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HELP ME DECIDE: MAN Clout vs. SizeOn vs. SyntheSIZE vs. ???

Azaloth

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I'm looking for a new creatine, potentially to run in tandem with NeoVar (and the rest of the AN stack). I'd like to try something that is either creatine mono based or a blend of mono and CEE (or another advanced form of creatine). I've seen decent results from CEE products over the past few years but with the recent study putting CEE into a less favorable light, I'm ready to try mono again. I remember seeing fantastic results from mono but not liking the water retention.

Right now, I've narrowed down the playing field to either MAN Clout (have heard nothing but good things, especially about stacking it w/Body Octane), SizeOn (looks like a great comprehensive formula), and the new SyntheSIZE (from AvantResearch - a bunch of damn smart fellas). I'm also open to other ideas, so please let me know your thoughts.

Cost is less of an issue than overall performance enhancement potential. Obviously, I'm not in favor of massively overpaying but I'm willing to pay more for the best stuff out there.

So let's here it folks... what's the best creatine on the market for someone who wants to shy away from a pure CEE or krey-alk formula?
 
I haven't tried the other two but Clout is the best Creatine product I've ever tried, excluding Cialabol. Only thing about Clout is that if you want to run it for a month you'll need two tubs.
 
I'd reccomend SyntheSIZE + bulk/capped citrlline malate and beta alanine.

If cutting or recomping,add in 2 grams glucosamine w/each SyntheSIZE dose for leptin manipulation.Thereby in essence,replicating the effect that Leptigen Mass had.


I'm personally in favor of laying down the requisite dough for supplements that truly go the extra mile beyond just a thing as cell volumization/performance enhancement.IOW,opting for SynteSIZE'S ability to potentiate the natural anabolic effect of meals while getting the proven things like beta alanine and cit. malate in bulk.Savings are around $70-90 per month if this avenue is taken with results still being on par and reaps the integral benefits all three supplements bought at full retail.

Of course I'm somewhat biased as I'm an AR rep but cough,cough,linked below is a log I kept on the SyntheSIZE beta from July of '06,well before I shacked up with AR.The beta was the final as is minus a decent flavoring system and creatine mono among others.

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I've also used Clout stand alone and impressive results were realized but my final recommendation stays the same.The beta alanine/niacin rush did annoy the Hell out of me at first but you get somewhat acclimated to BA after a while.
 
I have good feelings about Clout and SyntheSize

I think clout is the ultimate creatine.

I think synthesize is the only meal potentiater.

I know nothing of sizeon.
 
Id have to say clout again. I have tried SizeOn because it was getting alot of hype and good reviews here about a year ago....i wasnt impressed. Creatine Mono worked better for me than Sizeon. I here steady good feedback and praise on Clout and this is over the years so i really want to try it next if budget allows. i dont know much about Synthesize except that it is a blend of mono and ethyl ester...
 
I noticed in SyntheSIZE you have zinc gluconate+NAC.

I can't see the ingredient amounts on nutraplanet (they don't scan in labels at all, hint, hint), but most ppl know that NAC acts as a chelator so having those 2 ingredients together in a way negates the zinc.


Muscle-Tech's ZMA formula awhile back had Zinc+NAC. At least they left out the calcium too I suppose.
 
Ziricote said:
I haven't tried the other two but Clout is the best Creatine product I've ever tried, excluding Cialabol. Only thing about Clout is that if you want to run it for a month you'll need two tubs.
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Hi Ziricote,

I did some brief searching regarding Cialabol but wasn't able to find a ton of information. Can you or someone else direct me somewhere that has more unbiased info about this supplement. I'm usually relatively "in the know" but I've never heard of this one before.

Thanks!
 
It's a product USPLabs did a short run of, off memory I think AP have a similar type of product although I can't vouch for it.

The only info you're going to find on it is on anabolicminds so just search the site for cialabol, you should find some logs.
 
Okay, taking into account that I'd be running neovar at the same time (so I can take in a ton of carbs and put them to work), do you guys still think Clout is the best choice?

I too am leaning that way only because it's backed by years of almost exclusively glowing reviews. A rare phenomenon in an industry where usually supplements go through 1-2 months of hype and then fall off the radar.

Also, what do you guys know about Orotine by MAN? To me it looks basically like a slightly higher dose of the core ingredient in Clout minus the extra stuff. Has anyone compared it directly to Clout?

Also, what are people's thoughts on MAN's Body Octane?

Thanks.
 
I love Body Octane , it was one of the first product i use that had BA in it...


Orotine - have tried it but its the core of Clout... so if you were strapped for cash.. .

Orotine and BO would be pretty good
 
Man has very good product.. they just don't bring out products for the sake of it.. most of time its pretty new ingredient's
 
dazilla said:
I love Body Octane , it was one of the first product i use that had BA in it...


Orotine - have tried it but its the core of Clout... so if you were strapped for cash.. .

Orotine and BO would be pretty good
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BO? as in body odor? Yes! That is a killer stack!
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ReaperX said:
I noticed in SyntheSIZE you have zinc gluconate+NAC.

I can't see the ingredient amounts on nutraplanet (they don't scan in labels at all, hint, hint), but most ppl know that NAC acts as a chelator so having those 2 ingredients together in a way negates the zinc.


