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Does any fat burner work with out Cardio

daleden

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Question, I'm just coming off a stack, in the beginning of my PCT, I'm not starting my lean down til March, no Cardio no dieting,
Is there a supplement or fat burner i can used that will help keep down the new coming bodyfat and maybe burn some bf% with only my workout being my source of heating up my body? I'm 210, 15% and hope to gain another 5-10 pounds by march before i start my dieting and cardio. I dont really eat bad, but dont want to watch what i eat, just need to see if that is possible? The stack was M1t, i only gain a half % bf during my stack. Any suggestion would be very appreciated.
 
Look into DCP by RPN, Sesamin, green tea and forskolin.

AP & P-Slin are also great at putting your carbs into your muscle bellies instead of your bellies belly. :)
 
bpmartyr said:
Look into DCP by RPN, Sesamin, green tea and forskolin.

AP & P-Slin are also great at putting your carbs into your muscle bellies instead of your bellies belly. :)
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are they stack together, or is the DCP containing all the above?
 
daleden said:
are they stack together, or is the DCP containing all the above?
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Stack is fine, or mix & match. Just throwing out some supps that fit the description. DCP (Damage Control Protocol) is basically TTA, Raspberry Keytones and L-Carnitine.
 
dcp/leviathon stack at nutra is good stuff. I had a s hi tty diet one week and still lost weight.
 
I'd use the following stack:

Forskolin-fat loss and boosts T up which is sweet for post cycle therapy.FYI must betaken on an empty stomach or with FAT and fat only i.e.fish/flax/olive oil

bulk sesathin/sesamin

Scorch-has GTE,sulbutiamine analogue+more

salvia milt.-staves off fat loss,heavy player component in
DCP
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SyntheSIZE-directly increases nutrient partitioning as well accounting for strength maintainance during PCT,as much as possible sans the anabolic.

300mg alpha lipoic acid + large tablespoon apple cider vinegar with meals containing 50+ grams cho
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
Doesn't cardio usually help a little bit? I'm sure that it at least speeds up the fat burning process.
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Oh yeah, cardio majorly speeds it up, but I think he's not quite in a cutting phase, so he's just trying to minimize the bodyfat while he's in hyper caloric mode, so like a non-stim, non-thermo deal, like a Sesathin or DCP.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Oh yeah, cardio majorly speeds it up, but I think he's not quite in a cutting phase, so he's just trying to minimize the bodyfat while he's in hyper caloric mode, so like a non-stim, non-thermo deal, like a Sesathin or DCP.
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Ah, okay. I'm following now.

I'm running an Epistan cycle within a few weeks. I plan on stacking it with Anabolic Pump and maybe Dermacrine. I have quite the lineup of support supp's and PCT. I'm prepared. I'm looking to put on LBM, meanwhile burning body fat. I'll be taking ALRI Venom Lean Dreams at night, before bedtime, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I could really do. I could always include Primaforce's Sesamin and/or Max CLA, but I don't wanna overdo it.
 
I am also gonna somewhat be following Scivation's Mass Diet Plan. I'm actually outlining it right now, so I know the 'do's and 'don't's, and what I need to purchase the next time that I go grocery shopping.

With the cycle that I have planned and being able to go to the gym 5 days out of the week, with the Mass Diet Plan included, I should be able to see some pretty impressive results in no time.
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
Ah, okay. I'm following now.

I'm running an Epistan cycle within a few weeks. I plan on stacking it with Anabolic Pump and maybe Dermacrine. I have quite the lineup of support supp's and post cycle therapy. I'm prepared. I'm looking to put on LBM, meanwhile burning body fat. I'll be taking ALRI Venom Lean Dreams at night, before bedtime, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I could really do. I could always include Primaforce's Sesamin and/or Max CLA, but I don't wanna overdo it.
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A supp like Sesamin won't be overdoing it. I don't even count my oils as part of my "stack" per se. Sesathin, Sesamin, Fish Oil. I'd consider them more as an advanced food category then a supp.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Oh yeah, cardio majorly speeds it up, but I think he's not quite in a cutting phase, so he's just trying to minimize the bodyfat while he's in hyper caloric mode, so like a non-stim, non-thermo deal, like a Sesathin or DCP.
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thanks you hit that right on the dot, when i do cardio, and diet, i 99% of the time reach my goal, but to play with it from a differt angle i wanted to see if something different would work, in my workouts, i usually superset most movements after my core movements to speed up my metabolism,
 
