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Seeking OTC Testosterone increase guidance

ATH3386 said:
You state that squats and deads raising test is a myth. This is to be interperted by any normal individual as "Squats and deads don't cause increases." Now, your points as of now are, "All exercises increase hormone levels" while your original idea was that squats and deads didnt. Either your english is faulty or your logic is faulty. I believe it is logic.

If there is a study on test differences from squat( as you are telling neo to find one), there would be one on either increase or decrease. So telling neo that its his job to prove is the same as you disproving. Why should he have to prove a common believe that he has shown proof for? I think you should show proof for your disbelief of a common thought. There has been evidence showing exercise increases test. Your original thought was that squat and deadlift DONT increase test. This would mean that not all exercises increase test.. which is the idea youre advocating to use at the moment.

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I highly doubt any lab would specifically study the effects from ONE exercise. There are studies out there showing that heavier exercise increases test more than lighter exercise due to the secretion of hormone to repair the muscle damaged. One would have to use a small amount of common sense to link this to the idea that since squat uses every muscle under the bar(a mostly true saying). This would mean all of these muscles "request" a release of hormone. Overall, this results in a greater amount of test released vs. those who do pull ups, military press, or some other exercise that focuses on less muscle groups.

Please, do not come back with the "study" excuse. If that is the first thing to come to your mind, I suggest re-reading my post a few times until it sinks in and you can admit that you are wrong.

OR you can find a study disproving this. To say there wouldnt be a study is rediculous. There are plenty of disproving studies out there about certain things. Thats why its called exerimentation. If everything was in a cookie cutter layout.. we would know everything about anything. Look at trib.. They tested its ability to raise Test levels. They disproved that myth.. So you can disprove this one if that what you feel so strongly about.
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Why did you feel the need to come and actually post on this thread? Why do I care what you think about how I interpreted the question??? lol, and umm... yeah, all exc raise hormones, that is how recovery takes place. If you don't understand that basic info by pre-equisite, then you really shouldn't be involved in this discussion. The point he was trying to make was that it gives MAJOR TEST INCREASES, oppossed to other smaller bodyparts which is complete horse****. It does not give a DRAMATIC enough increase to NOTICE.

I love it when there is a discussion takin place then whenever we get into it, you got some flamboyant wording retard chiming in with how he thinks he knows what I knew better than me, lol...

Now that neo gets proven wrong, him and his followers try to act like they're still right just because they spend their whole lives on this board and cannot deal with negativity in front of their e-followers.

Hey neo, anytime you feel like debating me in anything bb'ing, nutrition, AAS, let me know, I'll let the masses be known your still a newbie to all this stuff and dethrone you ASAP. You act like you know so much yet you can't even participate in the simplest of debates w/o talking in circles...

Neo brought it to the table, I didn't. So I questioned him and asked for proof. He couldn't put up so he LOST! Get it? got it? GOOOOOD! :D
 
lifted said:
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Why did you feel the need to come and actually post on this thread? Why do I care what you think about how I interpreted the question??? lol, and umm... yeah, all exc raise hormones, that is how recovery takes place. If you don't understand that basic info by pre-equisite, then you really shouldn't be involved in this discussion. The point he was trying to make was that it gives MAJOR TEST INCREASES, oppossed to other smaller bodyparts which is complete horse****. It does not give a DRAMATIC enough increase to NOTICE.

I love it when there is a discussion takin place then whenever we get into it, you got some flamboyant wording retard chiming in with how he thinks he knows what I knew better than me, lol...

Now that neo gets proven wrong, him and his followers try to act like they're still right just because they spend their whole lives on this board and cannot deal with negativity in front of their e-followers.

Hey neo, anytime you feel like debating me in anything bb'ing, nutrition, anabolic steroids, let me know, I'll let the masses be known your still a newbie to all this stuff and dethrone you ASAP. You act like you know so much yet you can't even participate in the simplest of debates w/o talking in circles...

Neo brought it to the table, I didn't. So I questioned him and asked for proof. He couldn't put up so he LOST! Get it? got it? GOOOOOD! :D
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Looks like someone was on a ego trip.

Btw "WINNER" (didnt realize this was a game) heres a snippet from the Sports Medical Journal 2005.

It states, and I quote:

"Protocols high in volume, moderate to high in intensity, using short rest intervals and stressing a large muscle mass, tend to produce the greatest acute hormonal elevations (e.g. testosterone, GH and the catabolic hormone cortisol) compared with low-volume, high-intensity protocols using long rest intervals. Other anabolic hormones such as insulin and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) are critical to skeletal muscle growth."

Kraemer WJ, Ratamess NA. Hormonal responses and adaptations to resistance exercise and training. Sports Med. 2005;35(4):339-61. Review.

(hint: a large muscle mass = i.e Legs..... which should lead you down the road to squats..)

So i think it is safe to say that it is possible that a larger muscle group causes a higher release of growth hormones...no?

And:

"Heavy-resistance response evokes a testosterone response. An higher increase in testosterone concentration has been found after four series of six squats. At 90%- 95% of 6RM and after four series of 9 or 10 squats at 60% – 65% of 6RM."

(Schwab et. al 1993)

(hint: the key word here is squats)

With your lame attitude man in that last post, reagardless of whether you were right or wrong, you simply arent to gain any respect around here.
 
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lifted said:
Now that neo gets proven wrong, him and his followers try to act like they're still right just because they spend their whole lives on this board and cannot deal with negativity in front of their e-followers.
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I'm sorry I must have missed it, please provide a link to your proof or studies where I am wrong or even where you are proven right. The difference I think between you and me, is that I'm ok with being wrong, just let me know so I can post something of value and truth, rather than potentially leading others astray. Thank you.

lifted said:
Hey neo, anytime you feel like debating me in anything bb'ing, nutrition, anabolic steroids, let me know, I'll let the masses be known your still a newbie to all this stuff and dethrone you ASAP. You act like you know so much yet you can't even participate in the simplest of debates w/o talking in circles...
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I don't honestly need to debate, I am here to help, so if you have something that is of worth that other people would benefit from, let me know. All the masses already know I'm a newbie, I've never claimed anything else. I have never claimed to know much at all, sorry if I gave you this impression. I think the circles you may be referring to is the part where I A) said I could not prove my point B) asked you to back up your point with studies or proof.

lifted said:
Neo brought it to the table, I didn't. So I questioned him and asked for proof. He couldn't put up so he LOST! Get it? got it? GOOOOOD! :D
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It's true, I am, was, and will continue to gather information and help people if I can. It is true also I could not prove this point by study or any other means. It is also true you have contributed nothing to this thread other than a "oh yeah prove it" and "nah nah nah nah nah" point of view. Good job.

Now how about you get out there and help some other newbs instead of wasting both my time and yours in this petty 'debate' of yours :D

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
It looks like you may need to 'debate' the studies and proof Mashed provided you there....have fun :cheers:
 
neoborn said:
Man when I do legs / deads the day after my libido is crazy.

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:toofunny: I used to be like that all day long without anything :(

Much Love,

Neoborn
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Luckily for me, im a teenager and
all i think about is JO, and screwing every chick i see on the train
on my ride to school :lol:
 
you should be thinking that at any age. **** when I am walking about I see a nice chick and go dam I wanna nail that
 
Enough with the damn squats and deads and whatever else is not pertinent here!!! This thread is named--Seeking OTC testosterone increases guidance. Squats and deads are not OTC. Well, maybe they really are but the point is I think he was talking mostly about supps here. And I would suggest the nettle root extract(activaTe) and some transdermal 6-oxo as this works better than anything I've used so far!!!
 
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