pudzian2
Banned
yea I'm looking forward to it. thanks again
PUdz's Gotta get the job DonE cycle!
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yea I'm looking forward to it. thanks again
datBtrue
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May have similiar results... likely not BUT you won't need to worry about heart health.
Antonek
Member
yep, sorry, my mistake, he MAY have similliar results
and could U please explain this: you won't need to worry about heart health ?? with alb+eca ?? all of em affect on heart
datBtrue
Well-known member
Clen may effect the heart. Forget the science and take a long trip around the 40+ forums devoted to bodybuilding searching specifically for users of clen and heart palpitations & abnormal heartbeats occuring well AFTER the user has ceased using.
What you will find will be at least a dozen to twenty or so who have these problems, months, even a year after a clen cycle. Some doses were very low and the cycle length very short.
The vast majority of users on the forums do not post that they have had these sorts of problems, but I have seen enough to know that some do.
So yes of course you should ALWAYS be worried about heart health no matter what you do be it an ECA stack or whatever. Some compounds however merit more concern than others. For instance phera-plex may thicken one side of the heart lining...probably reversible...cabergoline has been shown to bring on leaky heart valves...
Anyway Clen just happens to be one of those compounds that merits a high level of concern when it comes to heart health.
pudzian2
Banned
yea...this is the reason I would prefer to avoid clen. Even if it takes a little bit longer with alb +eca, I think the only factor that would prevent me from achieving a solid result is diet. And I am firmly 100% focussed on my diet. That and Test+Tren+(bold or deca) and I'm sure the fat loss will come.
pudzian2
Banned
okay i've been doing some planning here and I've come up with a few ideas. I am very attracted to primobolan. Not so much attracted to it's price though. i MAY incorporate it into my cycle like this:
weeks 1-(6/8): 750-1g test prop / week
weeks 1-(9/10): 75mg Tren Ace ED
weeks (6/8)-12: primobolan 500mg/week
weeks (6/8)-10: 350mg test prop / week
I may be able to do without the primo and save myself some money, but it sure makes the cycle that much better. Primo is definitely favored to end a cycle with becuase of its anabolic to inhibition ratio.
the other option which will be a tad more expensive will be to do this with the test/primo combo:
weeks 1-(8/10): test prop 500mg / week
weeks 1-12: primo 300-500mg / week
**keep in mind the goal here is leaning out into a show. I will be dieting down slowly to about 10% (not too far from there now...) before starting this cycle. THis cycle is designed to take me into a show so its essentially pre contest. ( i will probably use a little ECA, DCP, etc etc but i just want to talk about the hormonal compounds for now.)
^ that is why i thought using primo and test the whole time. it would help me use less test, have a safer run (less dht and estro conversion with less test) and reduce bloating etc while still having plenty of anabolics doing their job.
$$$$ is a concern. I mean it will be my second injectable cycle, and I do not know if it is worth it at this point to invest in primo. I think I can still get results with less gear and sticking to test etc. any thoughts?
weeks 1-(6/8): 750-1g test prop / week
weeks 1-(9/10): 75mg Tren Ace ED
weeks (6/8)-12: primobolan 500mg/week
weeks (6/8)-10: 350mg test prop / week
I may be able to do without the primo and save myself some money, but it sure makes the cycle that much better. Primo is definitely favored to end a cycle with becuase of its anabolic to inhibition ratio.
the other option which will be a tad more expensive will be to do this with the test/primo combo:
weeks 1-(8/10): test prop 500mg / week
weeks 1-12: primo 300-500mg / week
**keep in mind the goal here is leaning out into a show. I will be dieting down slowly to about 10% (not too far from there now...) before starting this cycle. THis cycle is designed to take me into a show so its essentially pre contest. ( i will probably use a little ECA, DCP, etc etc but i just want to talk about the hormonal compounds for now.)
^ that is why i thought using primo and test the whole time. it would help me use less test, have a safer run (less dht and estro conversion with less test) and reduce bloating etc while still having plenty of anabolics doing their job.
$$$$ is a concern. I mean it will be my second injectable cycle, and I do not know if it is worth it at this point to invest in primo. I think I can still get results with less gear and sticking to test etc. any thoughts?