richirich_99's first cycle log

pistonpump said:
i dont like ATD but you should keep the dose low. they are 25mg caps correct? i would say one before bed. If that doesnt do it then one before and one after sleep.
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yeah there 25mg caps. I'll try just one before bed and see how that works. if not i'll try one before bed, and one when i get up. I'll start that tonight when i go to bed. Thanks bro!
 
Today i pinned 1cc of sust, and still taking the PP at 30mg/day for about another week. I went to the gym and did chest/bi's. Had an intense workout, with skin streching pump. I have been feeling vascular and pumped all day long, and still have a crazy good sex drive. I forgot to weigh myself this morning after i pinned, but will post weight update tomorrow morning when i get up. Been getting told a lot lately that i look bigger, which is always good to hear and good for the ego...lol. interested to see how the gains keep coming after i stop taking the PP. Tonight im starting to run 25mg/day of ATD (SNS inhibit-e) for my AI to stop some of the bloat. Other than that, not real sides....my joints are starting to hurt more and more when i workout, but thats part of living this lifestyle.
 
the atd will probably hurt your joints even more....

Everyone is different but i personally dont mind the bloat as i know it will go away later....If you believe its from PP then i would just wait until you stop to see if the bloat goes away, if it doesnt on its own then its the sust and then i would start taking the atd. that would be me at least.
 
pistonpump said:
the atd will probably hurt your joints even more....

Everyone is different but i personally dont mind the bloat as i know it will go away later....If you believe its from PP then i would just wait until you stop to see if the bloat goes away, if it doesnt on its own then its the sust and then i would start taking the atd. that would be me at least.
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I think im going to do that i didnt take the ATD lastnight, and just figured i would see. I dont have much longer on the PP so hopefully thats whats causing the bloat and it will go away. Im just about to head to the gym so i'll update everyone when i get home with weight and workout and all that good stuff. Thanks for all the help so far!
 
Today i worked back. I had a great back workout...not as intense as it could of been, but we feeling a lil lethargic. But felt strong during the workout. Joints didnt hurt too bad today either. Weighed myself this morning im up about 19lbs, which is some bloat for sure. Hoping the bloat goes down when i quit running the PP. Didnt do abs yet today, but about to do them at work between clients (work as a personal trainer). I'll continue to keep everyone updated daily. thanks again!
 
19lbs! i wish i could make that much weight in a cycle, still amazes me how many guys are making huge gains lately...like 15lbs+.
 
pistonpump said:
19lbs! i wish i could make that much weight in a cycle, still amazes me how many guys are making huge gains lately...like 15lbs+.
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i honestly really surprised too! I think it will slow quite a bit after i stop the PP, but the sust should be starting to kick in good when i finish the PP.
 
Hank Vangut said:
what is the response to your quick 19lb gain? surely everyone must notice.
how are you clothes fitting?
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I just tell people that im on this new supplement, and most people dont know any better and dont ask anything else. All my clothes are getting tight, and my jeans are getting harder to get over my legs and ass. Im also now feeling some of the bloat too, so that adds to some of the weight. but that should go down a lil when i end the PP.
 
Hank Vangut said:
what is the response to your quick 19lb gain? surely everyone must notice.
how are you clothes fitting?
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no one said anything wheni gained 20lbs. not everyone looks diff

i dont believe anyone when this comment is said

"omg dude i gained 20lbs from whateverdrol and everyones like dude your hugeee omg"

thats bs if you ask me lol... just sharing my thoughts !!! keep it up richie
 
nycste said:
no one said anything wheni gained 20lbs. not everyone looks diff

i dont believe anyone when this comment is said

"omg dude i gained 20lbs from whateverdrol and everyones like dude your hugeee omg"

thats bs if you ask me lol... just sharing my thoughts !!! keep it up richie
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Thanks bro. Some people notice, others dont. some people i just tell that im eating like a horse and lifting hard.
 
