!
 
jjohn said:
It's not that pumps "can't" be better. But if you look at Hemo, it is recommended to use pre wo. I don't know, but I assume the AA in this product is lower than 1 g. Also, there are no problems using a NO product and AA. With a full dose of XF, plus a NO product, you might get a pump so intense that some extra reps can't be done (it happened to me), which is not really what we're looking for..

I think that this product is really promising and will yield to great pumps and vasularity!
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Well said Jjohn!!!
 
jjohn; said:
....you might get a pump so intense that some extra reps can't be done...
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This made me laugh!
 
I would definitely avoid taking anti-oxidants such as alpha lipoic acid and so on at the same time as HemodrauliX. Or for that matter a COX-1 inhibitor such as Aspirin, COX-2 inhibitors such as Green Tea, Curcumin and Resveratrol, and a 5-LOX inhibitor such as Curcumin. And so on.
 
MESSPLAY; said:
i couldnt wait. i bought two bottles at the presale and i'll be logging both. wish me luck boys!!!
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Get the best out of it :thumbsup:
 
I posted the ingredient profile and the science on this product in the company promotion thread about 3-4 weeks ago. So I am unsure what all the "leak" talk is about. heh

The AA acts as a "helper" for the "pump" properties. This product is meant as a preworkout product.

Please do not get this product mixed up with X-Factor. The dose of AA is different, and the product is meant for a whole different purpose.

Should be available everywhere this month.
 
MESSPLAY said:
i couldnt wait. i bought two bottles at the presale and i'll be logging both. wish me luck boys!!!
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Please share with us what you thought of the product after using it.

I am also sure we will be running some tester log/reviews on this in the very near future.
 
jjohn said:
It's not that pumps "can't" be better. But if you look at Hemo, it is recommended to use pre wo. I don't know, but I assume the AA in this product is lower than 1 g. Also, there are no problems using a NO product and AA. With a full dose of XF, plus a NO product, you might get a pump so intense that some extra reps can't be done (it happened to me), which is not really what we're looking for..

I think that this product is really promising and will yield to great pumps and vasularity!
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I hope so bro, AA is without any doubt a good vasodilator(the headaches some people feel are the proof of it, increased vasodilation can give headaches), I just posted what I saw, the rep said that when using AA NO products arent needed but I agree with you.
By the way the second time I used AA I stacked it with cissus and the headaches were minor , any explanation?
Is it good or not take cissus with AA, I know theres a lot of threads about this but does MN got the final answer?
 
nunes said:
I hope so bro, AA is without any doubt a good vasodilator(the headaches some people feel are the proof of it, increased vasodilation can give headaches), I just posted what I saw, the rep said that when using AA NO products arent needed but I agree with you.
By the way the second time I used AA I stacked it with cissus and the headaches were minor , any explanation?
Is it good or not take cissus with AA, I know theres a lot of threads about this but does MN got the final answer?
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For now, a resonable dose of cissus does not seem to hurt the results, but there is no official exact amount right now that we've established.
 
jjohn said:
For now, a resonable dose of cissus does not seem to hurt the results, but there is no official exact amount right now that we've established.
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I would agree with John here. Cissus is known to have potent anti-inflammatory properties, and all potent anti-inflammatory compounds would be counter-productive to the established arachidonic-acid pathways. So, if you have to take cissus with an arachidonic acid product, watch your cissus dose closely, otherwise you could neutralize the intended arachidonic acid effects.
 
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