VolcomX311 said:
You have a grasp of which supps to look into Daleden?
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NO. from the replies, i see the DCP, and the fish oils, but i would surly take a detail item list and order it today or 2morrow, i'm new to this supplement world, i figure being 40 and getting stuck at 190 and 405 bench, it was time to try something outside of just working out, i'll take the advice
 
bpmartyr said:
Stack is fine, or mix & match. Just throwing out some supps that fit the description. DCP (Damage Control Protocol) is basically TTA, Raspberry Keytones and L-Carnitine.
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Can i get another recommendation, i checked a couple sites, DCP is out of stock
 
Heres all the ingredients to make your own, lol. DCP is supposed to be back in stock soon. Batch currently in production.

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man i love fatburners that help you loose weight even when you eat horrible
like one week I ate 2 large pizzas, 3 burgers, and a couple large french fries from both dominos and arby's
man..
i still LOST weight + bodyfat! crazy haha
 
VolcomX311 said:
A supp like Sesamin won't be overdoing it. I don't even count my oils as part of my "stack" per se. Sesathin, Sesamin, Fish Oil. I'd consider them more as an advanced food category then a supp.
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Supporting increased fat burning is always nice while putting on mass. You can kill two birds with one stone.
 
No one said this yet, but there has been some expirements with cissus and weight loss. Apparently the subjects did not alter their diets and the cissus group lost a ton more weight then the placebo group, this was in obese people though. Green tea works well too. Also is there a cortisol blocker in your pct?
 
hardestgainer said:
No one said this yet, but there has been some expirements with cissus and weight loss. Apparently the subjects did not alter their diets and the cissus group lost a ton more weight then the placebo group, this was in obese people though. Green tea works well too. Also is there a cortisol blocker in your post cycle therapy?
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The only study I know of is actually for the product Cylaris. While it does contain cissus, it also contains the proven fat loss aids GTE and caffeine.

Also the study was done in cameroon for some reason.


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The use of a Cissus quadrangularis formulation in the management of weight loss and metabolic syndrome


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Results
At the end of the trial period, statistically significant net reductions in weight and central obesity, as well as in fasting blood glucose, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and C-reactive protein were observed in participants who received the formulation, regardless of diet.
Materials

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The Cissus quadrangularis formula, Cylaris™, contains a Cissus quadrangularis extract (supplied by Gateway Health Alliances, Inc, Fairfield, California, USA), standardized to contain a minimum of 2.5% phytosterols and a minimum of 15% soluble plant fiber. The formula also consists of a soy albumin extract (supplied by Gateway Health Alliances, Inc, Fairfield, California, USA); a green tea extract standardized to 22% EGCG and 40% caffeine; niacin bound chromium (ChromeMate™ supplied by InterHealth Nutraceuticals, Inc, Benicia, California, USA); selenium standardized to 0.5% l-Selenomethionine; vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine hydrochloride); vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin); and folic acid (supplied by Protein Research, Inc, Livermore, California, USA). All active and placebo capsules were manufactured and bottled by Protein Research, Inc.

Participants received two daily doses (514 mg each) of the Cissus formulation or placebo for 8 weeks. Each capsule was taken with 8–12 oz of water immediately prior to meals (preferably breakfast and dinner). In keeping with the experimental design, the capsules were identical in shape, color and appearance, and neither the participants nor researchers knew which capsule was administered. Side effects were noted on each visit.
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hardestgainer said:
No one said this yet, but there has been some expirements with cissus and weight loss. Apparently the subjects did not alter their diets and the cissus group lost a ton more weight then the placebo group, this was in obese people though. Green tea works well too. Also is there a cortisol blocker in your post cycle therapy?
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I'll look in to that, the cortisol blocker, i'll get back with you on that, thanks
 
Regarding Salvia Miltiorrhiza (Invalid Link Removed), since NP is out of the bulk powder, would I get similar effects by using something like Invalid Link Removed?

I have SNS-TTA 500, but after reading that Salvia Miltiorrhiza helps prevent re-deposit of fat from TTA, I figured I should look for it and so far this is what I've found.

Anyone?
 
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