Muscle-Tech's ZMA formula awhile back had Zinc+NAC. At least they left out the calcium too I suppose.
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Par Deus has addressed this concern and others involving NAC ( optimal absorption on empty stomach) but I can't recall his response.Other than to say he stated this was a non issue,I'll have to defer this to him or Sir Savage.
 
ReaperX said:
I noticed in SyntheSIZE you have zinc gluconate+NAC.

I can't see the ingredient amounts on nutraplanet (they don't scan in labels at all, hint, hint), but most ppl know that NAC acts as a chelator so having those 2 ingredients together in a way negates the zinc.


Muscle-Tech's ZMA formula awhile back had Zinc+NAC. At least they left out the calcium too I suppose.
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This is a little on the nonsensical side, my friend.

From Par Deus himself-

All kinds of things compete with each other for uptake, metabolism, etc. from minerals to amino acids to sugars. It is not like when you have a meal, which contains lots of things like that, that nothing gets absorbed.

And, SyntheSIZE is taken with meals, so you could worry about a lot more than the NAC. But, that is silly.

The body evolved to do things the way it does for a reason. If you provide adequate substrate, the body gets it done like it is supposed to.
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Which is to say, while certain things do compete for absorption, that doesn't mean that you get little or no benefit from taking them together. If that were the case, hell, you shouldn't eat meals at all since so many things compete for absorption.
 
As for the subject itself, I'd go with SyntheSIZE, although I am definitely a little biased.

But the reason you should go with SyntheSIZE is not just because it's a "creatine product/cell volumizer". It's also a meal optimizer. It helps create and maintain optimal pH levels, as well as help you breakdown and assimilate your meals better.

The meal optimization angle is something that really shouldn't be ignored, since food is THE most important anabolic substance there is. You need to get everything you possibly can out of your food for maximum benefit.
 
Sir Savage said:
The meal optimization angle is something that really shouldn't be ignored, since food is THE most important anabolic substance there is. You need to get everything you possibly can out of your food for maximum benefit.
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Hi Sir Savage,

Thanks for the response. Since I am not that familiar with SyntheSIZE perhaps you could fill me in a bit more on how exactly it optimizes one's meals. If you want to link me to some write-ups, reviews, etc. that would be great. Also, how would it balance with NeoVar which optimizes the body's use of carbs similar to the way Anabolic Pump does (at least that's my understanding).

Thanks.
 
Aza,

Here is the initial write up on SyntheSIZE-

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It explains fairly well how SyntheSIZE optimizes meals. But the God's honest truth is that we're not satisfied with the SyntheSIZE write up as it stands. It just doesn't explain things in detail like it should, so as I explained here-

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We're re-doing the SyntheSIZE write up and it will explain things much better. When it's ready, I'm going to post it, along with the reviews of SyntheSIZE beta and final, in an all new thread that formally introduces SyntheSIZE to the public.

Basically, though, here's how SyntheSIZE improves meal efficiency-

Aminogen® is a patented enzyme that actually helps you breakdown and assimilate protein. There is clinical research showing that it boosts amino acid levels and nitrogen retention. This means that you get more amino acids from your meals for muscle growth.

Also, the lactate and citrate salts of Mg and Ca buffer for optimal homeostatic pH levels, which are essential to maintaining ideal conditions for anabolism (muscle growth) to occur.

Keep an eye out for the new SyntheSIZE write up, which will explain all of the benefits.
 
This was very helpful thanks!

The only part that I'm still unclear on is how it would interact with NeoVar (see label here: Invalid Link Removed).

Sir Savage said:
Aza,

Here is the initial write up on SyntheSIZE-

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It explains fairly well how SyntheSIZE optimizes meals. But the God's honest truth is that we're not satisfied with the SyntheSIZE write up as it stands. It just doesn't explain things in detail like it should, so as I explained here-

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We're re-doing the SyntheSIZE write up and it will explain things much better. When it's ready, I'm going to post it, along with the reviews of SyntheSIZE beta and final, in an all new thread that formally introduces SyntheSIZE to the public.

Basically, though, here's how SyntheSIZE improves meal efficiency-

Aminogen® is a patented enzyme that actually helps you breakdown and assimilate protein. There is clinical research showing that it boosts amino acid levels and nitrogen retention. This means that you get more amino acids from your meals for muscle growth.

Also, the lactate and citrate salts of Mg and Ca buffer for optimal homeostatic pH levels, which are essential to maintaining ideal conditions for anabolism (muscle growth) to occur.

Keep an eye out for the new SyntheSIZE write up, which will explain all of the benefits.
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Azaloth said:
Okay, taking into account that I'd be running neovar at the same time (so I can take in a ton of carbs and put them to work), do you guys still think Clout is the best choice?

I too am leaning that way only because it's backed by years of almost exclusively glowing reviews. A rare phenomenon in an industry where usually supplements go through 1-2 months of hype and then fall off the radar.

Also, what do you guys know about Orotine by MAN? To me it looks basically like a slightly higher dose of the core ingredient in Clout minus the extra stuff. Has anyone compared it directly to Clout?

Also, what are people's thoughts on MAN's Body Octane?

Thanks.
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Neovar and SyntheSize are both meal optimizers, if that is your goal then they would go really well together...
 
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