Today i changed my off days so that im doing a 2 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off instead of 3 on 1 off, 2 on 1 off. Tomorrow im getting up to go do legs. Today was a day of rest and eating. Starting to find it hard to eat...but trying to find something to help increase my appetite...any help? Feeling good on cycle, gains are slowing, but i expected that to happen. I havent felt nearly as pumped all day the last two days as i did before. dont know why??? I'll report back tomorrow after i get home from the gym.
 
richirich_99 said:
Today i changed my off days so that im doing a 2 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off instead of 3 on 1 off, 2 on 1 off. Tomorrow im getting up to go do legs. Today was a day of rest and eating. Starting to find it hard to eat...but trying to find something to help increase my appetite...any help? Feeling good on cycle, gains are slowing, but i expected that to happen. I havent felt nearly as pumped all day the last two days as i did before. dont know why??? I'll report back tomorrow after i get home from the gym.
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sounds exactly like me right now. hard to eat. just gotta force it down and pray it stays down lol
 
Today was Thanksgiving, but i went to the gym and blasted legs this morning. I had a great leg workout, felt really strong, weights went up on everything, especially squats. My legs feel really full and pumped still, and the rest of my body is still pumped and vascular. I also injected 1cc of sust today, and still taking 30mg/day of PP. Really feeling some of the bloat, but im just dealing with it til i come off the PP and see if some of it goes away. No real bad sides, hope it stays this way. acne on my back and shoulders, and oily skin, puffy nipples, but no gyno, just tender a lil. these will probably subside some after the PP. I ate like a horse today at Thanksgiving, tons of turkey, but still enjoyed a lil pumpkin pie too! I'll report more tomorrow night after i get off work and get home from the gym.
 
I didnt get a chance to get on yesterday to update, so im doing it this morning before i go to work. Yesterday i hit shoulders and triceps. Still having skin stretching pumps, but shoulders were feeling a lil sore, all my joints kinda ache. Might start running Nolva at 10mg/day because my nipples are starting to get pretty puffy. Theres no lumps or anything, just puffy.....is this something i should worry about or since there are no lumps is it ok? Yesterday i felt pumped all day long, can tell my legs are getting bigger, my inner quads rub together now...lol! Today im going to hit a quick trap and ab workout when i get off work.
 
Saturday i went to the gym and did abs and traps. Had a good hard quick intense workout. My abs were sore sunday and today. I got up this morning and pinned 1cc of sust and this will be the last week of the PP. ending it on friday. I weighted in this morning and im up 21 lbs from when is started my cycle. The gains are much slower, but thats fine with me. No real bad sides, just a lil puffy in the nipples, acne, and back pumps with aches and pains in my joints. Should be switching to Test E either next week or the following. Still feeling a lil bloat, but not too bad... still eating clean and like a horse. Thanks for following. I'll update later after my workout today.
 
Today i went to the gym in the morning cuz i didnt have to work. I had a great back workout and did some quick abs. People are starting to tell that im putting on size, i;ve had a few people as me lately if im getting bigger. Still taking 30mg/day of PP, but ending soon, gains are slowing, but other than that not too bad of sides. Puffy nipples that come and go, sometimes its worst than other times. and braking out with a lil acne but nothing unbearable. still have a great libido. abs are starting to show a lil more as well even tho i am dealing with the bloat.
 
As of monday this week, i started pinning the sust EOD because my test e finally got here, i have enough sust for one more pinning on friday, then back to mon/thur pinning with the test e. Decided to finish running the PP, yesterday was the first day off the PP. Feeling pretty good, looking forward to starting the test e. No real sides, just puffy nipples which i think are going to start going down now that im off the PP, if not i'll start running Nolva at 10mg/day at first to see if it helps, if not i'll up it to 20mg/day. Today was an off day at the gym, so im just resting and eating! tomorrow is legs, cant wait! i'll up date more tomorrow sometime.
 
your puffy nips could just be from added water or fat....just a thought. I guess we'll see, but i had puffy nips on Test E as well so i think its a combination of bulking and hormone chaos..
 
pistonpump said:
your puffy nips could just be from added water or fat....just a thought. I guess we'll see, but i had puffy nips on Test E as well so i think its a combination of bulking and hormone chaos..
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Alright, thats good to know. its gone down lately since i've stopped the PP. I think its just the water/hormones...i've put on very little fat...actually looks like my abs are showing more.
 
Yesterday i worked legs, had a good workout, strength is off the wall, loving it! Setting all time bests with lots of lifts. This morning i pinned another ~.66cc of sust, since this week i was pinning EOD so i just divided the normal dose by 3. Monday i start running Test E for the next 5 weeks to finish up! Acne has started to go away as well as the puffy nips, starting to think it was all just the PP that was causing the acne and sore puffy nips. also feel like i've lost some water weight when i came off the PP. Today is shoulders and tri's. cant wait, been thinking about my workout since last night! Thnks for following!
 
Hank Vangut said:
i've never used pp myself.
but it seems a lot of people complain about bloat and gyno from it.
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I always get a lil bloat, but this time was the first time my nips got that puffy while i was on it, the other times it was very little and i was the same stuff from SNS. I always like PP just because i seem to put more weight on with it, and get stronger and hold more muscle after pct with PP.
 
Havent updated anything in a few days, so here it is...Monday i switched over to test e at 500mg/week, pinned mon/thur. First shot wasnt bad, but just got stiff and a lil sore. Feel fine today, hardly feel it. After i pinned 1cc of test e (250mg) i weighed myself. I last a lil weight, but it some of the water weight from the PP. I was up about 24lbs from the start. felt good! Yesterday i trained Chest and Bi's and had a hard good workout, my strength is going thru the roof, every lift had gone up, and i;ve had a few people say i look bigger and looking good. So far, not too many sides. Nips are a lil sore but barely puffy, acne has cleared up a lil, and other than that no real sides. Still having to stuff food down, still dont have much of an appetite. Today im doing back and abs, i update again later. Thanks.
 
Wed. i took the day off from the gym and rested. Thursday was legs, had a killer leg workout, legs are starting to get sore today. Feeling great, strength has gone up and continues to go up on everything. I look like my abs are showing even more. I started running 20mg nolva/day today to help with the gyno, my nipples are still a lil puffy and starting to bother me, so im gonna try the nolva for a week or two and see how that helps the nips. Yesterday i pinned 1cc of test e, today i worked shoulders and tri's. Had a great workout again, intnese and focused in the gym, and feel like i can lift the world! i keep getting compliments on looking bigger, and even had a few cleints as if i was juicing....of course i told them no. I'll update again in a day or two.
 
So i havent updated in a few days, but sudnay was a rest day, and monday i hit chest and bi's. Had another skin stretching pumps. I pinned 1cc of Test E on monday morning, this time i swithced spots and tried a quad. Hurt a lil more, but could of just been me being tense. Leg was sore all day long yesterday, but woke up this morning and leg feels fine. Still running 20mg Nolva ed to help with the puffy nips, there not bad, already see it going away. Weighed in on monday morning in not gaining much weight now, but im also not as bloated as i was before. I was about 22lbs up from where i started the cycle at. I've started to up my kcals more to try to put on some more weight. I'll update again in a few days.
 
Today i pinned another 1cc of test e. Im not really feeling the test a whole lot since i came off the PP, the gains have slowed a lot, but there still coming very slow which is ok with me. I stopped taking the 20mg Nolva, my nips arent really puffy now, and i want to make the most out of this cycle and gain as much as possible. Today i trained legs, had a great leg workout, quads got so pumped, can tell my legs have put on some decent size. Didnt get to train calves because i was short on time, but i will get them saturday when i train traps and abs. Got one question.....starting to think about a cutting cycle next summer, still not sure what im going to run, but what you think about running Masteron, with proviron, and oral winny?
 
test prop
tren ace
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oral winny

i think masteron is kinda like an add on but not really something you would like to just add with the test for a cutter. Im no expert tho and i dont have experience with injects except test and eq...Some people dont take to tren well but start off slow i think it would do more for you than masteron. masteron can be used as an AI to an extent or to polish off thing when in precontest shape. If you arent low enough bf% then i dont think it would do as much as tren esp since they most likely run around the same price. jmo
 
Hell yeah man try tren before masteron it is alot better and will give you more gains than masteron. It is also alot better compound in my mind. imo But that is just me. I gained at least 10 pounds off of tren and lost alot of body fat at least 3% and madd weight on my sets. Masteron is more of serious bodybouilders drug for precontest to hold on to muscle mass you already have and to carve in some vascularity.imo
 
pistonpump said:
test prop
tren ace
prov
oral winny

i think masteron is kinda like an add on but not really something you would like to just add with the test for a cutter. Im no expert tho and i dont have experience with injects except test and eq...Some people dont take to tren well but start off slow i think it would do more for you than masteron. masteron can be used as an AI to an extent or to polish off thing when in precontest shape. If you arent low enough bf% then i dont think it would do as much as tren esp since they most likely run around the same price. jmo
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i'm lining up my summer cut too. i'm using test prop, tren ace, and was thinking about anavar or winny. what do you guys think on the oral?
 
sfearl1 said:
i'm lining up my summer cut too. i'm using test prop, tren ace, and was thinking about anavar or winny. what do you guys think on the oral?
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ive had some BD winny tabs just sitting for awhile in my underground blast shelter haha so i cant really comment on my likes of it yet. I know some people will say winny is the cheap man's var but im sure they produce different gains but you know winny will bring more sides such as hairloss and WD40-less joints. I was thinking of testp trenace to start n testp npp winny to end...some helios as well.
 
pistonpump said:
ive had some BD winny tabs just sitting for awhile in my underground blast shelter haha so i cant really comment on my likes of it yet. I know some people will say winny is the cheap man's var but im sure they produce different gains but you know winny will bring more sides such as hairloss and WD40-less joints. I was thinking of testp trenace to start n testp npp winny to end...some helios as well.
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I havent updated ina few days, havent been around the computer. I pinned 1cc of test e this morning, but forgot to check my weight on my scale, i'll do it in the morning. So far i dont feel any sides, puffy nips have gone away for the most part, still a lil puffy and tender, but that happens on every cycle I run. Only other side is some acne, but its gone away a lot since i ended the PP. Not feeling a whole lot from the test e, but just an overall good feeling, and strength is going up like crazy.



As for the summer cut that im planning, i think im now thinking something like sfear, test prop, tren, and oral winny...as for doses and all thats all still being worked out. would i want to add any proviron since im running the test to get rid of the excess water, and bloat?
 
proviron would be a good addition. Its good for any cycle really but im saving what i have left to use during a cutter. Thing is with tren and winny youll have really good strength gains but sh1tty joints rich could equal injury...thats why ill probably try to get some npp to be ran with the winny. I also heard its good to end a cycle with an anabolic, so npp would be good to go with the winny.
 
im not familiar with npp, what is it? wow so much to keep learning. that was the one thing i heard about winny that i didnt like was the joint pain. is the amount of joint pain different for oral and inject? I dont mind pinning EOD or ED if i have to, so thats not a problem.
 
The joint situation is probably the same i have done both and i personally didn't have alot of joint issues as long as i took my glucosamine + chondroitin
 
richirich_99 said:
im not familiar with npp, what is it? wow so much to keep learning. that was the one thing i heard about winny that i didnt like was the joint pain. is the amount of joint pain different for oral and inject? I dont mind pinning EOD or ED if i have to, so thats not a problem.
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i think he's referring to nandrolone phenyl propionate ... but i could be comppllllleeeeteely wrong lol
 
Awesome log man, I'm also thinking about doing a sust cycle for my first injectable cycle this winter. Hope you keep up the great results.
 
colindep said:
Awesome log man, I'm also thinking about doing a sust cycle for my first injectable cycle this winter. Hope you keep up the great results.
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Thanks bro! I really liked the sust, but i was also on the PP so that made everything good! lol. Good luck on your cycle man.
 
is the sust and test e from the same source or the same maker? that could be something or you have become accustomed to the test, maybe more is binding, idk.

yes i was referring to the shorter ester deca like sfear1 mentioned. Im in the belief that the bloat can be controlled.
 
pistonpump said:
is the sust and test e from the same source or the same maker? that could be something or you have become accustomed to the test, maybe more is binding, idk.

yes i was referring to the shorter ester deca like sfear1 mentioned. Im in the belief that the bloat can be controlled.
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Ok, yeah i once sfear1 said that i kinda thought it was deca. just never seen it appreviated like that. The sust was from a differnt source/maker...the sust was a vet. grade mexico lab stuff, the test e is from a completely different source and lab.

I know that the test is is legit gear...im thinking it was just the short esters in the sust that made me 'feel' it more, and i was also on the PP.
 
yeah im willing to bet most guys are dissappointed with straight testosterone the first time they run it. I know i was expecting more. I guess when youre used to the fast gains of orals it takes getting used to with injectable test.
 
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